On May 21 2016 02:18 SC2Toastie wrote:
The entire new page and approx. 99.8% of the 'comments'
The entire new page and approx. 99.8% of the 'comments'
I guess you don't really have to own what you say on Reddit so much.
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On May 21 2016 02:18 SC2Toastie wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2016 21:51 ThomasjServo wrote: On May 20 2016 16:30 SC2Toastie wrote: Why is Reddit so incredible stupid, hypocritical, and infuriatingly childish, yet it's the only large, active community for Heroes? How do we draw more attention to TL.net from the players who are reasonable?? What set you off? The entire new page and approx. 99.8% of the 'comments' I guess you don't really have to own what you say on Reddit so much. | ||
MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
On May 21 2016 03:09 ThomasjServo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2016 02:18 SC2Toastie wrote: On May 20 2016 21:51 ThomasjServo wrote: On May 20 2016 16:30 SC2Toastie wrote: Why is Reddit so incredible stupid, hypocritical, and infuriatingly childish, yet it's the only large, active community for Heroes? How do we draw more attention to TL.net from the players who are reasonable?? What set you off? The entire new page and approx. 99.8% of the 'comments' I guess you don't really have to own what you say on Reddit so much. Frankly, it's hard to make substantive posts which will be popular. So, we end up with a ton of posts which are effectively appeals to the masses. ("Dear god not another nova", "Don't rage at me just because I firstpick nova I know what I'm doing", "Please don't dive in first without team", "please just win the game when you can", "please [insert basic strategy advice that everyone knows but most people don't do 100% of the time]") | ||
Thetan
240 Posts
On May 21 2016 05:00 MotherFox wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2016 03:09 ThomasjServo wrote: On May 21 2016 02:18 SC2Toastie wrote: On May 20 2016 21:51 ThomasjServo wrote: On May 20 2016 16:30 SC2Toastie wrote: Why is Reddit so incredible stupid, hypocritical, and infuriatingly childish, yet it's the only large, active community for Heroes? How do we draw more attention to TL.net from the players who are reasonable?? What set you off? The entire new page and approx. 99.8% of the 'comments' I guess you don't really have to own what you say on Reddit so much. Frankly, it's hard to make substantive posts which will be popular. So, we end up with a ton of posts which are effectively appeals to the masses. ("Dear god not another nova", "Don't rage at me just because I firstpick nova I know what I'm doing", "Please don't dive in first without team", "please just win the game when you can", "please [insert basic strategy advice that everyone knows but most people don't do 100% of the time]") TBF, I'm not sure if those posts are crowding out more "substantive posts". It wouldn't surprise me if those threads fall within the scope of "today's top 25 most substantive posts". It's mostly just the lack of interesting/new content means there's never 25 things that are really worth talking about - so there's always going to be trash on the reddit frontpage. How do we draw more attention to TL.net from the players who are reasonable?? Also probably part of the issue here on TL as well. We need more things to talk about. The issue with being reasonable is at some point the conversation ends. | ||
Harris1st
Germany6145 Posts
On May 21 2016 05:34 Thetan wrote: Also probably part of the issue here on TL as well. We need more things to talk about. The issue with being reasonable is at some point the conversation ends. I'm fine with that | ||
jubil
United States2602 Posts
I enjoy playing Lt. Morales because it really tests your ability to position yourself while doing triage on your team - you (usually) have the mana and throughput to keep everybody up, but you have no AoE heal or HoT so you have to rely on the low beam CD to switch targets quickly and proactively enough to keep everyone up. Especially against a Li-Ming it really turns into a balancing act once everyone gets pretty low. I understand that most of the playerbase would probably prefer more Tyrande-style supports that can have good damage and playmaking with her stun, but I do hope they introduce solid throughput healers too. | ||
Beelzebub1
997 Posts
Chromie isn't OP, but it's just another hero that has a powerful snare and can nuke someone down from 100% HP to 50% HP amongst so many other heroes that can nuke you down. Xul? Nuke you down with a powerful root. Li Ming? Safe noob friendly nuking coming at you in force. Agree with the guy above me, this game needs more ways to keep people alive, more and interesting supports should be added. Brightwing is excellent in both design and utility, Supports should be modeled after that philosophy. Or at least add some damn tanks, Deheka is a secondary tank at best, more of a tanky ganker. | ||
karazax
United States3737 Posts
Zenyatta has exceptionally low health, with a shield that regenerates, a heal over time orb that can be placed on one target at a time and a damage booster like Tyrande to go with good attack damage and an ultimate that makes him invulnerable and does a Tranquility like aoe heal for several seconds. Mercy has a healing beam like the Medic, but can switch it to a damage boosting beam. She also has the ability to dash to allies sort of like Kharazim, and an AoE team res ultimate. Any of them could potentially be good HOTS supports with a bit of tweaking. | ||
ThomasjServo
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Hier
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Agree, supports could fix that problem. I suggested before you give supports more "dmg reduction" tools. For example, old diablo+tyrande combo with lets say thrall behind and some other dmg dealer, a support should imo be able to protect your squishy from going down if played properly/specced properly. | ||
Swisslink
2944 Posts
