How did most people build at first? What kind of strategies were considered "good" back then?
I'd like to know all the nuances of playing starcraft back then :D
Edit: opps, wrong forum, can you please move this to Broodwar?
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ArseniC-2
United States131 Posts
How did most people build at first? What kind of strategies were considered "good" back then? I'd like to know all the nuances of playing starcraft back then :D Edit: opps, wrong forum, can you please move this to Broodwar? | ||
jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
well, all sorts of strategies but a friend of mine whos never watched a sc vod or replay or anything like that went to a pc room with me and when i wanted to play with him as a terran he has like 2 rax, spreaded supplies, rines firebats and probally thats it... little scvs, lol i dont know there is no build order back then? | ||
Z3rgasm
Indonesia7 Posts
- Dominant maps at the very beginning are the hunters, and later some weird money-map callled monkey in the middle or something. The game was basically either a zealot vs zergling fest with some bunker push thrown in here and there, or capital ship rush. - The first battle.net final was between agent911 and everlast. I remember reading the report with my mouth gaping. This report opened my eye to the use of units called queens, defiler, and science vessel. - Most dominant ladder map was bridge over river styx. Dominant race was Z. Hatch before pool was almost unthinkable back then, and the only thing that non Z seems to do in ladder is make a hidden gate to the hidden area beside your base, and leave if the opponent discover it (as I remember the time that you can leave a game was much longer back then, something like 10min?). As for the Z itself, hydras are the mainstream unit back then, with soem ocassional muta lings. Then this player called Grrrr emerge from nowhere and starts to dominate the sc scene. I think he was also the first to publish a hatch before pool BO in xds site. Zileas also started to dominate at the same time with his reaver drop, which for a while become the standard strategy for P players everywhere. Wraiths and scout both have weaker air-to-air attack but much strong air-to-ground attack back then. Mass wraiths and mass scouts were both very common in team game. - All these development in non Z strategy was all for nothing as blizzard decided to change ladder maps to the nightmare that is "The Gauntlet" and other similar maps. Muta battles were basically considered to be the only strategy on these maps. I remember that at one point the top 20or so ladder players were all Z. Korea which up until this point in time was considered as the land of zvz, start to dominate around this time. Fortunately classic ladder maps like LT, styx and rivalry were introduced back not long after BW. - I don't remember too many things around the release of BW. As I recall, the top players during this period were Kali-oldschoolers (Pillars, Maynard, etc), grrr, zileas, soso, gadianton, and some time later Slayer. One thing I do remember though was the huge rant about TvP back then. DT, and the much better dragoons back then led many Terran players back to belive that the matchup was almost unwinnable. This inevitably led to the development of metal. As I recall the pioneer of metal was some player called busdriver or something in the foreign scene, and st.eagle in the korean scene. This development of metal by itself created one of the largest debate in the sc history between its avid followers and the top traditional terran players. | ||
nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
Icinerate vs Pfieff both of these guys use build orders similar to the ones used today, siege tank drops tvt and 2 port wraith etc. | ||
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Manit0u
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he prepared to employ the dreaded Siege Tank / Dropship combo Hahaha, reading this is pure pleasure | ||
The6357
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WGT)Dknight
United States114 Posts
Grrrr... had been banned for maphacking before. He wasn't that dominating until about 1999-2000. The first finals (beta ladder) was between Agent911 (R) and Zelias (P). I think Agent won it 4-3..not sure but I know it was 7 games The first official finals was D22-Soso (R) vs ChrisLow (R). Soso won it 3-2 Season 2: LarryTheFeared (Z) 3 [5th]Fire (P) 0 Soso was incredible, one of the best gamers ever. :+:jolly:+: was amazing too, as was PH-Jester, PH-Pillars, TillerMan played BW (plays for 4KingsIntel now on W3). sVEN, nTT, and then the Quebec players (X'Ds~ team of Grrrr..., Smashe, Fire, and Killa) | ||
starofNC
United States1340 Posts
He later got sponsored by logitech gaming mouse and got significantly more money out of that then he did from the PGL prize. All from a humble beginning in a disconnect game on b.net funny huh? | ||
