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18:30 KST, Friday 13th July 2007, Daum OnGameNet Starleague Season 1 Semi-Final B
GGPlay[GsP] (Z) vs By.Flash (T)
Map List Set 1 - Fantasy Set 2 - Hitchhiker Set 3 - Python Set 4 - Monty Hall Set 5 - Fantasy
+ Show Spoiler [Results] +Flash < GGPlay @ Fantasy Flash > GGPlay @ Hitchhiker Flash > GGPlay @ Python Flash < GGPlay @ Monty Hall Flash < GGPlay @ Fantasy
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No one knows the real potential of Flash. Very hard to predict and very exciting because of that.
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I am so excited for this series. Although a TvT final would most likely not be as entertaining as a TvZ I can't help but root for Flash here. I really hope he comes out and silences all his critics and plays amazing. Of course there is a chance GGPlay will destroy him too so I have to agree with Etter's analysis about this match. The first game will probably say a lot.
FlaSh fighting!!!
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i think GGplay is gonna win, also, if flash wins i dont think he is gonna be able to beat iris.
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IriS will win this OSL regardless who wins this match.
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On July 13 2007 02:04 boghat wrote: IriS will win this OSL regardless who wins this match.
agreed
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Very excited about this match, on the one hand I don't believe that flashs mid/lategame is good enough to take out ggplay, especially considering it's TvZ in which he is relatively untested. Specific timing/rush builds is one thing, a bo5 on 4 different maps is completely different. That being said, he has shown immense focus in preparing for his previous games with ballsy builds and spot-on execution (scv on ramp anyone?). Either Flash will surprise me and take the win or there's going to be a zerg in the finals, talk about win/win!
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I believe Flash when he says his TvZ is his best matchup! Flash will win this series with ease.
Flash fighting!
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GG Fighting!
I really don't want a TvT final and a PvP. TvZ is probably my favorite mu to watch. What I like about this matchup is that Flash can't play a sloppy late game and hope to win since his opponent excels in late game.
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GGPlay's lategame management in ZvT is second only to Savior's. The maps are quite a bit better this season for ZvT, with Monty Hall being the only fucking retarded, obviously imbalanced, piece of shit. Flash has shown some problems in his televised games with late game play, especially in TvZ. It would be very exciting for Flash to have a chance to walk the Royal Road though. Flash's success in progaming is Reach's prophecy the way Savior/Stork/Sea are Boxer's.
Brain: GGPlay Heart: Flash
GL GG.
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On July 13 2007 02:04 boghat wrote: IriS will win this OSL regardless who wins this match.
tl bandwagon.... sigh
Honestly why do people hate flash?..... Oh thats right, because he plays well.
You have to fail atleast 2-3 times before you start winning or else you are hated and assumed a lucky noob.
edit:
Where does the assumption that flash cant play well in late game come from?
Ofcourse if a players games are relatively fast, that means he cannot play in late game, right?
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On July 13 2007 02:21 oshibori_probe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 02:04 boghat wrote: IriS will win this OSL regardless who wins this match. tl bandwagon.... sigh Honestly why do people hate flash?..... Oh thats right, because he plays well. You have to fail atleast 2-3 times before you start winning or else you are hated and assumed a lucky noob.
what bandwagon? that Iris is good at TvT is no secret and flash didn't play that many TvT (i can only recall vs boxer and hwasin, both of which he lost)
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On July 13 2007 02:21 oshibori_probe wrote: Where does the assumption that flash cant play well in late game come from?
Ofcourse if a players games are relatively fast, that means he cannot play in late game, right? must be because one of his 3 losses went past the 15 minute mark
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On July 13 2007 02:23 Aepplet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 02:21 oshibori_probe wrote:On July 13 2007 02:04 boghat wrote: IriS will win this OSL regardless who wins this match. tl bandwagon.... sigh Honestly why do people hate flash?..... Oh thats right, because he plays well. You have to fail atleast 2-3 times before you start winning or else you are hated and assumed a lucky noob. what bandwagon? that Iris is good at TvT is no secret and flash didn't play that many TvT (i can only recall vs boxer and hwasin, both of which he lost) don't forget, he raped light, who has a stellar ~40% record in TvT
tl bandwagon my ass, iris is a good player
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gogo flash can watch only game 1 live T_T
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i'm so excited ... and i just can't hide it
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Iris trash talking on interview probably.
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There's no bandwagon on this one. After the players Iris beat to get this far, it's not surprising that he's the favorite to win regardless of who he faces. Besides, both GGPlay and Iris have been a couple of the most underrated players for a while now.
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On July 13 2007 02:30 Fishball wrote: it starts in 1 hour? now
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Braavos36362 Posts
they just played the hype intro, and they used Saosin - Sleepers as background music
shades of shinhan3, Saosin is ZERG MUSIC
you can feel it, GGPlay, can't you?
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IriS is no bandwagon. If anything he's still under liked. But I just keep liking him more and more because he keeps proving himself more and more.
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I'm hoping GGplay takes this mostly because I'd love to see a TvZ final, particularly given Iris's "RRRR I WILL NEVER LOSE TO A ZERG IN A FINAL AGAIN" attitude change he underwent to defeat Savior. I'd love to see If Iris can keep that up against another stellar lategame Zerg. While Flash is undoubtedly good, as Etter said we haven't really seen the full breadth of his skill yet in TvZ/TvT. GGplay's OSL show so far as been nothing but strong and I think he'll just manage to take this one.
Plus Flash will really need to perform an about turn on his TvT if he wants a chance in hell against Iris.
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KTF uniforms made by Head now
RIP Puma
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flash 4-1 vs Z GGPlay vs T 7-3
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GGPlay defeated Stork, Up, Casy and Hwasin on his way to the semi
Flash only lost to SaviOr and killed iloveoov, Light and Bisu
^^
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Hanbit scores feel-good points for having their entire team backstage cheering their man on
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where r u guys getting the streams?
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I don't think I have been as excited for a match as much as this one this season. MSL finals I'm not that excited about but no matter who wins this I can't wait for OSL finals.
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sc2.org
or download daum player which I don't have link to.
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By.Flash <Monghwan> GGplay - GAME 1
Flash WHITE at 8. Gaema Gowon GG TEAL at 5. Ride of Valks
Stream is about 10ish second behing sc2.org stream.
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Game just started, GL FLASH!!
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Fantasy
GgPlay teal @ 5h Flash write @ 8h
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Puma nolonger sponsering KTF, shame, they used to make lovely t-shirts!!
Head sponsering Pantech and KTF???
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my pc crashes when i watch sc2. anyone has a stream for mediaplayer again ? =D
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GG scouts the wrong way with his overlord to 2.
GGplay 9 pools.
Flash 8 depots near his CC.
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9 pool vs 14CC
lol!
only one outcome!!
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GGplay sends a drone scout to 8, looking for Flash.
6 zerglings morhping.
FLASH 14 CCS AT HIS NEXUS OH SNAPS
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looks like flash is going for 14 cc, then it's gg
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okay, the Goodfriend GGPlay showed up today. Flash 3-1 semi-yawn rape
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Flash 14 cc drone come to cc!! omg 6 lings out rax mading.
well, it´s over man.
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not looking good for flash.
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6 lings head out before Flash's rax is even half done.
Let's hope the kid had good scv micro.
And that GGplay suddenly has a siezsure >_>
GGplay kills the builder scv and forces the expo CC cancel.
Rax for Flash is fone, all scvs to block ramp! Flash also constucts a bunker and another rax.
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remember lads, if a zerg 9pools 1 game, they will probably do it atleast 1 more time
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I hate 14 CC/Nexus and am happy whenever it gets raped.
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this is too much like iris vs stork
a zerg trying to win it out of build order
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Nice moves from Flash prevent him from dying completely. He has 2 rax up now, pumping rines.
GGplay has finished an expo to his natural. Beginning to mine there.
ALL MARINES AND SCVS MOVE OUT FOR FLASH FUCK YEAH
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hey can we all just say that flash is a risky lucky motherfucker now? what the hell haha
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Ggplay didnt go directly to rax and killed near 5 scv on ramp and give chance to Flash survive.
all scv going to zerg exp. ggplay doing lair and 3hat its ready
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hahaha raped yay ggplay yaaay
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what the hell is flash doing
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On July 13 2007 02:47 Hot_Bid wrote: hey can we all just say that flash is a risky lucky motherfucker now? what the hell haha can we just stop the tl.net bandwagon
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I was 100% sure FlaSh would die instantly to the first zerglings but he blocked it surprisingly well, even if he lost after.
GG
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omfg the game was won if he just went up the ramp!!!??? what a mistake
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ALL MARINES AND SCVS CHARGE INTO GG'S NAT!
SUNKEN FINISHES! RAPES THE ATTACK ALONG WITH SOME LINGS!
Flash retreats his scvs to pick up some more marines, but lings pick the marines apart.
Flash retreats...and then types out, knowing he can't win.
GGplay > Flash Flash 0-1 GGplay
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On July 13 2007 02:48 oshibori_probe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 02:47 Hot_Bid wrote: hey can we all just say that flash is a risky lucky motherfucker now? what the hell haha can we just stop the tl.net bandwagon
can you stop being a jew
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1 sunken + 1 troop of lings won against 6,7 marines and 8 scvs.
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On July 13 2007 02:47 PoP wrote: I hate 14 CC/Nexus and am happy whenever it gets raped.
God you beat me with this. I was gonna say the exact same thing. Anyway it's good to know i'm not just being paranoid about it. WHO SAID 14CC/NEXUS is a given??
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that was bad marine control
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On July 13 2007 02:48 oshibori_probe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 02:47 Hot_Bid wrote: hey can we all just say that flash is a risky lucky motherfucker now? what the hell haha can we just stop the tl.net bandwagon it's not a bandwagon if you were the first or second person to say it dumbass
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Next game will show if flash and/or ggplay prepared 1 build for the whole match, or if its just a different thing per map
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Flash has to win either on Hitchhiker or Python orelse, he's done for.
Because you know, Monty Hall is kind of a gimme for Terran.
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sometimes i wonder if players use spies to find out what the other are planning to do on certain maps.
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That's my boy. Take this one home, GGPlay.
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I respect GGPlay for his build but I just want to see a straight up game and see what happens. Flash took a chance and it failed. This game showed nothing but I thought both players showed good micro.
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If i was flash I would micro spitballs at GGPlay while BBSing him on HH
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i am pretty happy that the 14cc got raped
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I find it really stupid to 14cc in such a luck-chance map which is Fantasy. Flash should have just played it safe with a 2rax normal build.
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Keep in my mind I've always liked GGPlay so I won't care if he wins. But the thought of a young, dominant player emerging who is good at doing cool cheeses like Boxer is too sweet to pass up on.
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is anyone like klaz doing an audio stream or anything
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ugh, i voted flash on a whim =( ggplay is really good but he's just so bland i can never vote for him unless faced with an even more boring opponent.
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By.Flash <Hitchhiker> GGplay - GAME 2
Flash TEAL at 11 GGplay WHITE at 5
Reverse colors! SC color is such a weird thing.
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oh u guys.. if flash rushes : stupid flash can just win by rushes if flash plays a 'normal' bo.. and dies to rush aaah glad flash died.. ect.. omg ^o^
voted flash, knew that ggplay is the slight favourite.. lets see
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Hich Hiker
Flash green left @ 11h GgPlay white right @ 5h
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the 3rd place match should be interesting regardless if its flash or ggplay vs stork.
Alot of players lose momentum when they get to the finals and collapse. With 3rd place in OSL its about not doing ODT
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Flash goes barracks before depot.
GGplay 12 hatches at his valley gas natural and sends out a drone to scout.
Flash sends a scout as soon as his rax finishes. He throws down another rax as well.
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is that a BSB or a BBS that ure talkin about?
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2 marines heading down for Flash. GGplay still morphing his pool.
GGplay lays down his 3rd hatch at his min only.
