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amazingxkcd
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bluzi
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Clonester
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NaVi should sweep the event without a maplose. | ||
Kipsate
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hello? | ||
Ragnarork
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EDIT: They just did. But how close... | ||
HugoBallzak
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59-22 +37 120.0 ADR 2.00 Rating in two maps vs sk. | ||
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BlackCompany
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I mean its not bad but not 100% convincing either. Oh well at least i see them play again! | ||
amazingxkcd
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BlackCompany
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Seized is on a roll, winning rounds all by himself | ||
BlackCompany
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Either way, bad series no matter if they win train or not. Even though loosing it would be embarassing Train is rather Guardians graveyard than playground For fucks sake, what the hell are you doing | ||
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amazingxkcd
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BlackCompany
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I dont even Seriously are you even trying | ||
amazingxkcd
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BlackCompany
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Because if they cant even beat a t3 team what else will do at the Major. I've had my fair shares of them getting humiliated by LG | ||
Faruko
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On May 20 2016 03:05 amazingxkcd wrote: is this happening? navi getting sent to lowers already? EG day 1 | ||
amazingxkcd
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a masterful plan | ||
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BlackCompany
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Yeah its not like they needed that pistol win to have a chance or anything | ||
amazingxkcd
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On May 20 2016 17:25 BlackCompany wrote: Why do you skip every tournament but this one. There is like 0 reason to even play this if all they are capable off right now is what they showed yesterday and today Yeah its not like they needed that pistol win to have a chance or anything its a cis tournament, cant miss it if you're a cis team | ||
BlackCompany
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On May 20 2016 17:36 amazingxkcd wrote: its a cis tournament, cant miss it if you're a cis team Thats probably true. But if i was NaVi i would have given some excuse as why they cant come. HTey lost to a t3 team yesterday. They got fucking rekt by Flipside now. If they want to show everyone how bad they are when they dont practice then sure,i guess they did the right thing by attending it I mean noone gains from this. Neither the tournament nor the players or the viewers. Sure you might draw a larger audience when NaVi plays but thats over soon if NaVi cant step it up. They are almost out of this. And my guess is they cant. So if i was the organizer i'd rather get a decent replacement team than some team who obviously is just doing this because they kind of have to but dont really want to | ||
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BlackCompany
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But yeah its looking solid now (minus the akward spray misses) Quickly, hunt him down 1 by 1. But make sure to fight long range vs his USP. Thats how our glocks will win! | ||
amazingxkcd
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BlackCompany
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What the hell was that round | ||
BlackCompany
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And then just fucking die because noone actually wants to check corners Oh well i should not have called cobble. NaVi finds a way to throw possibly | ||
Luolis
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Luolis
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BlackCompany
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Show a good Cobble game | ||
amazingxkcd
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BlackCompany
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Unfortunate for F3 that they loose 5 rounds, max out their round loss bonus, then win 1 round and loose the next to reset their money every time | ||
Luolis
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BlackCompany
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Shaky but at least they stay alive. Hopefully they can perform better in the next bo3 | ||
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Faruko
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bluzi
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BlackCompany
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1 vs 1? Better show a shot of the players instead of the game. Terrorists go for the execute? Here is a nice shot of the Godsent coach. The second "half" makes up for it though haha. Godsent loose the 1vs4 in pistol, next round twist headshot-teamkills someone climbing up the ladder at B | ||
BlackCompany
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Poor Sadokist and HenryG, this tournament really has had so many troubles running its matches. But hey at least i get to know what pets they had and like | ||
amazingxkcd
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On May 21 2016 06:13 BlackCompany wrote: Lmao if the analysts really went home haha Poor Sadokist and HenryG, this tournament really has had so many troubles running its matches. But hey at least i get to know what pets they had and like rip sadokist and henryG | ||
BlackCompany
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Ya. But it's surprisingly entertaining so far Pets, CS:GO improvements, HenryG getting recked by Juliano. And obviously analysts abbandoning their brothers and going home^^ | ||
Ragnarork