Liquid`Jinro
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On September 02 2005 09:19 WGT)Dknight wrote: Z3rgasm, you're wrong on some points Grrrr... had been banned for maphacking before. He wasn't that dominating until about 1999-2000. The first finals (beta ladder) was between Agent911 (R) and Zelias (P). I think Agent won it 4-3..not sure but I know it was 7 games The first official finals was D22-Soso (R) vs ChrisLow (R). Soso won it 3-2 Season 2: LarryTheFeared (Z) 3 [5th]Fire (P) 0 Soso was incredible, one of the best gamers ever. :+:jolly:+: was amazing too, as was PH-Jester, PH-Pillars, TillerMan played BW (plays for 4KingsIntel now on W3). sVEN, nTT, and then the Quebec players (X'Ds~ team of Grrrr..., Smashe, Fire, and Killa) Zileas won 3-2 | ||
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uhjoo
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2 gate/3 gate zealot (not refined with probe resting i.e. "hardcore") was standard, 1 gate play was rare until grrr... popularized it z was race of choice b/c both hydra only and muta only were so viable. people did NOT know how to use lings back then-- they were used mostly to scout and as throwaway units. actually i think even ling muta was pretty rare ~_~ for some reason i think of crazyjim~lizard as a gosu oldschool zerg user... anyone remember him? macro was so much less developed-- for example in tvp people just did NOT make more than 3 or 4 factories off of two bases | ||
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On September 02 2005 10:52 Echo wrote: One thing that stands out in my mind was that Agent911 was considered a "genius" for using vultures to place mines to block expansions Its also funny to see how ridiculously bad the scores are. hey, i thought of and strated using it before i ever saw anyone do it!! i'm a starcraft "genious"!! :D | ||
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uhjoo
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On September 02 2005 13:03 Suicide wrote: Didn't soso win his ladder as a tribute to some korean girl :D Thats oldschool sc power right there. i'm pretty sure it was the girl "eugene" from the korean group s.e.s. although he was chinese-american ^o^ edit: link to s.e.s. homepage, eugene is the one in the middle ^^ http://www.smtown.com/smtown/ses/friend/index.html | ||
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Bard
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The link has been posted here before but I can't find it. (More like.. I am too lazy to find it ><) | ||
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I remember some really old stuff, people going bio-mech against toss, getting owned by storm. :D Thank god st. eagle (if i remember correctly) introduced the great metal strategies. | ||
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PanoRaMa
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Soso (Wayne Chiang) with Eugene. anyone know if soso still doing his art thing at UCSD? I haven't spoken to him in a while, i know he got pretty big into poker. | ||
pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
On September 02 2005 15:42 Bard wrote: There a Korean guy who posted Brood War history something. He talks about early final series (pre-Boxer era) and gamers as well as late ones. The link has been posted here before but I can't find it. (More like.. I am too lazy to find it ><) I remember that link, too There was also this with the history of Terran: http://www.pgr21.com/zboard4/view.php?id=recommend&no=209 I can't find the other though T_T | ||
Xeroth
United States432 Posts
I remember when he was in 2L with testie and chojja, and he played that pvt vrs nick where testie went pure vult vrs him, and then he played an hour long game v tsu that was almost a draw. Anyone know what happened to him? He was one of my favorite players. Other gamers I wonder where went: Saft, mcnasty, ntt. | ||
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starofNC
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I used to be friends with D23-Gad and D22-Soso, that picture brings a tear to my eye T . T lol im pretty sure Soso would have graduated by now if he was at ucsd... hes likely pushing 27 or 28 years old (maybe even a little older). I know the reason Gadianton retired was that he got engaged. He was also very busy as one of the programmers at Casy's ladder website (which is still his main job afaik). someone mentioned crazyjim~lizard earlier, yes, he was a true gosu. Another great player from the fog of history that nobody seems to mention here but immidiately came to mind was Tsunami. | ||
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PanoRaMa
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On September 02 2005 18:38 starofNC wrote: im pretty sure Soso would have graduated by now if he was at ucsd... hes likely pushing 27 or 28 years old (maybe even a little older). hmm i would say 25 or 26 by now. I know he was at UCSD the last time i saw him, which was like 1.5 years ago, and he was like 24 or so at the time (tho i could always be wrong) | ||