Flash bunkers at GG's nat...then decides not to and cancels when he sees a handful of drones coming.
GGplays expo is up, sets up a sunken there. Flash building a factory.
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gmm flash is doing.. waaht ? xd !? :o
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well it seems flash is answering the question can you do a do-or-die build EVERY game in a bo5 haha
edit: oh factory, not scv rush? nm
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does he atleast kill some drones?
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nice one 4 rines on choke hid 3 rines ggplay wanted to crack the choke put 3 rines slaughter lings
=D
probably 2 rax m&m with tank siege ..
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early factory
omg lost almost all zerglings
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Hi,
Just joined, any high bitrate streams today ?
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On July 13 2007 03:01 oshibori_probe wrote: is that a BSB or a BBS that ure talkin about?
BSB.
GGplay sends his first 6 lings towards Flash, but they get slaughtered by the marines at the ramp.
Lapse of control frmo GGplay loses him all his zerglings save 1.
GG starting the upgrade to lair.
Flash finishes his factory and addons to it. Macroing up a large marine infantry group.
FLash finishes up an academy, GGplay's min only finishes and he sends some drones to mine.
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ok i think flash has a good bo now
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Catyoul
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GGplay pools and quickly expands at 6 Flash has started a factory
GGplay has about 8 lings at flash' ramp, flash only show 5 marines at the ramp and ggplay engages but flash had some more hidden behind and kills all the lings eventually
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Catyoul
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Addon is done for the factory
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Catyoul
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GGplay ahs 1 sunk + 2 creeps at his nat
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This is the flash I bet on!
never doubt a terran that is like 14-2 or some shit vs a zerg whos 4-6 in his last 10 games
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Catyoul
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3 sunks now, lair just finished Flash has ~12 rines, 2 medics and got his first tank so he's moving out !
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building a bunker would be clever for flash !!
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
GGplay adds a sunk and spire is building
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Flash moving out with large group of marines and 2 medics. Accompanied by a tank with siege.
Flash starts the siege of GG's natural. Starting to shell the sunkens.
GGplay delaying the push by throwing down mass sunkens. He has no troops, and is furiously morphing his Spire.
Flash goes up to 4 barracks. 2 tanks shelling GG's nat now.
GG's spire done! Mutas morphing!
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damn i love flash - not you another goddamnf*cking macro terran =P
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It all comes down to the mutas I think.
U need to hurt terrans economy, then use lurkers to make terran push really slowly down the center, that way when they get to your base you do a big rape with swarm.
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Catyoul
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GGplay adding sunks frenetically, trying to delay as much as possible
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The first mutas are morphing, more on the way. The nat falls, GGplay had prepared sunks at his ramp too
It's micro time baby
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GG's last sunken falls, and his natural hatchery does so as well/
Flash trying to advance up the ramp, but crazy mutas block the way.
Flash starting to move up the ramp, 3 hastily morphed sunkens from GG are shelld by the tanks. But his Medrine group is having a little bit of trouble with the mutas.
Flash inside popping drones! Mutas aren't enough!
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Gogo end this foolish tl bandwagon of hating flash
hes like a combination of sea, boxer, and oov youth, micro, and winning games!
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tank killed last sunken.
1-1
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1:1 nice timing attack by flash
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Who said Flash wasn't good again?
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GGplay types out as his combined drones and mutas can't eliminate Flash's marines!
Flash > GGplay Flash 1-1 GGplay
Flash leaves for a bathroom break!
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Catyoul
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GGplay manages to take out a nice number of rines with his mutas, but with no more sunkens the m&m go in. It's going to be over
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Catyoul
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And it is
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next game is monty right?
god GGPlay is fucked. Hes gotta win on python, then get lucky again on fantasy
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that was a very disappointing game by both sides. Christ. I hope the next sets won't be this bad. It could be a fucking abc 123 game in all of them.
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Nice strat, 4rax 1fac, nice macro.
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Really? I thought that game was very entertaining.
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On July 13 2007 03:08 oshibori_probe wrote: next game is monty right?
god GGPlay is fucked. Hes gotta win on python, then get lucky again on fantasy wait, him killing flash's 14cc is "lucky"????
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wow zealbomb, you sure are optimistic!
This sure is better than the usual marine medic vs lurkerling that you see in EVERY SINGLE tvz game.
Sure if you get off on nothing but repetitive micro then you like that, but I prefer this.
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I enjoyed this game as well. was quite cool.
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On July 13 2007 03:10 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:08 oshibori_probe wrote: next game is monty right?
god GGPlay is fucked. Hes gotta win on python, then get lucky again on fantasy wait, him killing flash's 14cc is "lucky"?
nono you misunderstand me....
fantasy comes down to luck of the draw on positions. Whoever gets a better spawn will prolly take game 5
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Neither of the first two games were entertaining at all. Standard rushes don't show the skills of either of the two players.
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That's really GGPlay's one weakness right there.
Here's hoping we get a game or two that last longer than those did before this is all over.
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On July 13 2007 03:10 oshibori_probe wrote: wow zealbomb, you sure are optimistic!
This sure is better than the usual marine medic vs lurkerling that you see in EVERY SINGLE tvz game.
Sure if you get off on nothing but repetitive micro then you like that, but I prefer this. This was like...July vs Goodfriend game 5 osl final...but with Goodfriend winning.
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btw gawd hot_bid, you really have it in for me tonight dontcha
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On July 13 2007 03:09 Zealbomb! wrote: that was a very disappointing game by both sides. Christ. I hope the next sets won't be this bad. It could be a fucking abc 123 game in all of them.
don't be stupid, it's waaay better than those boring macro games nowdays! brings back to the days where terrans like boxer sync gundam owned everyone with micro, NOT macro
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On July 13 2007 03:12 Zealbomb! wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:10 oshibori_probe wrote: wow zealbomb, you sure are optimistic!
This sure is better than the usual marine medic vs lurkerling that you see in EVERY SINGLE tvz game.
Sure if you get off on nothing but repetitive micro then you like that, but I prefer this. This was like...July vs Goodfriend game 5 osl final...but with Goodfriend winning. uuuuhh did you just compare July to GGPlay, and Goodfriend to Flash
wow... just.... wow
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On July 13 2007 03:11 oshibori_probe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:10 Hot_Bid wrote:On July 13 2007 03:08 oshibori_probe wrote: next game is monty right?
god GGPlay is fucked. Hes gotta win on python, then get lucky again on fantasy wait, him killing flash's 14cc is "lucky"? nono you misunderstand me.... fantasy comes down to luck of the draw on positions. Whoever gets a better spawn will prolly take game 5 closer positions, like the ones they spawned in game1, are better for the T
...unless they try something blatantly greedy like flash did
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I think people are expecting sAviOr like games because for whatever reason they seem to be really good most of the time, i.e. bunch of good games vs. NaDa. (Maybe it's because ;o sAviOr makes a bunch of entertaining games?)
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On July 13 2007 03:12 ram wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:09 Zealbomb! wrote: that was a very disappointing game by both sides. Christ. I hope the next sets won't be this bad. It could be a fucking abc 123 game in all of them. don't be stupid, it's waaay better than those boring macro games nowdays! brings back to the days where terrans like boxer sync gundam owned everyone with micro, NOT macro ?? GEE THAT WAS AN INCREDIBLE MICRO GAME. WOW U SEE HIM KILL ALLL THOSE MUTAS? HOLY SHIT!
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On July 13 2007 03:12 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:11 oshibori_probe wrote:On July 13 2007 03:10 Hot_Bid wrote:On July 13 2007 03:08 oshibori_probe wrote: next game is monty right?
god GGPlay is fucked. Hes gotta win on python, then get lucky again on fantasy wait, him killing flash's 14cc is "lucky"? nono you misunderstand me.... fantasy comes down to luck of the draw on positions. Whoever gets a better spawn will prolly take game 5 closer positions, like the ones they spawned in game1, are better for the T ...unless they try something blatantly greedy like flash did
im guessing both play standard game 5, so it really might come down to where they spawn... if it gets to game 5
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On July 13 2007 03:14 oshibori_probe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:12 Hot_Bid wrote:On July 13 2007 03:11 oshibori_probe wrote:On July 13 2007 03:10 Hot_Bid wrote:On July 13 2007 03:08 oshibori_probe wrote: next game is monty right?
god GGPlay is fucked. Hes gotta win on python, then get lucky again on fantasy wait, him killing flash's 14cc is "lucky"? nono you misunderstand me.... fantasy comes down to luck of the draw on positions. Whoever gets a better spawn will prolly take game 5 closer positions, like the ones they spawned in game1, are better for the T ...unless they try something blatantly greedy like flash did im guessing both play standard game 5, so it really might come down to where they spawn... if it gets to game 5 also i think player skill might have a small impact on the outcome
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On July 13 2007 03:14 Zealbomb! wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:12 ram wrote:On July 13 2007 03:09 Zealbomb! wrote: that was a very disappointing game by both sides. Christ. I hope the next sets won't be this bad. It could be a fucking abc 123 game in all of them. don't be stupid, it's waaay better than those boring macro games nowdays! brings back to the days where terrans like boxer sync gundam owned everyone with micro, NOT macro ?? GEE THAT WAS AN INCREDIBLE MICRO GAME. WOW U SEE HIM KILL ALLL THOSE MUTAS? HOLY SHIT!
Do you know what thriller means?
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On July 13 2007 03:12 ram wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:09 Zealbomb! wrote: that was a very disappointing game by both sides. Christ. I hope the next sets won't be this bad. It could be a fucking abc 123 game in all of them. don't be stupid, it's waaay better than those boring macro games nowdays! brings back to the days where terrans like boxer sync gundam owned everyone with micro, NOT macro you mean bring back the days when terrans couldn't macro?
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Hmm, it's obvious that Flash does not want to touch the game past the 15 minute mark.
Thus the timing factory rush?
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On July 13 2007 03:15 yubee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:14 oshibori_probe wrote:On July 13 2007 03:12 Hot_Bid wrote:On July 13 2007 03:11 oshibori_probe wrote:On July 13 2007 03:10 Hot_Bid wrote:On July 13 2007 03:08 oshibori_probe wrote: next game is monty right?
god GGPlay is fucked. Hes gotta win on python, then get lucky again on fantasy wait, him killing flash's 14cc is "lucky"? nono you misunderstand me.... fantasy comes down to luck of the draw on positions. Whoever gets a better spawn will prolly take game 5 closer positions, like the ones they spawned in game1, are better for the T ...unless they try something blatantly greedy like flash did im guessing both play standard game 5, so it really might come down to where they spawn... if it gets to game 5 also i think player skill might have a small impact on the outcome yubee ive been saying that flash is better all along, but know that everyone is calling him goodfriend for some strange reason Ive decided to leave out flashes superior skill to avoid random flames
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On July 13 2007 03:12 oshibori_probe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:12 Zealbomb! wrote:On July 13 2007 03:10 oshibori_probe wrote: wow zealbomb, you sure are optimistic!
This sure is better than the usual marine medic vs lurkerling that you see in EVERY SINGLE tvz game.
Sure if you get off on nothing but repetitive micro then you like that, but I prefer this. This was like...July vs Goodfriend game 5 osl final...but with Goodfriend winning. uuuuhh did you just compare July to GGPlay, and Goodfriend to Flash wow... just.... wow Christ are you fucking stupid? I just said "the game", not the fucking players. It was a standard tank push forcing the zerg to muta micro against additional reinforcements in increments. Sunk sunk sunk, siege, fortify, hit here hit there, and then before the forces reach capital mass, go for the kill and push the terran back.
I refuse to talk to you anymore so don't bother quoting. Let's just enjoy this fine game set and what it has to offer.
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On July 13 2007 03:16 GTR-2-Go wrote: Hmm, it's obvious that Flash does not want to touch the game past the 15 minute mark.
Thus the timing factory rush? Why did he 14cc then? You guys got to stop thinking FlaSh is all about early wins.