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On May 20 2016 21:05 Luolis wrote: Oh well, 2 teams i dislike in lower bracket. Gogo Godsent i guess. Is the team finnish or playing with a finnish dude? If the answer is no, then it's probably not a team Luolis like. | ||
BlackCompany
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He finishes the map with 1 kill :< I dont think i've ever seen that. | ||
Luolis
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On May 21 2016 06:29 Ragnarork wrote: Is the team finnish or playing with a finnish dude? If the answer is no, then it's probably not a team Luolis like. Nah, Navi i dont like and i dislike simple too. | ||
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BlackCompany
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Still its crazy that NaVi cant figure out that Godsent go so aggressive even if their lifes depended on it. Holy fuck Zeus that 1 vs 2. Survives with 1 HP! | ||
BlackCompany
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Switiching to nades right in the open, push arround angles without reason Lucky for NaVi that Guardian is there to clutch it out Just when you thought production couldnt be worse - super loud music so you cant hear shit NaVi throw in full effect. 10-5 T half, pistol win to make it 13-5. Then loose 7 in a row to make it 13-12. | ||
Rebs
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But Guardian to stronk. | ||
Faruko
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BlackCompany
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Good job NaVi! Cant wrap my head arround why you have to loose 9 rounds in a row to finally play good again but at least they made it | ||
Rebs
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On May 22 2016 02:49 BlackCompany wrote: FINALLY Good job NaVi! Cant wrap my head arround why you have to loose 9 rounds in a row to finally play good again but at least they made it They didnt really, Guardian literally just went ham by himself for 2 rounds. | ||
BlackCompany
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On May 22 2016 02:52 Rebs wrote: They didnt really, Guardian literally just went ham by himself for 2 rounds. True. that 4k on the B site was huge to get them to match point. | ||
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BlackCompany
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Edward cant win this alone | ||
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Also how do you loose a 5vs2 when the Ts only have a tec9 buy.. Guardian has to take most of the blame for that one | ||
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On May 23 2016 03:03 BlackCompany wrote: Zeus 1 vs 3 clutch needed to get NaVi on track, they convert the following buy into 14-8 intsead of possibly being at 12-10 Yeah a great example of how one guy can drop 30 frags in a match but someone else with half the kills wins you the map. | ||
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bluzi
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Rounds you should win but somehow loose | ||
bluzi
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BlackCompany
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And they look way better in their play | ||
bluzi
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bluzi
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BlackCompany
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Though when i look at the NaVi squad you should think they could hit shots | ||
BlackCompany
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Another tournament another final loss Nothing to see here | ||
Kipsate
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Ragnarork
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Welp. VP with a strong showing here! | ||
Luolis
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Rebs
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On May 23 2016 14:44 Luolis wrote: TIL people think its totally fine for a team to get through upper bracket in a double elimination tournament and not have any advantage in finals. What the fuck? Yeah but its kinda messed up in a bo3 series right. Back in the Day CPL finals would end in one map because the upper bracket winner would just win the first and GG. It was super anticlimactic. It took like 8 or 9 CPL's before NOA turned it around and won 2 maps in a row to win a finals. From the lower bracket. | ||
Luolis
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On May 23 2016 14:51 Rebs wrote: Yeah but its kinda messed up in a bo3 series right. Back in the Day CPL finals would end in one map because the upper bracket winner would just win the first and GG. It was super anticlimactic. It took like 8 or 9 CPL's before NOA turned it around and won 2 maps in a row to win a finals. From the lower bracket. And thats why it should be bo5 with VP having a map advantage. With no advantage it is a bit unfair towards VP | ||
bluzi
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On May 23 2016 14:53 Luolis wrote: And thats why it should be bo5 with VP having a map advantage. With no advantage it is a bit unfair towards VP Having a GF Bo5 is really long , and if it goes 5 maps it can easily cross 5 hours , its way too long , Bo3 are ideal in CS , the question now is the winner bracket advantage , i feel it should not be a 1-0 start or something like that , but something smaller like another Veto or you get to pick a map regardless of Veto process , something to give the edge , but no Bo5 and no 1 game adv in the GF is the basics for me as a viewer. | ||
Luolis
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On May 23 2016 15:44 bluzi wrote: Having a GF Bo5 is really long , and if it goes 5 maps it can easily cross 5 hours , its way too long , Bo3 are ideal in CS , the question now is the winner bracket advantage , i feel it should not be a 1-0 start or something like that , but something smaller like another Veto or you get to pick a map regardless of Veto process , something to give the edge , but no Bo5 and no 1 game adv in the GF is the basics for me as a viewer. But then winners bracket doesnt matter. You need a bigger advantage for finals. Thats why single eli is anyways a better format. Either make proper double elimination with the advantage for upper bracket team, or make single eli if youre afraid of a final being boring. | ||