StorM_Liquid
Canada98 Posts
He used used the nick ___Debasser___ He was good. A very nice guy and I played my first BW games with him, he kinda just gave me a few tips then we went back to AoC. | ||
PuertoRican
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i remember when people, including myself were like "so more probes mining minerals is better? isnt that a waste of minerals?" | ||
FrEaK[S.sIR]
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Beta was late 97 | ||
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On September 02 2005 18:22 ComicBookArtist wrote: Let us not forget ChanmanX, who had a very impressive record. HAHA chanmanx is a legend! who was the other guy? the one on vanilla starcraft that had thousands and thousands of games was it JimKeeley ? | ||
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Spegel
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On September 03 2005 02:38 travis wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2005 18:22 ComicBookArtist wrote: Let us not forget ChanmanX, who had a very impressive record. HAHA chanmanx is a legend! who was the other guy? the one on vanilla starcraft that had thousands and thousands of games was it JimKeeley ? TheWorkHorse and Engival had similar records, those was crazy like 11453-5-0. no way those could be real. | ||
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All I can find in patches is that it's buildtime was once as zealots'... | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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chanmanx record was "legit" and by that I mean he played bgh vs newbies while maphacking also frozenarbiter you are wrong zileas won 4-3 vs agent zileas won the first 3 then agent won 3 then zileas won the last | ||
Z3rgasm
Indonesia7 Posts
On September 03 2005 06:36 LastWish wrote: I'm just curious what is the "much better dragoons"? All I can find in patches is that it's buildtime was once as zealots'... I'm pretty sure that BW's goon range upgrade is much stronger than it was in vanilla. And yes the build time were also much faster when bw was first released. Edit : Patch 1.04 (basically, the change that bw introduced) Dragoon: - Decreased cost to 125 minerals, 50 gas. - Decreased build time. - Increased range upgrade (Singularity Charge) by 1. The build time was increased back by 1.08 | ||
Luhh
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50% faster larvae spawn rate. hatchery only cost 50 more spawning pool 150 Hence it actually made a LOT of sense not to slap down the extra hatchery as early as now. you could still pump decently from 1 hatch, and the faster tech really hurt a protoss for instance since archons was extremely sluggish and had low acceleration when moving, and cannons did explosive damage. Only 10 against mutas that is :O. But generally, people built far too few hatcheries, gateways, factories etc. But also remember that factories were like 250/150 or something... | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On September 03 2005 07:19 Liquid`Drone wrote: engival was one of the first winbotters I think chanmanx record was "legit" and by that I mean he played bgh vs newbies while maphacking also frozenarbiter you are wrong zileas won 4-3 vs agent zileas won the first 3 then agent won 3 then zileas won the last T_T! That was a typo! I even checked the score before writing since I was sure zileas won ;D | ||
RiSE
United States3182 Posts
On September 02 2005 17:59 Xeroth wrote: Also, where did Spunky, slayer, and corbalt(He used to be considered very good protoss) go. Corbalt is very active on east ;o | ||
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On September 03 2005 08:34 Luhh wrote: But generally, people built far too few hatcheries, gateways, factories etc. But also remember that factories were like 250/150 or something... i dont remember that | ||
Xeroth
United States432 Posts
I remember hearing something abotu someone using a namespoof on testies name or something, which explained why there was no instance of him hacking since 1.07, then all of a sudden 1 game in 1.09 where it shows him hacking, and then no instance of him hacking since. Also "Testie"(dunno if it was him or not) did some cheese bunker shit, and Eri went fast cars, and hten testie just pumped like 5 rax of marines, and made no medics. So it could have been on vanilla SC. Thats all I remember about it. Oh, and OB1 and OB2 were in the game. | ||
PuertoRican
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On September 03 2005 01:13 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Except it came out in early 98 >.< Beta was late 97 yes, im aware when i started playing, thanks for pointing it out. it helps since it was as late birthday present and my b-day is 8/23/1982 Platform: PC Publisher: Vivendi Universal Games Developer: Blizzard Entertainment Genre: RTS (Real-Time Strategy) Release Date: 1997 guess my video wont work. | ||