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On July 13 2007 03:13 boghat wrote: I think people are expecting sAviOr like games because for whatever reason they seem to be really good most of the time, i.e. bunch of good games vs. NaDa. (Maybe it's because ;o sAviOr makes a bunch of entertaining games?) All sAviOr semi-finals bo5 last season were amazing, it was a whole differnet level of quality, fun to watch. Games this season, Bo5 sets... are just crap if you compare :-) its sad but true.
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On July 13 2007 03:17 boghat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:16 GTR-2-Go wrote: Hmm, it's obvious that Flash does not want to touch the game past the 15 minute mark.
Thus the timing factory rush? Why did he 14cc then? You guys got to stop thinking FlaSh is all about early wins. uh, he 14cc because he's not confident going into a long game without a risky ass advantage like 14cc, it shows how NOT confident he is with a normal long game
opposite of what you said
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On July 13 2007 03:15 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:12 ram wrote:On July 13 2007 03:09 Zealbomb! wrote: that was a very disappointing game by both sides. Christ. I hope the next sets won't be this bad. It could be a fucking abc 123 game in all of them. don't be stupid, it's waaay better than those boring macro games nowdays! brings back to the days where terrans like boxer sync gundam owned everyone with micro, NOT macro you mean bring back the days when terrans couldn't macro?
What about Oov. Hes got godly macro, so that means TL.net assumes his micro sucks... however it doesnt!!!
I personally really like his games now
TL.net can not graps the idea that someone can be good at 2 things, and that every pro has a matchup they are much worse at than any other.
Thus this stereotype of flash being a cheesing micro terran that cant play TvZ has sprung up.
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we'll see in the next few games won't we? he's yet to show anything different, this series can pretty much change everyone's opinion of him.
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On July 13 2007 03:18 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:17 boghat wrote:On July 13 2007 03:16 GTR-2-Go wrote: Hmm, it's obvious that Flash does not want to touch the game past the 15 minute mark.
Thus the timing factory rush? Why did he 14cc then? You guys got to stop thinking FlaSh is all about early wins. uh, he 14cc because he's not confident going into a long game without a risky ass advantage like 14cc, it shows how NOT confident he is with a normal long game opposite of what you said
I think its obvious that flash is a risk taker. With the rush distance being fairly long on fantasy he decides to do a 14cc and see how it turns out.
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On July 13 2007 03:18 oshibori_probe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:15 Hot_Bid wrote:On July 13 2007 03:12 ram wrote:On July 13 2007 03:09 Zealbomb! wrote: that was a very disappointing game by both sides. Christ. I hope the next sets won't be this bad. It could be a fucking abc 123 game in all of them. don't be stupid, it's waaay better than those boring macro games nowdays! brings back to the days where terrans like boxer sync gundam owned everyone with micro, NOT macro you mean bring back the days when terrans couldn't macro? What about Oov. Hes got godly macro, so that means TL.net assumes his micro sucks... however it doesnt!!! I personally really like his games now TL.net can not graps the idea that someone can be good at 2 things, and that every pro has a matchup they are much worse at than any other. Thus this stereotype of flash being a cheesing micro terran that cant play TvZ has sprung up. you're the fucking idiot here, stop generalizing TL so much
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WHOO I"M LATE TO THE PARTAY!
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god ggplay better win this, flash is just so damn overhyped.
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On July 13 2007 03:18 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:17 boghat wrote:On July 13 2007 03:16 GTR-2-Go wrote: Hmm, it's obvious that Flash does not want to touch the game past the 15 minute mark.
Thus the timing factory rush? Why did he 14cc then? You guys got to stop thinking FlaSh is all about early wins. uh, he 14cc because he's not confident going into a long game without a risky ass advantage like 14cc, it shows how NOT confident he is with a normal long game opposite of what you said You might be right but 14cc usually shows a player is ready for a longer game. Unless he was lying in his winner's interview against Bisu he seems confident in his long game. I'm pretty sure he only did the build he did the second game because of the tech he saw (FE) at GGPlay's base.
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oov, along with crappy maps like Luna, introduced the way Terrans play today, which is obviously macro-based.
If it weren't for maps or oov, we'd still be seeing 3rax Spark rushes.
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On July 13 2007 03:21 boghat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:18 Hot_Bid wrote:On July 13 2007 03:17 boghat wrote:On July 13 2007 03:16 GTR-2-Go wrote: Hmm, it's obvious that Flash does not want to touch the game past the 15 minute mark.
Thus the timing factory rush? Why did he 14cc then? You guys got to stop thinking FlaSh is all about early wins. uh, he 14cc because he's not confident going into a long game without a risky ass advantage like 14cc, it shows how NOT confident he is with a normal long game opposite of what you said You might be right but 14cc usually shows a player is ready for a longer game. Unless he was lying in his winner's interview against Bisu he seems confident in his long game. I'm pretty sure he only did the build he did the second game because of the tech he saw (FE) at GGPlay's base. i am almost 100% sure flash was doing that build regardless of what he saw
what else is the zerg going to do but nat at the only gas location he can? 1 base?
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GTR we stil see spark rushes dont we? doesnt oov do them occasionally aswell?
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By.Flash <Python> GGplay - GAME 3
Flash WHITE at 8 GG PURPLE at 2
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thedeadhaji
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game 3 python
flash at 8 ggplay at 2
crossmap
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We'll see, 3rd game starting, should be good.
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holy shit that screech lmao
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Python
Flash white @ 8h GgPlay purple @ 2h
Think ggplay won it. White color always loss.
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Both players check their adjacent spots, FLash doing it by sending a scv to check for a overlord.
GGplay 12 hatches at his nat. 11 pool at his main.
Flash 8 depot, 10 rax.
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On July 13 2007 03:25 Tudazul wrote:Python Flash white @ 8h GgPlay purple @ 2h Think ggplay won it. White color always loss. thats probably the fairest prediction in a while
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On July 13 2007 03:25 Tudazul wrote:Python Flash white @ 8h GgPlay purple @ 2h Think ggplay won it. White color always loss. hahaha rekrul can verify this one
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ggplay scouts to 1 first, sees nothing.
flash moves his scv to the bottom of the base to check for an OL, sees nothing, rax at his ramp I think? scv scout to 1 first, ggplay 12 hatch at nat then pool.
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On July 13 2007 03:26 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:25 Tudazul wrote:Python Flash white @ 8h GgPlay purple @ 2h Think ggplay won it. White color always loss. hahaha rekrul can verify this one rofl hahaha
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flash playing.. straight up : D lets see if he can do good now
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flash cc's at his nat after just 1 rax, ggplay's drone scout sees this. for some reason flash sends his first rine towards the 11 expo? trying to catch an OL i guess?
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what the heck is flash doing?
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Flash FEs to his nat. Only has a couple of marines out so far.
GGplay lays his 3rd hatch inbetween his main and natural. His expo completes, drones mining there now.
Flash constantly sending his marines to corner 10, looking for ovies to pop I think.
First handful of lings from GGplay hatch, chase Flash's scout scv around
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On July 13 2007 03:26 MaGic~PhiL wrote: flash playing.. straight up : D lets see if he can do good now I seem to recall flash having a pretty good FE build for this map
Defended vs jaedongs ling rush very well and it was pretty 1 sided from then on
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ggplay makes 3rd hatch on his ramp, scv scout is sitting in the main, as lings pop out and start chasing it.
lair starts at nat, as flash adds ebay and acad off of 1 rax.
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GGplay morphs his natural hatch into a lair and gets second gas as well. Sunken goes up at his nat.
FLash's natural is done, scvs transfered and mining.
Flash ups his barracks count to 3. Has a 8ish marine group defend his nat from zerglings.
GG getting a spire. Academy finishes for Flash
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ggplay places his lings in front of flash's choke, flash with 6 rines or so atm. adding 2nd and 3rd rax and scanners, ggplay starts his spire as flash's first medic pops out.
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this game could last longer than the others.. omg im so excited : D
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2 sunkens go up at GG's nat. He sends out a force of 10-12 lings to check on Flash's army.
Flash has a large MMF group moving out. Flash is indecisive though, doesn't want to leave his main unprotected.
GGplay finishes his Spire. He also expoes to the 7 main.
Flash turreting up his min lines.
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ggplay moves a drone to the 6 main as flash moves out with mmf, drone is located behind the 6 minerals atm.
flash with a scv block at his main ramp with rines behind, spire is done. mmf returns to the nat after going halfway out.
hatchery starts at the 6 main for ggplay, an scv went to check the 5 expo and saw nothing. turrets going up and main and nat now~~
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first mutas are out, gathering up at the nat.
scv scout goes to the 6 main, and finds the morphing hatchery.
mutas arrive to terran main.
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i think ggplay had a hydra den and evo chamber going in his main there.
flash moves out with his mmf a bit, ggplay picking off some units there but largely unsuccessful.
ggplay moves 2 hydras to 6 main ramp from his main, trying to buy time with his mutas for lurker research to finsih, he JUST gets enough extra time for the eggs to start
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Mutas done for GGplay, he sends them towards Flash as he morphs a Hydra Den.
GGplay harassing Flash's army. GGplay loses a lot of muta health, flying too close to FLash's infantry blobs and clumps of turrets.
GGplay blocks the ramp at 7 with double lurker eggs to prevent Flash from marching in and destroying it.
Flash finishes a sci facility.
Flash kills the lurkers and lings, marches into GG's expo at 7!!
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mm killing muta 2 lurkers at ramp and zergling.
wow
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great execution by flash. ggplay definetly going defliers at this point. Hes gotta play catchup before the big ball of death comes.
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mmf firing at the lurker eggs, 1 egg dies, scan goes ahead of time, 1 lurker burrows, and the muta ling attack intot he mmf melts as well. all mutas die, 1 more lurker morphs inside the 6 main and 3 mor elurkers come from the main, but 2 of them immediatley die to the mnm.
hatchery dies, lurkers burrowed in irrelevant areas atm.
ggplay starts hatch at 1 main, and starts hive.
flash goign up to 7 raxes
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flash makes 2nd ebay, has 2 tanks and 1 vessle as well as his ball looks to make its move.
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hive starting, here is the fun part folks.
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Flash is able to raze the expo to the ground, although his force has been depleted significantly from the mutas and lurkers.
GGplay just expoes to the 1 main.
Flash ups his barracks count to 7. He also lays down 3 bunkers at his nat.
Flash blob moving out with 2 tanks and a sci vessel.GGplay macroing up lurkerling.
We'll see how strong Flash's lategame is.
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fuckign nice flank by ggplay. kills all tanks.
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lategame of 2 base terran vs 2 base zerg sounds pretty good for flash
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ggplay has 4 lurkers in a row outside the 6 nat, flash is inching forward with his ball, ggplay tries to snipe the vessles with scourge but fails.
flahs tried to build a cc at 6 main displaced but a ling catches it and he cancels.
ggplay now flanks flash's army from the south, as flash moves out, immediately kills the 2 tanks with lurker lings and moves away when teh mm comes.
hive ids done, defiler mound morhping, 1 main is done for ggplay, but terran army is moving there, irrad on his lurkers above cliff. nydus morhping at nat~~
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nice ggplay move, killing all 3 tanks at middle of map.
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Poor army movement from Flash gets caught by a good flank from GGplay. GG kills both of Flash's tanks and runs before the marines can get them.
GG's expo at 1 has finished. Lurkers rush to defend it from Flash's army.
HIVE has finished for GGplay. Nydus canal morphing.
Marines start to raze the hatchery at 1. It dies. Flash expoing to corner 10.
Flash's blob moving around the middle. GGplay roving about with cracklings and lurks.
GGplay expoes to corner 5, but it is scouted and FLash moves to put it down.
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flash busts through the ramp by irradiating the lurkers on ramp.
ggplay clears a small mm army at the 5 expo, and sends a drone there.
1 main expo dies for ggplay.
defiler mound done.
flash moving another army though the middle down towards 5, as ggplay does his best to reduce reinforcements with lings.
flash has expanded to 11 expo and is maynarding
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Ggplay can comeback, but hes gonna need to pull off some maestro tactics here.