On May 21 2016 11:29 karazax wrote: Some of the Overwatch healers seem likely to make it in the game at some point. You have Lucio who can switch between aoe healing similar to Brightwing, and an aoe speed boost, a knock back and an aoe shield/over heal with his ultimate. Zenyatta has exceptionally low health, with a shield that regenerates, a heal over time orb that can be placed on one target at a time and a damage booster like Tyrande to go with good attack damage and an ultimate that makes him invulnerable and does a Tranquility like aoe heal for several seconds. Mercy has a healing beam like the Medic, but can switch it to a damage boosting beam. She also has the ability to dash to allies sort of like Kharazim, and an AoE team res ultimate. Any of them could potentially be good HOTS supports with a bit of tweaking. AoE rez (or a rez in general) would be totally broken in HotS and I really hope Mercy will never be introduced to HotS. Mercy could be an alternative skin for Morales, imo. If you cut her ult, she seems quite similar to what Morales does. | ||
FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Still annoyed they nerfed Lili super hard with removing herbal. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12914 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 21 2016 05:34 Thetan wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2016 05:00 MotherFox wrote: On May 21 2016 03:09 ThomasjServo wrote: On May 21 2016 02:18 SC2Toastie wrote: On May 20 2016 21:51 ThomasjServo wrote: On May 20 2016 16:30 SC2Toastie wrote: Why is Reddit so incredible stupid, hypocritical, and infuriatingly childish, yet it's the only large, active community for Heroes? How do we draw more attention to TL.net from the players who are reasonable?? What set you off? The entire new page and approx. 99.8% of the 'comments' I guess you don't really have to own what you say on Reddit so much. Frankly, it's hard to make substantive posts which will be popular. So, we end up with a ton of posts which are effectively appeals to the masses. ("Dear god not another nova", "Don't rage at me just because I firstpick nova I know what I'm doing", "Please don't dive in first without team", "please just win the game when you can", "please [insert basic strategy advice that everyone knows but most people don't do 100% of the time]") TBF, I'm not sure if those posts are crowding out more "substantive posts". It wouldn't surprise me if those threads fall within the scope of "today's top 25 most substantive posts". It's mostly just the lack of interesting/new content means there's never 25 things that are really worth talking about - so there's always going to be trash on the reddit frontpage. Also probably part of the issue here on TL as well. We need more things to talk about. The issue with being reasonable is at some point the conversation ends. The issue with reddit is entirely on the hivemind that is present there. I can point you to multiple users who literally never exceed the 5 word count on comments and downvote everything they see. The downvote system is excellent. In theory. In practice, it just enforces the hive mind thinking. It is impossible to have a reasonable discussion, because a discussion requires two different points of view. One is 'right', the other is 'wrong'. The sharks show up to downvote, and once you are at -1, they start shitposting. It makes no sense at all. Combine that with the extreme nitpicking (a 500 word post will be downvoted and invalidated because you made a comment about Murky not being a tank). Lastly, the extreme hypocrisy. People will always argue assuming the OP being a jerk and a toxic flamer. One cannot make criticism of plays, mechanics, or anything, really. Anything negative gets downvoted and trolled. My problem is with how Reddit apparantly is the main discussion area for Heroes, whilst it's a very hostile environment that does not encourage discussion, but rather encourages trolling and restating popular opinion again and again. And Murky/Abathur shitposts. Constantly. | ||
Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On May 21 2016 19:23 Swisslink wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2016 11:29 karazax wrote: Some of the Overwatch healers seem likely to make it in the game at some point. You have Lucio who can switch between aoe healing similar to Brightwing, and an aoe speed boost, a knock back and an aoe shield/over heal with his ultimate. Zenyatta has exceptionally low health, with a shield that regenerates, a heal over time orb that can be placed on one target at a time and a damage booster like Tyrande to go with good attack damage and an ultimate that makes him invulnerable and does a Tranquility like aoe heal for several seconds. Mercy has a healing beam like the Medic, but can switch it to a damage boosting beam. She also has the ability to dash to allies sort of like Kharazim, and an AoE team res ultimate. Any of them could potentially be good HOTS supports with a bit of tweaking. AoE rez (or a rez in general) would be totally broken in HotS and I really hope Mercy will never be introduced to HotS. Mercy could be an alternative skin for Morales, imo. If you cut her ult, she seems quite similar to what Morales does. The ult would take tweaking and changes, but I don't think Mercy is really that much like medic except for having a healing beam. She is much more mobile, and has the damage buff beam so I think the play style would be significantly different. Eventually most new supports are likely to have some similarity to an existing support in the way they heal. On May 21 2016 23:29 SC2Toastie wrote: What saddens me is how Medivh is a support hero through and through, yet is qualified as a Specialist because he has 'no healing'. It's probably for the best for quick match where both teams get one support. I doubt Medivh will be able to solo support. In draft modes being labeled support or specialist is just a label, doesn't prevent a team from using them how ever they want. | ||
FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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