FrEaK[S.sIR]
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On September 03 2005 11:32 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2005 01:13 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Except it came out in early 98 >.< Beta was late 97 yes, im aware when i started playing, thanks for pointing it out. it helps since it was as late birthday present and my b-day is 8/23/1982 Platform: PC Publisher: Vivendi Universal Games Developer: Blizzard Entertainment Genre: RTS (Real-Time Strategy) Release Date: 1997 guess my video wont work. Look harder. It wasn't released in 1997, the copyright and release date posted by blizzard has been wrong for years. Not that I expect you to actually look for it. EDIT: Specifically, it was released March 30 1998. How you could have owned the game in 1997 when the beta signups started on January 5th is beyond me.. and it would appear I messed up the beta date. Either way, check up your facts. | ||
T______T
United States538 Posts
http://pc.ign.com/objects/002/002159.html gamespot says it was released in 98 (april 1) http://www.gamespot.com/finder/findgames.html | ||
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BroOd
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On September 03 2005 07:19 Liquid`Drone wrote: engival was one of the first winbotters I think chanmanx record was "legit" and by that I mean he played bgh vs newbies while maphacking also frozenarbiter you are wrong zileas won 4-3 vs agent zileas won the first 3 then agent won 3 then zileas won the last My memory is a bit shady, but as far as I recall, ChanmanX, Engival, ACSlater and Blackjack666 all had legit records, in the sense that they were actually IN every BGH 3v3 they won, and disc'd every loss. WinPimp and TheWorkHorse were the first big winbotters that I remember. | ||
Locked
United States4182 Posts
On September 02 2005 17:29 pubbanana wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2005 15:42 Bard wrote: There a Korean guy who posted Brood War history something. He talks about early final series (pre-Boxer era) and gamers as well as late ones. The link has been posted here before but I can't find it. (More like.. I am too lazy to find it ><) I remember that link, too There was also this with the history of Terran: http://www.pgr21.com/zboard4/view.php?id=recommend&no=209 I can't find the other though T_T is there an english translation for this? and i recall a link like that too but couldn't find it either -_- | ||
FrEaK[S.sIR]
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On September 03 2005 17:04 T______T wrote: ign says 97 (dec 1) http://pc.ign.com/objects/002/002159.html gamespot says it was released in 98 (april 1) http://www.gamespot.com/finder/findgames.html Any date before January 5th is quite impossible. Beta signups were January 5th. | ||
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StarCraft®, which released in March 1998 :-) | ||
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alpick67
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On September 03 2005 02:38 travis wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2005 18:22 ComicBookArtist wrote: Let us not forget ChanmanX, who had a very impressive record. HAHA chanmanx is a legend! who was the other guy? the one on vanilla starcraft that had thousands and thousands of games was it JimKeeley ? On September 03 2005 05:09 baelrog wrote: why were the many games so important was there no winbot or other hacks? On September 03 2005 05:48 travis wrote: nope, no winbots yet On September 03 2005 06:13 Spegel wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2005 02:38 travis wrote: On September 02 2005 18:22 ComicBookArtist wrote: Let us not forget ChanmanX, who had a very impressive record. HAHA chanmanx is a legend! who was the other guy? the one on vanilla starcraft that had thousands and thousands of games was it JimKeeley ? TheWorkHorse and Engival had similar records, those was crazy like 11453-5-0. no way those could be real. On September 03 2005 17:21 BroOd wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2005 07:19 Liquid`Drone wrote: engival was one of the first winbotters I think chanmanx record was "legit" and by that I mean he played bgh vs newbies while maphacking also frozenarbiter you are wrong zileas won 4-3 vs agent zileas won the first 3 then agent won 3 then zileas won the last My memory is a bit shady, but as far as I recall, ChanmanX, Engival, ACSlater and Blackjack666 all had legit records, in the sense that they were actually IN every BGH 3v3 they won, and disc'd every loss. WinPimp and TheWorkHorse were the first big winbotters that I remember. I know this is a very old thread but I have been playing since 98 (still play) and it feels like yesterday to me. Miss these times. Anyways this was one of the main sites that kept up with stats. Back before winbot and when the 28.8K modem was just being replaced by the 56K modem achieving this many games was bragging rights for whoever had them. Hope some of the people that used to play back when get a chance to look at this. The site is just over 14 years old http://www.angelfire.com/stars/Top50/Top50.htm | ||