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these games are so fucked up........ don't wanna see the finals anymore..... it will be iris owning flash or iris owning ggplay
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GGplay moves to kill off Flash's new expo at 10 with a handful of lurkers.
SWARM goes up. FOUR TIMES. GGplay is able to burrow his lurkers safely near Flash's mineral line. Vessels come to irridiate the lurkers though.
Flash moves to shut down GG's expo at 6. He loses a TON of marines to shitty control.
WTF FLASH LOSES MOST OF HIS BLOB TO SWARM LURKERS AND FLASH NOT PAYING ATTENTION WTF
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holy shit he SAVED THAT EXPO NO FUCKING WAY
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ggplay pushing into the 11 expo with lurker ling defiler, although with a pitifully low number of units.
flash sends his vessel cloud there and calmly irradiates everything.
ggplay putting up a lurker swarm defense at his nat as well against flash's main army.
ggplay with hatches at both 6 main and 1 island, nydus is up at the 6 main, ggplay tries to defend with swarm, as the nydus goes down. ggplay escaped 1/2 his drones through nydus, he send lurker reinf by land and jus tbarely lives the attack.
3 lurkers on ramp there, but flash has liek 8 vessles, irradiated right away.
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look slike ggplay is ... PLAGUE ON 6 VESSLES
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Tyrio..he didnt lose them from not paying attention ...he sacrificed them to take out nydus because ggplay defended very well.
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oops ggplay i think is geting the 1 main, not the 1 island i thinik? my mistake
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i am not impressed at all from ggplays game.
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come on flash pull some restoration fbh-style magic out of you!
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oh man, GGplay is so screw with all those vessels
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and as the 1 main finsihes, flahs immidiatley makes his move.
ggplay nyduses lurker ling, but his shit is ALLLLL irradiated. another playgue on the vessles, 1 of them dies but that is all.
MUTALISKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKk
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any chance u could use terms the 6 nat or something, all these clock numbers are confusing
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still big advantage for flash, but wth @ the fight vs dswarm
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art muta~ Great defense...Flash wins. Ah unless Ggplay has a great tactic for next game, this is gonna be flash's to take.
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ggplay does kill like 7 vessles with that mutalisk, but subsequently gg's.
flash 2 - 1 ggplay
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haha those vessels
whats score?
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Flash is macroing from 7 barracks though, so he is able to macro up a new army rather quickly.
A HUGE blob of vessels and a MMF army raze GG's expo attempt at 6.
An expo from Flash finishes at the 12 nat expo. Flash maynards a ton of scvs there.
Flash moves up the ramp to take out GG's expo at the 1 main. All of his vessels are at 1 hp and GG tries to do the muta trick to take them out. MArines save them.
Muta from GGplay takes out all of Flash's vessels, but FLash marches into GGplay's natural and he GGs.
Flash > GGplay Flash 2-1
Flash won a long game oh snaps! Granted, his large army control seemed subpar, he lost a ton of marines he shouldn't have lost at 6 from lurkers and swarm.
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flash is 15
that still baffles me
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On July 13 2007 03:42 Tyrio wrote: Flash is macroing from 7 barracks though, so he is able to macro up a new army rather quickly.
A HUGE blob of vessels and a MMF army raze GG's expo attempt at 6.
An expo from Flash finishes at the 12 nat expo. Flash maynards a ton of scvs there.
Flash moves up the ramp to take out GG's expo at the 1 main. All of his vessels are at 1 hp and GG tries to do the muta trick to take them out. MArines save them.
Muta from GGplay takes out all of Flash's vessels, but FLash marches into GGplay's natural and he GGs.
Flash > GGplay Flash 2-1
Flash won a long game oh snaps! Granted, his large army control seemed subpar, he lost a ton of marines he shouldn't have lost at 6 from lurkers and swarm. His control was great considering the level of his macro...
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Are people convinced of Flash yet?
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oh man it seems like ggplay is going down =(
flash macro was scary that whole 3rd game... his army was at least 2x that of ggplay whjole game
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This reminded me of Savior Iris on Arkanoid. 4 lings, 2 lurkers and a defiler defending expos vs 40+ M&Ms. Too bad he lost
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ceremony galore commerical
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On July 13 2007 03:43 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:42 Tyrio wrote: Flash is macroing from 7 barracks though, so he is able to macro up a new army rather quickly.
A HUGE blob of vessels and a MMF army raze GG's expo attempt at 6.
An expo from Flash finishes at the 12 nat expo. Flash maynards a ton of scvs there.
Flash moves up the ramp to take out GG's expo at the 1 main. All of his vessels are at 1 hp and GG tries to do the muta trick to take them out. MArines save them.
Muta from GGplay takes out all of Flash's vessels, but FLash marches into GGplay's natural and he GGs.
Flash > GGplay Flash 2-1
Flash won a long game oh snaps! Granted, his large army control seemed subpar, he lost a ton of marines he shouldn't have lost at 6 from lurkers and swarm. His control was great considering the level of his macro... its happening.... its finally happening
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god ggplay was soo far behind but was still showing much better unit control, I thought he actually was making a comeback. flashs macro was just too much though
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OMG, can someone rip and upload that Kung Fu Fighting mix? hilarious stuff!
EDIT: and if someone can do the same for the Lullaby one (find it in SK vs hanbit game 3 on the vod tracker) that would be really cool! =)
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It's important to remember that if Flash wins, everyone loses.
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his tvsz gamestyle is quite similar to sea[shield]
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On July 13 2007 03:44 Evilmonkey. wrote: god ggplay was soo far behind but was still showing much better unit control, I thought he actually was making a comeback. flashs macro was just too much though
with a handfull of games flash goes from cheese luck terran to a macro terran WOOT! GO FLASH > IRIS FINALS WOOOT
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On July 13 2007 03:44 DJEtterStyle wrote: It's important to remember that if Flash wins, everyone loses. If Flash somehow beats Iris though that would be fucking incredible.
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god noooooooo i do not want a tvt final please ggplay take this
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flash will win now on monty hall with some vulture hop
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At this rate we'll only have a 4 game semifinal. Come on GGplay, pull something out of the hat on monty.
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On July 13 2007 03:46 boghat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:44 DJEtterStyle wrote: It's important to remember that if Flash wins, everyone loses. If Flash somehow beats Iris though that would be fucking incredible. However if Iris beats flash, that will also be incredible. 2 top rate terrans duking it out. Whoever wins is incredible
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On July 13 2007 03:44 DJEtterStyle wrote: It's important to remember that if Flash wins, everyone loses. TvT Final gonna suck ass.
But I hope they do another super fight with msl champ vs osl champ...
I just don't see GGplay as a champion...same with stork. They don't have that "extra" something. Flash has a great intuitive set of skills, but I wonder, how long he can keep this up.
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Well, I thought a longer game would be more entertaining, but that was pretty ugly save a few choice moments.
Flash's control gets pretty bad in longer games (which is why it's justified to say what people say about his late game being worse than his early game), but he just macroed off the advantage he had and won.
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no offence intended zealbomb, but you are just riddiculously negative
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On July 13 2007 03:46 Evilmonkey. wrote: god noooooooo i do not want a tvt final please ggplay take this
my thoughts exactly X___X
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wow, damn i voted ggplay, but now i'm on the flash bandwagon. that was really impressive. the minimap was just swarming with white troops moving all over the place. and great timing and control too, minus that time where he sacrified to take out the nydus
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So guys, who do u think will cheese?
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my money is on flash on the cheese..
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Hmm..GGplay should pull off a silly build here. I would love for him to try the gas-mineral cheese here.
But a standard fight wouldn't mind. Ggplay isn't the cheesing type to me anyways.
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On July 13 2007 03:47 Zealbomb! wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:44 DJEtterStyle wrote: It's important to remember that if Flash wins, everyone loses. TvT Final gonna suck ass. But I hope they do another super fight with msl champ vs osl champ... I just don't see GGplay as a champion...same with stork. They don't have that "extra" something. Flash has a great intuitive set of skills, but I wonder, how long he can keep this up.
often we view a player's attribute as that "extra" only after they get their first victory.
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On July 13 2007 03:45 oshibori_probe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:44 Evilmonkey. wrote: god ggplay was soo far behind but was still showing much better unit control, I thought he actually was making a comeback. flashs macro was just too much though
with a handfull of games flash goes from cheese luck terran to a macro terran WOOT! GO FLASH > IRIS FINALS WOOOT
I really don't think his macro was ever called into question. It's his multitasking that has caused for moments like this last game where he lets his marines walk single file up a ramp over a lurker for a painstaking amount of time, not specifically his micro or macro.
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i think flash won't cheese now . if he lose he may cheese on game 5 but not here
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There is NOTHING wrong with a TvT final.
Anyone remember Boxer vs oov? Now THAT was a final.
Although it's Flash and Iris, your going to expect some quality action atleast.
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On July 13 2007 03:51 QibingZero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:45 oshibori_probe wrote:On July 13 2007 03:44 Evilmonkey. wrote: god ggplay was soo far behind but was still showing much better unit control, I thought he actually was making a comeback. flashs macro was just too much though
with a handfull of games flash goes from cheese luck terran to a macro terran WOOT! GO FLASH > IRIS FINALS WOOOT I really don't think his macro was ever called into question. It's his multitasking that has caused for moments like this last game where he lets his marines walk single file up a ramp over a lurker for a painstaking amount of time, not specifically his micro or macro.
just let him mature a little bit
its his first OSL, so ofcourse he still has some jagged edges
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TvT finals.. I so don't want that, PvP finals is more than enough, we've seen enough TvT and PvP mirror matchups this season to last for a lifetime, I'd actually chose a lame ZvZ finals just for being so sick of the other two -_- Please GGPlay do something!
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monty hall
flash at 1 ggplay at 5
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Flash <Monty Hall> GGplay - GAME 4
Flash ORANGE at 11 GGplay WHITE at 5
GGplay is white! Apparently he's going to lose.
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Thats because it had BOXER in it
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On July 13 2007 03:51 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:47 Zealbomb! wrote:On July 13 2007 03:44 DJEtterStyle wrote: It's important to remember that if Flash wins, everyone loses. TvT Final gonna suck ass. But I hope they do another super fight with msl champ vs osl champ... I just don't see GGplay as a champion...same with stork. They don't have that "extra" something. Flash has a great intuitive set of skills, but I wonder, how long he can keep this up. often we view a player's attribute as that "extra" only after they get their first victory. Ah its sorta out like..out of a sports movie. When I saw anytime go on his first ODT, I'm like, damn that kids got that extra something, straight up, intensive full on full games, and going through an entire array of veterans...yeah.
Flash is looking like that guy, but I wonder if he can pull it off. Would be great.
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On July 13 2007 03:52 GTR-2-Go wrote: There is NOTHING wrong with a TvT final.
Anyone remember Boxer vs oov? Now THAT was a final.
Although it's Flash and Iris, your going to expect some quality action atleast. TvT on these maps actually might be better than another TvZ
but still PvP finals, get the freak on
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4th game
Monty Hall
GgPlay white right bott @ 5h Flash orange left top @ 1h
hahahahaha, Ggplay another time with white color = loss and Flash going to final.
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GGplay hops a drone into the bottem lane. Lays a 12 hatch at the 6 expo.
Flash looks to be 14 ccing. He builds a CC near his top mineral block.
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hmm ggplay goes straight west with his first OL.. .kinda waird.
ggplay pushes drone into left lane, and 12 hatch there.
flash 14cc at the right mineral wall
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ggplay's got balls. Dual expo woo.
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commentators saying "no pool 3 hatch" and that's what ggplay does, expanding to the right lane as well now.
he has 1 drone each mining out the respective mineral walls. rax starts for flash
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GGplay lays a THIRD hatch before pool. Expoes to the top lane at 4.
Flash sends a scout down the top lane. GGplay finally gets a pool and gas.
