On April 06 2006 05:18 Guybrush wrote:
Very nice read, thanks
Btw Boxer lost to Iris in his group in Shinhan.
Very nice read, thanks
Btw Boxer lost to Iris in his group in Shinhan.
Iris is terran...
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On April 06 2006 05:18 Guybrush wrote: Very nice read, thanks Btw Boxer lost to Iris in his group in Shinhan. Iris is terran... | ||
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one of the few long progaming threads I read entirely =] | ||
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About Sync : "But the bottom line is that he’s here, and with the 2006 Germany World Cup on the horizon, could this be Sync’s return?" haha :D | ||
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GW HonestTea. | ||
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On April 06 2006 12:13 STAYTHESAME wrote: is it true that Yellow never won a championship ? I remember he had a 3-2 victory against Boxer long time a go in a final. It wasn't an OSL final ?? Only thing Yellow wins is special events. | ||
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On April 06 2006 11:08 gulii wrote: This OSL seems to be one of the best in many years! GW HonestTea. Whaa, no Reeeeaaaach! | ||
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But the bottom line is that he’s here, and with the 2006 Germany World Cup on the horizon, could this be Sync’s return? I'll laugh my fucking ass off if this actually happens | ||
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BOXER !!! | ||
Mortality
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My problem comes in with the descriptions of Chojja and Yellow. Chojja and Yellow both date back to the era of the Suaron style (complete map control) Zerg. Back then, Zergs would mass expansion grab and then power off 39583657893465 bases.It was not uncommon (and before my harddrive broke and I lost everything I had many reps of this) for the Zerg to mine more than double the terran and even still sometimes lose (as the Terran would showcase amazing micro killing expansion and expansion after...). So really, to say that Chojja is the original macro Zerg is totally misleading. Actually in his day, he was known more as a micro Zerg. Mumyung, Side and City are much better candidates for the title of "original macro Zerg." Even today, he is the undisputed king of 1 base Zerg (you can see this in the game of Chojja vs Reach on Raid, 2 MSL's ago....his 1 base strength is also why his ZvZ stands as the best). Also, Yellow is not really the "original" micro Zerg. The oritginal micro Zergs were the "poor Zerg" players -- the guys who would play 1 hatch games or other similar strategies that would involve actually mining less than their opponents and still winning. The original poor Zergs would have to be the devil twins, JinNam and JinSu. You're article would be more complete and more accurate if you said this: -Chojja was the original control Zerg (more like a predecessor to GoRush). -Yellow was the original fast-hive pressure Zerg (more like a predecessor to July). | ||
HonestTea
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I think the problem was the use of the word "original." I guess I could have said something else, like "pinnacle" or "master." I still maintain that Yellow was the perfection of one-base low-econ (poor) Zergs at his time. This is what took him to the top and the lasting impression Yellow made on me was going toe-to-toe with Boxer, very often using one-base style. Chojja, again, is not really "original" but he did perfect a style of macro, in particular securing many bases, many resources, and turning them into Ultras and Lings. You're right, it's not like there wasn't Sauron Zergs before, but Chojja had a way of using his defense and preparing a quality group of troups based on substantial resources. Again, you make good points. It's clear you know your shit, and I know my shit. Mostly a matter of semantics. | ||
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