Ragnarork
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Extended series feels a bit weird as well, because the picks and bans would probably be the same anyway... And being able to pick the decider is actually a huge advantage. You'll probably play one of your home maps and the lower bracket team not. | ||
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On May 23 2016 21:06 Ragnarork wrote: There's been some fuss around that (TaZ was pretty mad about it). One of the best compromises would be to avoid the map advantage (yay, one-map finals) but rather give the winner bracket team the choice of the decider in place of the bans that follow the picks to determine it. Extended series feels a bit weird as well, because the picks and bans would probably be the same anyway... And being able to pick the decider is actually a huge advantage. You'll probably play one of your home maps and the lower bracket team not. 100% behind this idea , the advantage cannot be a map advantage when you have 1 series on a sunday as your Grand Final , putting the show together and bringing fans to an arena and then have a 16-5 result on train is not acceptable as a fan nor organiser and i don't care that Taz is mad about it , he should get an advantage like Ragnarok suggested which isn't a small one. | ||
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Rebs
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On May 23 2016 14:53 Luolis wrote: And thats why it should be bo5 with VP having a map advantage. With no advantage it is a bit unfair towards VP What people said. Cant be a map edge unless its a bO5. Give the winner bracket team the final map pick is fair imo. | ||
Luolis
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On May 23 2016 23:49 Rebs wrote: What people said. Cant be a map edge unless its a bO5. Give the winner bracket team the final map pick is fair imo. imo thats way too small. Like every other team in the tournament has been able to lose a BO3. VP should have the same edge, or atleast another advantage like the map edge. Just a final map pick is meh. this is coincidentally also why i like single eli much more | ||
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On May 24 2016 00:05 Luolis wrote: imo thats way too small. Like every other team in the tournament has been able to lose a BO3. VP should have the same edge, or atleast another advantage like the map edge. Just a final map pick is meh. this is coincidentally also why i like single eli much more Ok we get it you like single elimination. But single elimination has its own downsides aswell from a viewers perspective. But I dont really want to get into that. A map pick advantage is huge, I dont know what you are talking about :S. Give them map and side also, or as people suggested an unbannable pick + final pick. thats fine too, you have to remember that teams that run through the lower bracket end up playing alot more games and revealing alot more about their play aswell which isnt a small thing, it might be to you. Its not at that level. But yes you should absolutely be rewarded for not dropping a series. That no one can disagree with. I root for VP but what Taz is asking for is lazy, and he is the kind of person who will subtly, whine about anything that he can to get it to favor him. If he had to run through a lower bracket he would happily contradict himself + Show Spoiler + and cite another instance of that situation ignoring his own comments of the past But a map edge in a BO3 is not viable period. If you have a better idea please suggest. I personally dont mind a bo5 with a 1 map advantage either tbh. Its basically a maximum of 4 maps which for a final shouldnt be that big a deal. That would be my ideal solution, provided the logistics work and I dont see why they cant. | ||
Kipsate
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Nv in shambles. VP random and sloppy. Fnatic lost Olof so are a big question mark. Astralis not doing super well +roster swap. NiP doing better I guess but not unstoppable at all. Dunno, maybe i'm just looking for different things. Feels like teams are super closely matched with each other for the wrong reasons if that makes sense. | ||
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On May 24 2016 00:58 Kipsate wrote: Am I the only one that feels like teams have just been "mediocre" comparitively, even if its not true it feels that way. Only LG feels like crisp play. Even Navi looks off at times. Nv in shambles. VP random and sloppy. Fnatic lost Olof so are a big question mark. Astralis not doing super well +roster swap. NiP doing better I guess but not unstoppable at all. Dunno, maybe i'm just looking for different things. Feels like teams are super closely matched with each other for the wrong reasons if that makes sense. Alot of things are the result of playstyles getting figured out and weaker teams improving. This is usually the little period of teams figuring out their evolutions. Little things that didnt get punished and looked awesome before now arent as effective which is why it looks sloppy now. What we can say for sure is that the loose style of play you had winning 2015 is dying fast. You still need to be able to play loose but you cant rely on it. | ||
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On May 24 2016 00:58 Kipsate wrote: Am I the only one that feels like teams have just been "mediocre" comparitively, even if its not true it feels that way. Only LG feels like crisp play. Even Navi looks off at times. Nv in shambles. VP random and sloppy. Fnatic lost Olof so are a big question mark. Astralis not doing super well +roster swap. NiP doing better I guess but not unstoppable at all. Dunno, maybe i'm just looking for different things. Feels like teams are super closely matched with each other for the wrong reasons if that makes sense. I agree but it was to be expected. We've got used to the highest level of CS and took the best (arguably) team in CS:GO history for granted. Now we're getting closer to the average level. | ||
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