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Perfect counter to 14 cc...smart play by ggplay in picking this build.
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Ofcourse flash could play like FE from 14cc and get a few rines, take another expo and this would be the ultimate macro whoreoff
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Or just a macro game depending on how you look at it...
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a scout goes down the right lane and is chilling at the right nat of ggplay, lings now chase scv.
cc is flatign into flash's right nat now, flash also minign out the south mineral wall atm.
acad just about finishes for ggplay. ggplay's lair finishes, just as he starts 2nd gas, and now spire starts.
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Flash using his new CC to completely mine away his top mineral block. He adds a second barracks after his first finishes as well.
GGplay getting a lair. Some lings hatch to chase some of Flash's scvs around.
Both expoes from GGplay have finished. Flash's expo has finished as well, he lands his CC at the 12 spot in the top lane.
Small chase the zergling battle with Flash's marines around the top lane.
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Ahhh mass ling...same thing as last tvz on monty^^
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ggplay not mining from teh right nat yet, i think he's still mining out the mineral wall?
ggplay with about 15 lings running up the right lane, flash moving down that lane with mmf, but the midc is late, 5 rines 1 bat dies to lings.
ggplay making sunks at the right nat now, 2 going up.
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these mutas shall claim lives
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1 sunk done with another coming, as flash reaches the front of the nat.
flash goign up the 3 raxes and adding a fact, spire is done.
ggplay runs 5 lings into flash's nat and kills a scv and 3 rines, OH MAN GGPLAY RUNNING 10 LINGS UP THE LEFT LANE JUUSTTTT AS FLASH MINES IT OUT
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SMASH! GG ought to win this!
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GG runs a largeish group of speedlings towards Flash's expo and catch his army unawares, killing several marines. Flash has bats ready though, snd kill off the lings before they can attack his natural.
GG's spire has finished.
A gruop of lings rush up the bottem lane towards Flash. An overlord watches FLash mine the last mineral blcok away!
8ish lings wreack havoc in FLashs base! Killing off scvs left and right!
MUTAS COMING TO RAPE OMG.
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flash going up the 5 raxes, and ggplay is hacking away at the raxes with his lings.
mutas are out, flash pulls back his infantry, TURRETS ARE LATE
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damn it, why no bunker this time?
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On July 13 2007 03:59 yubee wrote: these mutas shall claim lives or a few turrets shall claim GGPlay's last chance
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ggplay goes on a killing spree with his mutas as there is a low # of rines and NO TURRETS IN MAIN, and liek 5 firebats.
all scvs run to the nat where there are 2 yturrets, ggplay kills scvs there then goes back to the main to pick off remaiing svs there, and now the rines
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amazing lings flank, using left way of map after scv give all of 1 mineral block. over saw it and lings run into flash base.
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lings runnign up the right lane now too, and hive starts as well
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On July 13 2007 04:01 oshibori_probe wrote:or a few turrets shall claim GGPlay's last chance YA RLY? let's view his turret timing OOPS LATE
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OMG TONS OF MUTA WTF.
GGplay basically kills all of Flash's main min scvs as they flee towards his also unprotected nat.
Flash trying desperately to gith back with a tiny group of marines. GGplay flies his mutas away though.
AS 1-2 groups of lings crash into Flash's nat! Mutaling RAPES Flash's army!
OMFG hive overkill.
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Wow incredible insight by GGplay. He deserves to win this.
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mugas come from middles lane as the lings run in, ggplay goes straight for the rines and ignores the bats, lings die but so do many rines, and mutas pick off the firebats that are left.
lurkers coming~~~
ggplay expanding to the 2nd nat in the left lane, as he starts defiler mound.
lurkers burrow at the nat of flash
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hmmm, kinda like how savior actually won a zvt on desert fox
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flash with 1 tank out, ggplay attempts to pick it off with muta ling but cant quite do it.
5 lurkers at the right lane, siege is researching.
greater spire for ggplay, guards incoming
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ggplay has 2 mutas in deep red health in th emiddle lane that he'll be using, he's sending 3 lurkers up the left lane now as well
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The atmosphere is really nice.
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Defilers coming. Mound is morphing. Lurker rushing towards Flash\'s natural. Flash still busy with mutas.
Lurkers raze the turrets at Flash\' natural .Flash wisely runs all his scvs away.
GGplay going double defiler mound for quick upgrades. GREATER SPIRE.
Overkill really. 3 base zerg to 1 base-I-just-got-all-my-scvs-raped Terran?
GGplay waiting for his spire to finish for guardians so he can wipe FLash out spectactularly.
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3 guards start to morph, as flash tries to regain control of his nat.
defiler is out though, going up the right lane.
3 lurkers burrow at the main mineral line of flash, and guards finsih morphing as well.
flash gives ggplay a "gg yo" and types out.
2-2~~~~~~~~~~
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Flash is no fun, GGs as guardians start to fire on his blob.
GGplay takes it to the fifth game, winning on the zerg graveyard Monty Hall!
GGplay > Flash Flash 2-2 GGplay
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MOST. PERFECT. TIMING. EVAR
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GG!!! Nice!
Missed the 3 first matches so im glad it will be 3:2 either way! ::o
Go flash last on though..
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LOL that guy with the drunk shirt has to be yooi looool
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Yooi wearing his \"I get totally drunk\" T-shirt. boot girl looks bored.
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On July 13 2007 04:05 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Flash put "gg yo".
he has done that in the first game, too.
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3 lurker comes to main from left side. dian ready and flash left game.
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now THAT was entertaining! COME ON GGPLAY
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cMON FLASH YOU CNA DO THIS SHITTTT!
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THAT IS HOW YOU FUCKING ZVT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
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both game 1 and 4 Flash dug his own grave.
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meh, shoulda BBSed his ass
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On July 13 2007 04:08 oshibori_probe wrote: meh, shoulda BBSed his ass still time in game 5 to do this
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On July 13 2007 04:06 lostman wrote: now THAT was entertaining! COME ON GGPLAY Indeed ^^.
If Flash wins a similar way, I wouldn't mind that either. But I don't see Flash doing that next game, but who knows? Maybe he'll surprise me.
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On July 13 2007 04:07 Evilmonkey. wrote: THAT IS HOW YOU FUCKING ZVT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
yes you should always make 2hatch before pool zvt
that is how it is played!
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Of all the places GGplay wins under immense pressure. Well done GGplay, you brought this to 5 games and brought yourself back into it. Well done. <3
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On July 13 2007 04:08 Plexa wrote:id rather see stork pvt than pvz, so ggplay better fucking win stork? he is in Mars now. Unless you are talking about 3&4th place.
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Go GGPlay
TvT final will suck
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GGPlay played so perfect omg !!
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I reckon that game came down to that mineral block on that left lane.
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omfg T_T flash could\'ve defended that if he didnt mind that last 8 mineral at the left side . ggplay wouldnt be able to do the flank
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On July 13 2007 04:08 Hot_Bid wrote:still time in game 5 to do this I know its a wild hope but id really like flash to do a 2 port wraith.
I havent seen that in sooooo long.
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GGPlay is really an interesting player. Sometimes he is just not so impressive, but other times he is downright scary. That last game vs Hwasin I felt the same way about when I was watching it. He just hits his sweet spot and starts making EVERY right move.
Of course, we'll see if he can actually pull it off this next game.
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I would not mind watching an IriS vs FlaSh final at all.
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He 100% wont 2 port wraith
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flash up then flash off flash (into the finals of course :D)
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We've been force fed PvP and TvT all season long, please give us a ZvT finals ffs!
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I wanna report game 5!! So intense!!! Game about to start!!
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Hmm never seen a game from these positions...Nostalgia vs RoV oO
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well hmm, what would be better a TvT and a PvZ, or a TvZ and a PvT?
Ima go with TvT and a PvZ
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Flash <Monghwan> GGplay - GAME 5
Flash WHITISHPEACH? at 5. Ride of Valks GGplay RED at 2. Nostalgia
I hope Flash wins this and then goes on to win the finals (longshot) just because as the royal raoder it's the most exciting and dramatic. Iris or GGplay on the same wall as Savior and Nada and Boxer seems kinda...out of place to me =O
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fantasy
flash at rov (5) ggplay at nostalgia (1)
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Map @ Fantasy Flash @ 5 GGplay @ 1
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Why has it got 2 names? Fantasy and Monghwan?
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white color teory failed on last 4th game, let´s see on this final one.
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On July 13 2007 04:13 Tyrio wrote: Flash <Monghwan> GGplay - GAME 5
Flash WHITISHPEACH? at 5. Ride of Valks GGplay RED at 2. Nostalgia
I hope Flash wins this and then goes on to win the finals (longshot) just because as the royal raoder it's the most exciting and dramatic. Iris or GGplay on the same wall as Savior and Nada and Boxer seems kinda...out of place to me =O This whoole osl season is a blasphemy to the gods
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couldn't flash build a supply near the left minerals so it would close the entrance?
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Flash..did you just...no you didn't...
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GGplay 12 hatches to his natural and sends out a drone scout as well.
OMFG
14 CC FLASH YOU DUMBASS WTF OMFG
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GG play 12 hatch Flash going 14 CC AGAIN OMG HE HAS BALLS
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OL going for the xenosky main (11), and ggplay sends 2 drones to the nat and places hatch and scouts with each of them.
It appears that flash will be 14cc'ing again, but DRONE INCOMING
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christ no, not again with teh 14cc
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14 cc again. but this time could be good.
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haha, i can't believe he's making 14 cc again!
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drone is harassing the scv, flash brings in a 2nd scv to help defend, starts rax near ramp, ggplay with impressive drone range shot micro.
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14 cc is great vs 12 hatch at nat-- Wtf are you guys talking about.
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GG play 3 hatch Flash building 2 barracks after cc
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Flash is lucky, it\'s a long ass distance from Nostalgia to Ride of Valkyries.
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GGplay harassing the builder scv with his drone, forces Flash to send another scv to defend it and switch with.
Flash quickly throws down 2 raxes. He doesn't want a repeat of game 1.
GGplay morphs another hatchery at his nat and sends 6 lings towards Flash.
Flash throws up a bunker.
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god given the positions this is perfect will be hard for GG play to get a 3rd base now
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Bunker up Looking good for Flash at start this time
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ggplay STILL going with his drone harass, now makes his way up the ramp and sees 2 raxes going up.
ggplay adds 3rd hatch below his main ramp. drone MAY have gotten an scv kill before dying in flash's main.
first lings out, but flash putting up a bunker between nat cc and ramp, lings wont be able to do much.
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Even at a short distance, if managed properly, he wouldn't be in any danger from a 12 hatch.
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I told u guys, would come down to the luck of the draw with map pos
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On July 13 2007 04:16 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: 14 cc is great vs 12 hatch at nat-- Wtf are you guys talking about.
i don't think he scouted the 12 hatch before he CC'd =)
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Flash scouts the 3rd hatch Academy going up Lair going up for Ggplay
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lings repelled, flash is getting his gas, as flash starts to mine his gas.
acad starts for flash, flash really trying to get a scout on ggplay, giving it multiple tries with scv scouts, but ggplay stymies him each time with lings.
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Flash's just in time bunker saves his main and natural to any zerglings molestation.
GGplay getting his 2nd gas. His lair is morphing now. He stops a scout scv from getting into his main.
Flash builds a 3rd barracks now. His academy and eng bay have finished.
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You told us?
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zerg doing gas at exp and scv doing bay, sorry didnt see academy before
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Spire going up first wave of mnm going towards gg play's nat
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3rd rax going up, as flash once again gives a scv scout a try, scv being chased into the xenosky area by a ling.
ggplay morphing 3 sunks as he starts his spire.
first mmf group chilling at flash's nat... okay they decide to move out
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lings are positioned behind the mmf, and the infantry sit in front of the nostalgia bridges.
spire dine now.
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ggplay looking to trap mnm force on the bridge
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speedlings pick off a medic from the mmf group without any damage incurred
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Flash moving out with his initial MMF group. GGplay running about with about a group of lings.