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ProMeTheus112
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On December 08 2015 22:21 alpick67 wrote: LOL! I remember those too. I also remember in team games in melee if someone dropped the other person would be like, "ally up?". LOL! sometimes it was cool and other times, "Naaaah" People would literally beg to the ally. (tears) ahah yes ally up to get auto win :D lol | ||
kogeT
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On December 08 2015 22:21 alpick67 wrote: LOL! I remember those too. I also remember in team games in melee if someone dropped the other person would be like, "ally up?". LOL! sometimes it was cool and other times, "Naaaah" People would literally beg to the ally. (tears) There are still people like that around, for example Never)MVP( on iccup. Whenever he loses on his olimpic account he would beg you to leave and propose you free wins vs his other account hellkira | ||
ProMeTheus112
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On December 08 2015 22:32 kogeT wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2015 22:21 alpick67 wrote: LOL! I remember those too. I also remember in team games in melee if someone dropped the other person would be like, "ally up?". LOL! sometimes it was cool and other times, "Naaaah" People would literally beg to the ally. (tears) There are still people like that around, for example Never)MVP( on iccup. Whenever he loses on his olimpic account he would beg you to leave and propose you free wins vs his other account hellkira hahaha :D | ||
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Chef
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It's cool that even from the very beginning people thought about this game a lot. If you really want insight into 1999 level strategy, you can just read Tsunami's old guide. Literally people just figuring out rts and what it meant to have game understanding. Lots of stuff in that guide you'll even see a lot of people who've been playing 5 years just never got because they only learned how to copy very specific builds, rather than the theory behind them. http://web.archive.org/web/20030312104457/66.197.102.88/intro.html I think Physician's StarCraft site also has this hosted. Another name you haven't heard of in eight years. When I started seriously learning SC, I printed out his guide and read a bit before every game lol. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
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On September 03 2005 20:59 Mabus wrote: i remember when it came out and I had to go to like 10 different stores to find one that wasnt sold out. walked uphill the whole way I got it the first day it came out. Went to the biggest store that had PC games in the area, and lucked out... out of the 100 or whatever copies they ordered, I got the second to last one, a Protoss box (i.e. the coolest-looking one). They sold everything the first day. I also went to the local LAN gaming place (i.e. pay by the hour to play) a couple days after release, just to see what ppl thought of it. They were mad into it, literally every monitor had SC on it. There was this poor Total Annihilation fan who was walking the aisles, pretty much begging ppl for a game of TA... while sighing and rolling his eyes looking at all the Starcraft going on, mumbling out loud, "It's not that good, it's not that good..." Ppl had been into TA and Dark Reign and Red Alert there, but SC killed all that off... maybe even a little too efficiently/one-sidedly, variety is good. Level of play was pretty atrocious at first. Saw a 6 human players vs 2 cpus game... the humans lost. | ||
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BoX
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I'm pretty sure luckynewbie started making vods here recently. He's still a douche, but in the most endearing kind of way. Old school SC/BW to me is pretty much summed up as pulling whatever you can out of thin air and making it work, somehow. 'cause nothing was really written in stone, having no plan was still a relatively decent plan. | ||
juvenal
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1. I thought SCVs were far better fighters than marines, they kinda looked like battle robots of some sort, they even have more hp; 2. for some reason I thought the objective was to reveal the whole map, for about an hour I flew my CC around to scout parts of the map inaccessible from ground. Talk about strategies lol. | ||
