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bluzi
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BlackCompany
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Though when i look at the NaVi squad you should think they could hit shots | ||
BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
Another tournament another final loss Nothing to see here | ||
Kipsate
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Ragnarork
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Welp. VP with a strong showing here! | ||
Luolis
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 23 2016 14:44 Luolis wrote: TIL people think its totally fine for a team to get through upper bracket in a double elimination tournament and not have any advantage in finals. What the fuck? Yeah but its kinda messed up in a bo3 series right. Back in the Day CPL finals would end in one map because the upper bracket winner would just win the first and GG. It was super anticlimactic. It took like 8 or 9 CPL's before NOA turned it around and won 2 maps in a row to win a finals. From the lower bracket. | ||
Luolis
Finland7001 Posts
On May 23 2016 14:51 Rebs wrote: Yeah but its kinda messed up in a bo3 series right. Back in the Day CPL finals would end in one map because the upper bracket winner would just win the first and GG. It was super anticlimactic. It took like 8 or 9 CPL's before NOA turned it around and won 2 maps in a row to win a finals. From the lower bracket. And thats why it should be bo5 with VP having a map advantage. With no advantage it is a bit unfair towards VP | ||
bluzi
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On May 23 2016 14:53 Luolis wrote: And thats why it should be bo5 with VP having a map advantage. With no advantage it is a bit unfair towards VP Having a GF Bo5 is really long , and if it goes 5 maps it can easily cross 5 hours , its way too long , Bo3 are ideal in CS , the question now is the winner bracket advantage , i feel it should not be a 1-0 start or something like that , but something smaller like another Veto or you get to pick a map regardless of Veto process , something to give the edge , but no Bo5 and no 1 game adv in the GF is the basics for me as a viewer. | ||
Luolis
Finland7001 Posts
On May 23 2016 15:44 bluzi wrote: Having a GF Bo5 is really long , and if it goes 5 maps it can easily cross 5 hours , its way too long , Bo3 are ideal in CS , the question now is the winner bracket advantage , i feel it should not be a 1-0 start or something like that , but something smaller like another Veto or you get to pick a map regardless of Veto process , something to give the edge , but no Bo5 and no 1 game adv in the GF is the basics for me as a viewer. But then winners bracket doesnt matter. You need a bigger advantage for finals. Thats why single eli is anyways a better format. Either make proper double elimination with the advantage for upper bracket team, or make single eli if youre afraid of a final being boring. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Extended series feels a bit weird as well, because the picks and bans would probably be the same anyway... And being able to pick the decider is actually a huge advantage. You'll probably play one of your home maps and the lower bracket team not. | ||
juvenal
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bluzi
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On May 23 2016 21:06 Ragnarork wrote: There's been some fuss around that (TaZ was pretty mad about it). One of the best compromises would be to avoid the map advantage (yay, one-map finals) but rather give the winner bracket team the choice of the decider in place of the bans that follow the picks to determine it. Extended series feels a bit weird as well, because the picks and bans would probably be the same anyway... And being able to pick the decider is actually a huge advantage. You'll probably play one of your home maps and the lower bracket team not. 100% behind this idea , the advantage cannot be a map advantage when you have 1 series on a sunday as your Grand Final , putting the show together and bringing fans to an arena and then have a 16-5 result on train is not acceptable as a fan nor organiser and i don't care that Taz is mad about it , he should get an advantage like Ragnarok suggested which isn't a small one. | ||
Ragnarork
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 23 2016 14:53 Luolis wrote: And thats why it should be bo5 with VP having a map advantage. With no advantage it is a bit unfair towards VP What people said. Cant be a map edge unless its a bO5. Give the winner bracket team the final map pick is fair imo. | ||
Luolis
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On May 23 2016 23:49 Rebs wrote: What people said. Cant be a map edge unless its a bO5. Give the winner bracket team the final map pick is fair imo. imo thats way too small. Like every other team in the tournament has been able to lose a BO3. VP should have the same edge, or atleast another advantage like the map edge. Just a final map pick is meh. this is coincidentally also why i like single eli much more | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 24 2016 00:05 Luolis wrote: imo thats way too small. Like every other team in the tournament has been able to lose a BO3. VP should have the same edge, or atleast another advantage like the map edge. Just a final map pick is meh. this is coincidentally also why i like single eli much more Ok we get it you like single elimination. But single elimination has its own downsides aswell from a viewers perspective. But I dont really want to get into that. A map pick advantage is huge, I dont know what you are talking about :S. Give them map and side also, or as people suggested an unbannable pick + final pick. thats fine too, you have to remember that teams that run through the lower bracket end up playing alot more games and revealing alot more about their play aswell which isnt a small thing, it might be to you. Its not at that level. But yes you should absolutely be rewarded for not dropping a series. That no one can disagree with. I root for VP but what Taz is asking for is lazy, and he is the kind of person who will subtly, whine about anything that he can to get it to favor him. If he had to run through a lower bracket he would happily contradict himself + Show Spoiler + and cite another instance of that situation ignoring his own comments of the past But a map edge in a BO3 is not viable period. If you have a better idea please suggest. I personally dont mind a bo5 with a 1 map advantage either tbh. Its basically a maximum of 4 maps which for a final shouldnt be that big a deal. That would be my ideal solution, provided the logistics work and I dont see why they cant. | ||
Kipsate
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Nv in shambles. VP random and sloppy. Fnatic lost Olof so are a big question mark. Astralis not doing super well +roster swap. NiP doing better I guess but not unstoppable at all. Dunno, maybe i'm just looking for different things. Feels like teams are super closely matched with each other for the wrong reasons if that makes sense. | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 24 2016 00:58 Kipsate wrote: Am I the only one that feels like teams have just been "mediocre" comparitively, even if its not true it feels that way. Only LG feels like crisp play. Even Navi looks off at times. Nv in shambles. VP random and sloppy. Fnatic lost Olof so are a big question mark. Astralis not doing super well +roster swap. NiP doing better I guess but not unstoppable at all. Dunno, maybe i'm just looking for different things. Feels like teams are super closely matched with each other for the wrong reasons if that makes sense. Alot of things are the result of playstyles getting figured out and weaker teams improving. This is usually the little period of teams figuring out their evolutions. Little things that didnt get punished and looked awesome before now arent as effective which is why it looks sloppy now. What we can say for sure is that the loose style of play you had winning 2015 is dying fast. You still need to be able to play loose but you cant rely on it. | ||
juvenal
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On May 24 2016 00:58 Kipsate wrote: Am I the only one that feels like teams have just been "mediocre" comparitively, even if its not true it feels that way. Only LG feels like crisp play. Even Navi looks off at times. Nv in shambles. VP random and sloppy. Fnatic lost Olof so are a big question mark. Astralis not doing super well +roster swap. NiP doing better I guess but not unstoppable at all. Dunno, maybe i'm just looking for different things. Feels like teams are super closely matched with each other for the wrong reasons if that makes sense. I agree but it was to be expected. We've got used to the highest level of CS and took the best (arguably) team in CS:GO history for granted. Now we're getting closer to the average level. | ||
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