GGplay morphs 4 sunkens at his nat. Flash won't be able to break them with his current army.
Flash retreats his army home to deal with inc mutas. A Medic is ninja killed by zerglings.
Spire has finished for GGplay. Flash gangbangs a ovie at his nat.
Mass mutas incoming omg. Flash mass turrets up.
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Gg play making mutas Turrets going up for Flash and factory also Flash kills an overlord XD
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missed like everythign just now DIDUIADFJSDG
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factory starts for flash, 2 scans go off, 1 in main area and 1 at the gamea main i think? oh 1 scan was to kill an ol above teh nat cliff area but flash fails to snag the kill
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On July 13 2007 04:18 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:You told us? you got told
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mutas come, and FLASH NOT READY WITH TURRETS, SCVs dying at flash's main, infantry picked off as they scatter in the main.
WHERE ARE FLASH"S MEDICS GOING WTF
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GGplay's mutas fly into main whike his army is away. GGplay picks off like 4 marines and several mutas with no losses.
5-6 more marines die. Flash you suck -_-;;
GGplay has hydras up now. Flash has a great deal of MMF.
Lurkers morphing!
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Hydras and lurkers goign up GREAT muta micro by Gg play
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flash with 3 turrets at nat, zero at main. medics went to xenosky for some reason, now coming back towards the main.
evo and den for ggplay, lurkers morphing.
starport starts for flash, lurkers are ready as ggplay finishes his hatch at the gamea main
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1st mutas kill 4,5 scv and like 7,8 rines.
4 lurkers egg doing at middle of map. fac add on near complete. mm is coming to middle of map.
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oops sorry i mean xenosky (11 main)
lurkers burrow ... STOP LURKERS IN FRONT OF THE 11 choke (in front of mineral only.
sci facility going up, hive starts as well.
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Stop lurkers by Gg play flash scouting 11 O' CLock expansion of ggplay's
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GGplay completes an expo to the 10ish main at Xenosky. He even sends a lurker entourage to protect the drones.
4 stop lurkers at the choke into Xenosky.
Flash finishes a factory and starts his 5th barracks.
Decent army for Flash, but GGplay has a large number of lurkers and his mutas.
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scv scout sees teh 11 main expo of ggplay, ggplay with lurker ling in middle of the map.
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flash inching his way up the map with 2.5 groups of mnm, hatch starts at teh 11 nat now as well, a ling sneaks into the terran main and gets a scout. flash off of 6 raxes or so.
a scary looking ball is moving in the middle of the map, ggplay with like 10 lurkers
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FLASH GOES OUT GG PLAY GOES TO HIS NAT
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Flash moving out with a large infantry blob with 2 tanks and a vessel.
GGplay has a HUGE HUGE OMG army of lurkerlingmuta!
Flash moves towards 8, GGplay goes around, heading towards Flash's nat!
Flash rushes tod efend!
FLASH'S NAT FALLS IN LIKE 3 SECONDS HOLY SHIT
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WHOA JULY-ESQUE PLAY RIGHT THERE.
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GGPLAY MAKING HIS MOVE
He's countereing the nat with muta ling lurker attack, flash has to move his army back to try ot deal with this, lurkers phsing their way up the ramp now, mutas are all dead, but about 8 lurekrs still left, and they all move up the ramp, defiler mound is done in ggplay's main, lurekrs burrow near the raxes, vessel and tank working on clearing the ramp lurkers
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GGPLAY HAS LURKERS AT THE RAMP, NO WAY FOR FLASH TO DEFEND
LURKERS RUSH INTO FLASH'S MAIN!
Holy crap tons of reinforcements at GG's nat
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Hmm flash looks okay, this is still anyone's game. GGplay starting to pump from his 4th expo.
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fuck this kid iris 3:0 in the finals^^
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gogo power outage regame!
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FLAsh clears the attack Defilers out for ggplay
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nydus is up to the 11 main, 3 lurkers still in flash's main, scourge are seen now as well.
1 scourge hits a dropship, but the 2nd one dies.
ggplay massing up lurker ling defiler scourge at his nat behidn the bridge.
flash with about 8 scvs in his main that arent mining (that escaped lurkers)
FLASH WITH DROP AT 11 MAIN, but lurker and lings there to defend
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Flash drops GGplays expo at 8. Attack is put down by zerglings.
Flash has saved his main and nat from GGplay's attack surprisingly. He's mining at his nat and main.
Flash tries to expo to his min only. 3 lurkers put the attempt down and rape a good chunk of marines.
Flash trying to move against GG's expoes at 8. Swarm blocking him.
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flash starts his mineral only, as ggplay brings 3 lurkers there.
defiler lurker ling defense by ggplay at the area b/w teh 11 main and mineral only, pushing back flash's ball
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mm drop to legacy exp, lings defend it
flash making cc at natural without gas expo.
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AHHH FAT COWS FAT COWS YESSSS
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Ultralisk Cavern going up for gg play
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ggplay kills a vessle with scourge, he's going for a flank from behind on flash's ball, swarm on the infantry but flash manages to survive with most of his infantry.
ULTRA CAVERNnNNNn
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GGPlay is playing really good atm!
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omg, this is a great game 5!!!!
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flash's mineral only is up, he's getting vultures now as well as 2nd ebay.
ggplay is getting the 11 mineral only as well as the 3 mineral only.
flash setting up a defense at the rov high ground, going for a drop at the 11 main as well.
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flash is to gosu to loose to ultras!
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Flash is driven back by swarm lurker/ling flank. Flash retreats his army.
ULTRA CAVERN COMING.
GGplay has 4.5 bases. Flash has 3.
Flash moving about with his MMF block and vessels. He again tries to move against the bases at 8.
Flash tries to drop, but GGplay has sunkens up.
GGplay makes a small attack on Flash's forces at home. He kills some tanks and plagues some marines. Flash keeps losing vessels to scourge.
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flash's main group of infantry was reduced in number by a swarm attack, and ggplay is now making massive numbers of lings, pushing his way into the mineral only of flash.
ggplay's doubel mineral only expansions are done.
flash expanding to the gamea nat, ggplay knows it's going up.
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MASS ULTRAS MORPHING?!?!
Nope just a bunch of zerglings.
GGplay is constantly bleeding a lot of Flash's forces with constant swarmcrack attacks.
Flash moving to expo to Gaema Gowon's min only.
ULTRAS COMING NOW?!
8 ULTRAS HATCH.
ITS COW TIME
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I am so happy we got to game 5. Wonderful, wonderful TvZ/ZvT.
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ggplay with swarm + lings at the rov, throws a plague on the infantry as well, pushing flash back.
flash cant find a good place to drop his infantry at 11, decides to unload above the main ramp.
1 vessle dies to scourge, ANOTHER DIES despite being above infantry.
flash\'s drop is ealth with by plague and lings.
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Lol the crowd goes nuts when 8 or so ultras hatch.
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now pumping ultras like lings before^^
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ULTRA RAPE OOOOMMMMMMMMGGGGGGGG
Flash's army is RAPED by mass ultras. Swaarm doesn't even need to go up.
Several cows and lukerling start to attack Flash's min only.
MORE COWS RUSH DOWN TO FLASH'S NAT.
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On July 13 2007 03:45 oshibori_probe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 03:44 Evilmonkey. wrote: god ggplay was soo far behind but was still showing much better unit control, I thought he actually was making a comeback. flashs macro was just too much though
with a handfull of games flash goes from cheese luck terran to a macro terran WOOT! GO FLASH > IRIS FINALS WOOOT i'm pretty sure iris would win
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GGPlay vs IriS for the finals then.. Who would have guessed?
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It was a good run flash, we are all proud of you. Iris, give him hell.
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GG No TvT Final! THANK GOD
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flash losing all tanks
ultras coming out with plague
looks end to Terran.
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Ultracrack raping Flash's expoes.
Flash "gg yo"s as Ultras easily take his ramp!
GGplay > Flash!!! GGplay 3-2 Flash!
GGplay to meet Iris in the finals!
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Don't worry Flash, the next OSL will be yours.
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yesss! never liked the kid.
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Ultra ling plauge rips though flash's main army at rov ramp, running into mineral only, with more reinf coming
Flash types out as his nat falls,
GGPLAY 3 - 2 FLASH
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GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGPLAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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gg's, I still hope IriS wins it all.
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On July 13 2007 04:34 Cranefly wrote: yesss! never liked the kid. Indeed.
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES GGPLAY!!!!
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I must admit I now give GGPlay a 'meh' of how I thnk of him.
GG, and I think Flash did very well.
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WONDERFUL SERIES WONDERFUL
beautiful play game 4 SO GOOD
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On July 13 2007 04:33 DJEtterStyle wrote: THAT'S MY BOY.
I can't put it better.
Iris versus GGplay. Two strong players showing strong OSL performances, both with everything to prove in a TvZ final. I'm also happy Flash finally proved he can duke it out with the best of them. Flash proved himself as far more than a cheesing wonder today. He may be inexperienced, but that's all a matter of time.
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WHOOOO TVZ FINALS YESSSSSS
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It's going to be hard for OSL to superhype their finals like they did last OSL with Savior/Nada.
Hard for me to imagine Iris/GGplay dressing up like ninjas and shit.
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not even the one-flash wonder can stand up to GGplay's amazing late game/defiler play! GOGO GGPLAY OSL FINALS YOU GET IT
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ceremony? handshake? sum1 describe
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as honesttea said... bo5's are designed to keep players like flash out of the finals
the more deserved player won
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YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS This is exactly why we need a ZvT finals, NOW THATS good games to watch :-) HELL YEAH GGPlay! WELL DONE
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GG FLASH poor kid
he did well
BUT MY LIQUIBET WAS RIGHT ( i think)
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On July 13 2007 04:35 Tyrio wrote: It's going to be hard for OSL to superhype their finals like they did last OSL with Savior/Nada.
Hard for me to imagine Iris/GGplay dressing up like ninjas and shit. nada and savior didn't dress up like ninjas either
but iris/ggplay finals and flash/stork 3rd place will be a lot more entertaining
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wow. GGPlay vs Iris. I would have never guessed that even in 1 billion tries.
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After those two games. I am GGPLAY FAN!!!
But Iris...has Savior to practice with....IF Ggplay wins this...Man LOVE RIGHT THERE
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This is like the worst possible final out of the 4 semi-finalists. -_-; Well, got to live with it and hope for good games.
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two of the most awesome things from this series:
1. Flash mining out the choke in Monty Hall seconds before GGPlay runs his lings in to completely wreck the game...
2. GGPlay's ~10 unhatched eggs draw oooooo's and ahhhhh's from croud as they guess on what they were... first time, they were just zerglings, but second time ultras pop out and crowd went WILD...
such gold moments...
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On July 13 2007 04:36 Puosu wrote: This is like the worst possible final out of the 4 semi-finalists. -_-; Well, got to live with it and hope for good games. uh iris vs flash would be the worst and one sided too
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On July 13 2007 04:36 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 04:35 Tyrio wrote: It's going to be hard for OSL to superhype their finals like they did last OSL with Savior/Nada.
Hard for me to imagine Iris/GGplay dressing up like ninjas and shit. nada and savior didn't dress up like ninjas either but iris/ggplay finals and flash/stork 3rd place will be a lot more entertaining
Well, Nada and Savior didn't themsevles dress up I guess. There was that really wierd inbetween games movie of a black dressed ninja and a white dressed ninja fighting though. And they did make Nada and Savior wear these little black and white masks when they were introduced.
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GGPlay finaly in finals! its about time man! you deserve it more than anyone else, you're DUE!
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that was intense
and the flat out biggest counter attack ive ever seen in a progame zvt, especially for how early in the game it was
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Honestly GGplay is the only player around that can match saviors zvt prowess in late game/defiler play.