[[Starlight]]
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Didn't play much WarCraft 2 multiplayer, did they somehow get the idea from that? | ||
HaFnium
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On December 09 2015 00:03 Chef wrote: Interesting bump. I like the idea of everything being set in stone in 2003 haha. It's cool that even from the very beginning people thought about this game a lot. If you really want insight into 1999 level strategy, you can just read Tsunami's old guide. Literally people just figuring out rts and what it meant to have game understanding. Lots of stuff in that guide you'll even see a lot of people who've been playing 5 years just never got because they only learned how to copy very specific builds, rather than the theory behind them. http://web.archive.org/web/20030312104457/66.197.102.88/intro.html I think Physician's StarCraft site also has this hosted. Another name you haven't heard of in eight years. When I started seriously learning SC, I printed out his guide and read a bit before every game lol. Where is Physician and where can I find his SC site? | ||
nanaoei
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he actually calls them peons. i do recall players rushing, and dcing a lot. you'd go and stalk someone's profile to size them up and then go beet red with jealousy because he's got a flawless record. the kicker was, his amount of disconnects were incredible, he'd always dodge, and make new accounts for actual games. oh, and people beggingfor ally, wins, ROFL... that was insanely funny in retrospect. it was like getting a pokemon card stolen. it was so sad. back when people pronounced it zee-lots and had their own nicknames for units. like probies, lords, lurks. makes me realize how much history TL.net actually has, just buried somewhere. i still remember lists of livereports (probably blogs) where people posted games with a short artsy description. lol. this usually happened a lot on replay sites. you know how much we worshipped korean players? they were like our messiah, and when replays were first getting leaked it was like porn for a teen gamer. if you really want a good look into early-ish BW, take a look at the WCG documentary featuring artosis, day9, tasteless, and a few others. also some earlier day9 dailies, if those ever got reuploaded from his blip.tv (now closed down) where he recounts some experiences. oh not to fucking mention those early spacesuits in the very first starcraft tournaments. that was pure gold and nostalgia. my friends and i (who no longer play games) used to go to a friend's house every weekend and huddle up to watch GOMTV intel classic. those TGSAMBO commericals are still stuck in my head, and i believe this was still when tasteless was casting solo. he lost his shit when iris laid spider mines in front of his base and floated a barracks over it to hide it. | ||
Ty2
United States1431 Posts
On December 09 2015 11:22 [[Starlight]] wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2005 20:59 Mabus wrote: i remember when it came out and I had to go to like 10 different stores to find one that wasnt sold out. walked uphill the whole way I got it the first day it came out. Went to the biggest store that had PC games in the area, and lucked out... out of the 100 or whatever copies they ordered, I got the second to last one, a Protoss box (i.e. the coolest-looking one). They sold everything the first day. I also went to the local LAN gaming place (i.e. pay by the hour to play) a couple days after release, just to see what ppl thought of it. They were mad into it, literally every monitor had SC on it. There was this poor Total Annihilation fan who was walking the aisles, pretty much begging ppl for a game of TA... while sighing and rolling his eyes looking at all the Starcraft going on, mumbling out loud, "It's not that good, it's not that good..." Ppl had been into TA and Dark Reign and Red Alert there, but SC killed all that off... maybe even a little too efficiently/one-sidedly, variety is good. Level of play was pretty atrocious at first. Saw a 6 human players vs 2 cpus game... the humans lost. I remember you telling this story awhile ago in another thread. | ||