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On July 13 2007 04:37 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 04:36 Puosu wrote: This is like the worst possible final out of the 4 semi-finalists. -_-; Well, got to live with it and hope for good games. uh iris vs flash would be the worst and one sided too Not in my opinion as I'm a huge FlaSh fan and I don't think TvT is too bad either.
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On July 13 2007 04:37 Gokey wrote: two of the most awesome things from this series:
1. Flash mining out the choke in Monty Hall seconds before GGPlay runs his lings in to completely wreck the game...
2. GGPlay's ~10 unhatched eggs draw oooooo's and ahhhhh's from croud as they guess on what they were... first time, they were just zerglings, but second time ultras pop out and crowd went WILD...
such gold moments... Word. I was there my brother.
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and god when ggplay countered right into flashes base, that was so hot.
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On July 13 2007 04:35 Plexa wrote: as honesttea said... bo5's are designed to keep players like flash out of the finals
the more deserved player won My thoughts exactly, I'd be so pissed if Flash won, honestly how can you even compare Iris vs GGPlay amazing TvZ finals that will likely show such great games, to another TvT meh whatever :-) OSL finals going to rape MSL finals in Bo5 game quality this season :-) I'm so happy.
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On July 13 2007 04:36 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 04:35 Tyrio wrote: It's going to be hard for OSL to superhype their finals like they did last OSL with Savior/Nada.
Hard for me to imagine Iris/GGplay dressing up like ninjas and shit. nada and savior didn't dress up like ninjas either but iris/ggplay finals and flash/stork 3rd place will be a lot more entertaining i never thought about this, but it is true that id much rather have flash/stork and iris/ggplay duke it out than iris/flash and ggplay/stork
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my liquibet went down the drain but oh well, ggplay earned it and as many said before, i'd rather watch a tvz final!
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Flash choked harsh, moved his units around map and never did anything really. GGPlay deserves it, it'll be great to see a Hanbit player in the finals, it'll be better to see him win.
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good fucking games; gg to both
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On July 13 2007 04:38 Evilmonkey. wrote: Honestly GGplay is the only player around that can match saviors zvt prowess in late game/defiler play. QFT
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The only right result. Take that, hype Flash. GGPlay is so underrated. He really should win the OSL just because of that. But I think Iris will make it if he is in good form, like vs. Savior.
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On July 13 2007 04:39 VioleTAK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 04:35 Plexa wrote: as honesttea said... bo5's are designed to keep players like flash out of the finals
the more deserved player won My thoughts exactly, I'd be so pissed if Flash won, honestly how can you even compare Iris vs GGPlay amazing TvZ finals that will likely show such great games, to another TvT meh whatever :-) OSL finals going to rape MSL finals in Bo5 game quality this season :-) I'm so happy.
No way Stork vs Bisu pvp finals? PvP is awesome to watch, dunno why everyone hates it. Most exciting of the mirror matches. Plus, MSL will hopefully be able to come up with something good with Bisu being the defending champ and all.
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And geez I'm so happy all the flash fanboys will finally shut up now, I still don't understand how you can be in love with a kid thats played like 16 matches in his pro career.
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On July 13 2007 04:38 Evilmonkey. wrote: Honestly GGplay is the only player around that can match saviors zvt prowess in late game/defiler play. other very good zvst specialist with good late-defiler-game is yellow[name] , but he is not around
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On July 13 2007 04:39 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 04:37 Gokey wrote: two of the most awesome things from this series:
1. Flash mining out the choke in Monty Hall seconds before GGPlay runs his lings in to completely wreck the game...
2. GGPlay's ~10 unhatched eggs draw oooooo's and ahhhhh's from croud as they guess on what they were... first time, they were just zerglings, but second time ultras pop out and crowd went WILD...
such gold moments... Word. I was there my brother.
Haha what about when Flash 14 cc'ed the second time, that was pretty good XD
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Judging from sAvior's late performance I'd say he ocassionally overexcels him (like in the PL match vs NaDa, that was 4rt).
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FUCK MANIFESTO IS DRUNK ALRDY NOBODY GETS HIS MONEY NOOOOOOO
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On July 13 2007 04:37 Gokey wrote: two of the most awesome things from this series:
1. Flash mining out the choke in Monty Hall seconds before GGPlay runs his lings in to completely wreck the game...
2. GGPlay's ~10 unhatched eggs draw oooooo's and ahhhhh's from croud as they guess on what they were... first time, they were just zerglings, but second time ultras pop out and crowd went WILD...
such gold moments... YES. When i saw flash's scv mining and it said like 1 i was like oh shit.
And the commentators were all making a hype the first time ULTRA ULTRA than like lings pop and they laugh uncomfortably.
Iris vs. Ggplay would be nice and they both deserve it.
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never mind im a total dumbass
Actually, no!
Legend of the Spring!
Every year in Spring-time, a TvZ final (bar one, 2004, Hangame), has always occured where a Terran would emerge victorious
2001: Hanbit (BoxeR) 2002: N/A 2003: Olympus (XellOs) 2004: N/A 2005: IOPS (NaDa) 2006: Shinhan (oov) 2007: Daum (Iris?)
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ahaha i am tied with yakii in lb at 19 spot cool
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On July 13 2007 04:35 Tyrio wrote: It's going to be hard for OSL to superhype their finals like they did last OSL with Savior/Nada.
Hard for me to imagine Iris/GGplay dressing up like ninjas and shit.
totally agree
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On July 13 2007 04:40 SoMuchBetter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 04:36 Hot_Bid wrote:On July 13 2007 04:35 Tyrio wrote: It's going to be hard for OSL to superhype their finals like they did last OSL with Savior/Nada.
Hard for me to imagine Iris/GGplay dressing up like ninjas and shit. nada and savior didn't dress up like ninjas either but iris/ggplay finals and flash/stork 3rd place will be a lot more entertaining i never thought about this, but it is true that id much rather have flash/stork and iris/ggplay duke it out than iris/flash and ggplay/stork would that be SoMuchBetter?
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I'm still looking forward to this final regardless.
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Hmm what Ggplay's nickname..I never see.. does anyone know? ^^
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On July 13 2007 04:01 oshibori_probe wrote:or a few turrets shall claim GGPlay's last chance hahaahaha in ur face!
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On July 13 2007 04:35 Tyrio wrote: It's going to be hard for OSL to superhype their finals like they did last OSL with Savior/Nada.
Hard for me to imagine Iris/GGplay dressing up like ninjas and shit.
TvT Iris vs flash would be worse.
TvZ is starcraft's glamour matchup
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On July 13 2007 04:48 Highways wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 04:35 Tyrio wrote: It's going to be hard for OSL to superhype their finals like they did last OSL with Savior/Nada.
Hard for me to imagine Iris/GGplay dressing up like ninjas and shit. TvT Iris vs flash would be worse. TvZ is starcraft's glamour matchup
Woah not PvZ? BIas Bias!
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that was an amazing series filled with drama and emotion, from the commenter reactions to the 14cc in game 1, to flash's awe-inspiring macro in 3, to the mineral patch in 4, to the lurklingmuta ball and ultra eggs in 5. Flash seemed shaken after game 4, while GGPlay just remained his stoic, unreadable self (reminds me of the savior/iris series last osl).
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GGPlay you made it! GGPlay in the finals, OMG I'm so happy for him! So many times in previous leagues I considered him as top bet to make finals, I can't believe it, its time, GGPlay is so due! GO MAKE IRIS CRY!
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awwww i really wanted flash to win anyway he still played reallllyl good;)
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On July 13 2007 04:37 SoMuchBetter wrote: that was intense
and the flat out biggest counter attack ive ever seen in a progame zvt, especially for how early in the game it was whats also crazy is that GGPlay timed that counter and hid it so well until the last possible second
just nuts
then they cut back to GGPlay's base and theres this giant blob of units with defilers and shit
and flash is hanging out in the middle of the map for what seems like eternity, and all the fans and announcers just know that every second at this point is crucial, and flash was idle/indecisive too much... you can't expect to hurt a Z with one dropship that he knows is coming.
he never attacked a hatchery, not once the entire game.
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Game3,4 & 5 are the kind of games I can re-watch 10 times and still enjoy every time, well done GGPlay and Flash, for FINALY giving the fans a worthy Bo5 set, better games than any of the LAME sets until now. Honestly I just feel like they saved the season.
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ignore this if it's asking for too much yakii =) if you could upload the proleague summer break live advert with the ceremonies and kung fu fighting music it would be greatly appreciated!
thanks a lot either way!
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GGPLAY GGPLAY GGPLAY ! this man deserve this osl title this will be awesome tvz final
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in retrospect yeah game 5 was tense and exciting, but only because we watched it live and it was game 5
had we seen this game as a game 1 of proleague series it'd be like "oh shit, rape"
flash never attacked the entire game (the one DS doesn't count)
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On July 13 2007 05:06 Hot_Bid wrote: in retrospect yeah game 5 was tense and exciting, but only because we watched it live and it was game 5
had we seen this game as a game 1 of proleague series it'd be like "oh shit, rape"
flash never attacked the entire game (the one DS doesn't count) Heh, thats also true :-) By game-5 my blood was full of andrenaline, I was so tense! And its the first time, THE FIRST this season that it happen, ALL the Bo5 sets until now did absolutely NOTHING to me, it was pathetic I was so incredibly disappointed, compaing to last season that I couldn't even sleep before a semi-finals from the weight of the drama and the game quality that was going on, I felt like this season was rotten. Yes, for me this really was the first time this season felt like it should have from the very beginning of semis. Hell, its about time :-)
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im glad this little brat wont play the final
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today he did not get his donuts
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a thought in regards to the monty hall game and flash mining out the mineral wall to the south
he probably queued his scv to mine the mineral wall after the depot finished building with the intention of sending it back to mine his main mineral line so that he would gain a little extra minerals for it, but he ended up forgetting about it and in the end all it cost him the game
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Was GGPlay in an OSL final ever before? I'm guessing not... he really deserves to win the OSL once. He's been around for so long, and always very strong, yet never reached the top. If a player like Flash, who is very new, very young, and who has played few games yet, had won against GGPlay, it would just seem so unfair.
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On July 13 2007 04:50 evanthebouncy! wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 04:48 Highways wrote:On July 13 2007 04:35 Tyrio wrote: It's going to be hard for OSL to superhype their finals like they did last OSL with Savior/Nada.
Hard for me to imagine Iris/GGplay dressing up like ninjas and shit. TvT Iris vs flash would be worse. TvZ is starcraft's glamour matchup Woah not PvZ? BIas Bias!
Both TvZ and PvZ are great, but TvZ just has the most suspense so I enjoy watching it moreso. Every time the zerg player has new tech, it's a huge deal, while the unpredictability of when the terran will attack just leaves you on the edge of your seat.
The perfect TvZ games go like the last two of this series went. There is no room for passive play, and even when units aren't dying there is a whole lot of intensity. The true beauty is really in the thin thin line that decides the battles though. The units just play off of each other so well, and are all so fragile - unit control and perfect spell use mean the world.
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On July 13 2007 05:11 VioleTAK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 05:06 Hot_Bid wrote: in retrospect yeah game 5 was tense and exciting, but only because we watched it live and it was game 5
had we seen this game as a game 1 of proleague series it'd be like "oh shit, rape"
flash never attacked the entire game (the one DS doesn't count) Heh, thats also true :-) By game-5 my blood was full of andrenaline, I was so tense! And its the first time, THE FIRST this season that it happen, ALL the Bo5 sets until now did absolutely NOTHING to me, it was pathetic I was so incredibly disappointed, compaing to last season that I couldn't even sleep before a semi-finals from the weight of the drama and the game quality that was going on, I felt like this season was rotten. Yes, for me this really was the first time this season felt like it should have from the very beginning of semis. Hell, its about time :-)
I agree 100%, and after the first couple games I remained pessimistic about how good a series this would be. I'm really glad we ended up with some great games, though, and will get to have a non-mirror final (between two of the most underrated players, as we've said in the past)!