[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On December 10 2015 01:38 Ty2 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 11:22 [[Starlight]] wrote: On September 03 2005 20:59 Mabus wrote: i remember when it came out and I had to go to like 10 different stores to find one that wasnt sold out. walked uphill the whole way I got it the first day it came out. Went to the biggest store that had PC games in the area, and lucked out... out of the 100 or whatever copies they ordered, I got the second to last one, a Protoss box (i.e. the coolest-looking one). They sold everything the first day. I also went to the local LAN gaming place (i.e. pay by the hour to play) a couple days after release, just to see what ppl thought of it. They were mad into it, literally every monitor had SC on it. There was this poor Total Annihilation fan who was walking the aisles, pretty much begging ppl for a game of TA... while sighing and rolling his eyes looking at all the Starcraft going on, mumbling out loud, "It's not that good, it's not that good..." Ppl had been into TA and Dark Reign and Red Alert there, but SC killed all that off... maybe even a little too efficiently/one-sidedly, variety is good. Level of play was pretty atrocious at first. Saw a 6 human players vs 2 cpus game... the humans lost. I remember you telling this story awhile ago in another thread. If I did, it was months ago. Glad it was so memorable. | ||
Rigodon666
Canada183 Posts
On December 09 2015 19:16 [[Starlight]] wrote: Very very early on, a lot of players thought turtling up was really smart/the way to go, for some reason. Didn't play much WarCraft 2 multiplayer, did they somehow get the idea from that? Possible. WC2 in multiplayer was pretty much about either 1)Lumber mill/tower rush no honor (Game should finish quickly) 2)Depending on your start location : 1 base farm wall, exit at ogre mage 2 bases farm wall, exit at ogre mage (like the 5-6 oclock spawn on GOW) 3)Some weird 1/2 rax pressure with cata/range (Pretty much all in, game should finish quickly) And well, from there (option 2), you were already in late game and if somehow you both survived the Blood lust festival, it was expansion time and map control and DK running around. So the flow was totally different than SC so it's possible some players carried that with them (1 base play with decent economy and units that can wreck a base quickly) But the farm walls were the shit, so it probably stuck in some players... I'm by no mean a pro at WC2 but I had my share on Heat.net and Bnet back in the days. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
Interesting stuff, always curious about those days. Thanks! | ||
D22sosoWayneChiang
3 Posts
Competition was exciting. Although back then, replays didn't exist. People(including myself) had to write things out in text form. Mod edit: YT link removed. Old school players now have jobs, big projects and families. -Wayne "D22-soso" Chiang | ||
slipknotnh
1 Post
On September 03 2005 07:19 Liquid`Drone wrote: engival was one of the first winbotters I think chanmanx record was "legit" and by that I mean he played bgh vs newbies while maphacking also frozenarbiter you are wrong zileas won 4-3 vs agent zileas won the first 3 then agent won 3 then zileas won the last Just told my kid a story about chanmanx , googled his name and led me to here so might as well tell a nostalgic story. Myself and a guy name Doom- were hanging around nohunters bored as usual and both decided to message chanmanx for some random reason , he was actually online and responded. We instantly invited him into nh and challenged him and his buddy to a 2v2 which they instantly shot down , so tipical nh stuff we started talking shit to these guys and I guess that sent them off and they agreed. Doom- and I wanted a low min map but of course chanmanx wanted bgh which was fine , both doom and I were above average BW players. We knew they probably were map hackers so we decided a rush was best to win here. If I remember correctly doom 6 pooled into Ling's , and I offensive cannoned , we did the perfectly with some lucky scouting we definitely were on our way to winning when low and behold the disconnect screen comes up for Doom-, he disconnected his lings stop killing and of course I had to bail from the o cannon to even have a chance to win but I couldn't do it and lose , FUCK Anyways that's my story doubt anyone will read this 😆 | ||
PuRpOs3
United States44 Posts
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Xeln4g4
Italy1195 Posts
On April 22 2024 00:16 PuRpOs3 wrote: Whats up, very old skool playaer here. looking to team up or practice with other old school or other returning players. iD is ArtofBrooklYn. I am from back 2000 (rigtht before replays were created) AkA NeT.BOY_PaTieNt. gO)PaTieNt. looking for semi-casual atm, GG. i am available for playing, i am old dude started in 1999...have been playing on and off for years...actually not playing but would enjoy a couple of games. Server you are in? | ||
PuRpOs3
United States44 Posts
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Xeln4g4
Italy1195 Posts
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Empyrean
16927 Posts
On April 22 2024 00:16 PuRpOs3 wrote: Whats up, very old skool playaer here. looking to team up or practice with other old school or other returning players. iD is ArtofBrooklYn. I am from back 2000 (rigtht before replays were created) AkA NeT.BOY_PaTieNt. gO)PaTieNt. looking for semi-casual atm, GG. Damn, some old school gamefaqs players were in gO from what I remember. Or at least Mel? | ||
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