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IriS for OSL!@@!@#!!!!!!!
PS: I'm going away this weekend so this will be my last post for awhile. I'll miss the MSL finals but I don't give a shit but Stork fighting anyway!! F BIsu@@!
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On July 13 2007 04:44 GTR-2-Go wrote: never mind im a total dumbass
Actually, no!
Legend of the Spring!
Every year in Spring-time, a TvZ final (bar one, 2004, Hangame), has always occured where a Terran would emerge victorious
2001: Hanbit (BoxeR) 2002: N/A 2003: Olympus (XellOs) 2004: N/A 2005: IOPS (NaDa) 2006: Shinhan (oov) 2007: Daum (Iris?)
Daum is a SUMMER season And July beat GoodFriend in summer 2005 iirc
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On July 13 2007 06:05 wliu2385 wrote: Wow... this OSL is so depressing to me. All of the people I root for and expect to win end up losing. I have to root for Iris now just because it seems like such a shame if he beats Savior and can't take it all.
I can understand your feelings. I agree mostly, but when you think about it worked out pretty well. I mean Iris vs Stork were really nothing to discuss. Even if you rooted for Stork you can't say he should win. Iris steamrolled him. Iris vs Savior was close as usual, but it seems fair Iris won this time. On the other hand it sucks to have the only great zerg gone so early, BUT then we have this GGPlay who fucking owns and cleans up all those terrans, just like savior did.
This was not how I or anyone else predicted, but I totally think both of them deserves the final spots and I was entertained with all their games (maybe not Iris vs Stork, but that is hardly Iris's fault).
Maybe Nada vs Savior sounds better, but that is just... stupid whine. Why care about the names? Nada is nothing compared to Iris right now.
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On July 13 2007 06:05 wliu2385 wrote: Wow... this OSL is so depressing to me. All of the people I root for and expect to win end up losing. I have to root for Iris now just because it seems like such a shame if he beats Savior and can't take it all.
But if Iris is able to eliminate a zerg like Savior even though he is his teammate how is GGplay going to stand a chance?
Because GGPlay has showed through out his career that he has one of the best ZvT's in all of progaming, and has definetely shown stints where he was even scarier that Savior's ZvT. His ZvP on the other hand needs more work, while Savior's doesn't.
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i will pity whoever loses the finals, they both worked hard!
EDIT:
Because GGPlay has showed through out his career that he has one of the best ZvT's in all of progaming, and has definetely shown stints where he was even scarier that Savior's ZvT. His ZvP on the other hand needs more work, while Savior's doesn't.
so true, remember how he lost to TT twice in last Survivor? it was pathetic!
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On July 13 2007 06:12 SeBASTa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 04:44 GTR-2-Go wrote: never mind im a total dumbass
Actually, no!
Legend of the Spring!
Every year in Spring-time, a TvZ final (bar one, 2004, Hangame), has always occured where a Terran would emerge victorious
2001: Hanbit (BoxeR) 2002: N/A 2003: Olympus (XellOs) 2004: N/A 2005: IOPS (NaDa) 2006: Shinhan (oov) 2007: Daum (Iris?) Daum is a SUMMER season And July beat GoodFriend in summer 2005 iirc
99 Progamer Korea Open - (Z)Freemura > (Z)bOy 99/00 Hanaro Communication Tooniverse - (R)Grrrr... > (Z)H.O.T. Fa 00 Freechal Open - (P)Garimto > (ZP)Skelton Sp 01 Hanbitsoft - (T)BoxeR > (Z)Jinnam Su 01 Coca-Cola - (T)BoxeR > (Z)YellOw Fa 01 SKY 1 - (P)Garimto > (T)BoxeR Su 02 NATE - (T)Sync > (Z)H.O.T. Fa 02 SKY 2 - (P)Reach > (T)BoxeR Wi 02 Panasonic - (T)NaDa > (Z)ChOJJa Sp 03 Olympus - (T)XellOs > (Z)YellOw Fa 03 Mycube - (P)Kingdom > (P)Nal_rA Sp 04 NHN Hangame - (P)Nal_rA > (P)ZeuS Su 04 Gillette - (Z)July > (P)Reach Fa 04 Ever 1 - (T)iloveoov > (T)BoxeR Sp 05 IOPS - (T)NaDa > (Z)July Su 05 Ever 2 - (Z)July > (T)GooDFrienD Fa 05 So1 - (P)Anytime > (T)BoxeR Sp 06 Shinhan Bank - (T)iloveoov > (Z)July Su 06 Shinhan Bank Season 1 - (T)Casy > (Z)ChOJJa Fa 06 Shinhan Bank Season 2 - (T)NaDa > (P)Anytime Wi 07 Shinhan Bank Season 3 - (Z)sAviOr > (T)NaDa
It's obvious that the next piece is obviously Spring.
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On July 13 2007 06:20 Evilmonkey. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 06:05 wliu2385 wrote: Wow... this OSL is so depressing to me. All of the people I root for and expect to win end up losing. I have to root for Iris now just because it seems like such a shame if he beats Savior and can't take it all.
But if Iris is able to eliminate a zerg like Savior even though he is his teammate how is GGplay going to stand a chance? Because GGPlay has showed through out his career that he has one of the best ZvT's in all of progaming, and has definetely shown stints where he was even scarier that Savior's ZvT. His ZvP on the other hand needs more work, while Savior's doesn't.
Actually I think GGplay has much better ZvT performance than Savior does in THIS season. I don't think Savior vs Iris's games deserve much credits, they are of pretty normal level. Especially when you compare them with what GGplay did vs Hwasin and this kid
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On July 13 2007 06:24 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 06:12 SeBASTa wrote:On July 13 2007 04:44 GTR-2-Go wrote: never mind im a total dumbass
Actually, no!
Legend of the Spring!
Every year in Spring-time, a TvZ final (bar one, 2004, Hangame), has always occured where a Terran would emerge victorious
2001: Hanbit (BoxeR) 2002: N/A 2003: Olympus (XellOs) 2004: N/A 2005: IOPS (NaDa) 2006: Shinhan (oov) 2007: Daum (Iris?) Daum is a SUMMER season And July beat GoodFriend in summer 2005 iirc 99 Progamer Korea Open - (Z)Freemura > (Z)bOy 99/00 Hanaro Communication Tooniverse - (R)Grrrr... > (Z)H.O.T. Fa 00 Freechal Open - (P)Garimto > (ZP)Skelton Sp 01 Hanbitsoft - (T)BoxeR > (Z)Jinnam Su 01 Coca-Cola - (T)BoxeR > (Z)YellOw Fa 01 SKY 1 - (P)Garimto > (T)BoxeR Su 02 NATE - (T)Sync > (Z)H.O.T. Fa 02 SKY 2 - (P)Reach > (T)BoxeR Wi 02 Panasonic - (T)NaDa > (Z)ChOJJa Sp 03 Olympus - (T)XellOs > (Z)YellOw Fa 03 Mycube - (P)Kingdom > (P)Nal_rA Sp 04 NHN Hangame - (P)Nal_rA > (P)ZeuS Su 04 Gillette - (Z)July > (P)Reach Fa 04 Ever 1 - (T)iloveoov > (T)BoxeR Sp 05 IOPS - (T)NaDa > (Z)July Su 05 Ever 2 - (Z)July > (T)GooDFrienD Fa 05 So1 - (P)Anytime > (T)BoxeR Sp 06 Shinhan Bank - (T)iloveoov > (Z)July Su 06 Shinhan Bank Season 1 - (T)Casy > (Z)ChOJJa Fa 06 Shinhan Bank Season 2 - (T)NaDa > (P)Anytime Wi 07 Shinhan Bank Season 3 - (Z)sAviOr > (T)NaDa It's obvious that the next piece is obviously Spring. It's obvious there are 4 natural seasons in a year, and only 3 league seasons in the same time span
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Well played by flash. But sometimes you got to lose these battles to conquer and dominate later. This is a learning experience for him, and after all a 15 year old going to semifinals in osl is still unprecedented and it was a tough road to get here. He is great at 15, and if he continues to work hard, he will only get better for we can tell just from these games his overall sense of the game is really quite comparable with the top pros of the game.
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Flash can be proud. I mean he's so young and made it to the semifinals. No need for harsh words. After all my fav players got kicked out of osl and msl i never expected to be hyped. But this semifinal had it.
2. GGPlay's ~10 unhatched eggs draw oooooo's and ahhhhh's from croud as they guess on what they were... first time, they were just zerglings, but second time ultras pop out and crowd went WILD...
such gold moments...
So true. This is how you observe & comment a game to get the crowd.
After all i have to say TvT final < TvZ final. Don't get me wrong, i like tvt, but for a tvt final i need a line up with more background to be hyped (boxer, ovv, you know..). I'm still kinda dissapointed how everything turned out. But in the end the better player has to win of course.
More boxer, more nada, more oov, more july. more savior, more reach...maybe next time. Allways kinda hurts when players with such personalities drop out. I mean imagine a iris holding up a starleague trophy...hmm..
Still, congrats to ggplay. I hope these two finalists can give us a show WORTH a STARLEAGUE FINAL.
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YES!! GOGO GGPLAY JUST ONE MORE
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damn, no royal road for Flash this season =(
Oh well. I guess it was expecting too much from the few games that we actually saw from Flash and just wanting him to win so badly to be a record-breaking royal road performance. Next season~
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On July 13 2007 06:35 Jayson X wrote: More boxer, more nada, more oov, more july. more savior, more reach...maybe next time. Allways kinda hurts when players with such personalities drop out. I mean imagine a iris holding up a starleague trophy...hmm.. .
Iris holding a trophy would be about fucking time. He is probably the best terran right now. Kill Stork 3-0 with a times push without exp is pretty awesome job. Do you think oov could do that? Maybe, but he wouldn't try. He would fastexp and turtle for 10 minutes like in every other game he plays
Ok no whine on the legends, I'm just saying Iris has proven himself in every single matchup. He was known for maybe the strongest TvT around before and now he killed Savior and the PvT king Stork. No one deserves this more than him.
GGPlay on the other hand... The only zerg besides Savior that actually seems extremly confident against any terran out there.
The more I think about it the more hyped i get. I can't pick who to cheer for
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On July 13 2007 06:27 SeBASTa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 06:24 GTR-2-Go wrote:On July 13 2007 06:12 SeBASTa wrote:On July 13 2007 04:44 GTR-2-Go wrote: never mind im a total dumbass
Actually, no!
Legend of the Spring!
Every year in Spring-time, a TvZ final (bar one, 2004, Hangame), has always occured where a Terran would emerge victorious
2001: Hanbit (BoxeR) 2002: N/A 2003: Olympus (XellOs) 2004: N/A 2005: IOPS (NaDa) 2006: Shinhan (oov) 2007: Daum (Iris?) Daum is a SUMMER season And July beat GoodFriend in summer 2005 iirc 99 Progamer Korea Open - (Z)Freemura > (Z)bOy 99/00 Hanaro Communication Tooniverse - (R)Grrrr... > (Z)H.O.T. Fa 00 Freechal Open - (P)Garimto > (ZP)Skelton Sp 01 Hanbitsoft - (T)BoxeR > (Z)Jinnam Su 01 Coca-Cola - (T)BoxeR > (Z)YellOw Fa 01 SKY 1 - (P)Garimto > (T)BoxeR Su 02 NATE - (T)Sync > (Z)H.O.T. Fa 02 SKY 2 - (P)Reach > (T)BoxeR Wi 02 Panasonic - (T)NaDa > (Z)ChOJJa Sp 03 Olympus - (T)XellOs > (Z)YellOw Fa 03 Mycube - (P)Kingdom > (P)Nal_rA Sp 04 NHN Hangame - (P)Nal_rA > (P)ZeuS Su 04 Gillette - (Z)July > (P)Reach Fa 04 Ever 1 - (T)iloveoov > (T)BoxeR Sp 05 IOPS - (T)NaDa > (Z)July Su 05 Ever 2 - (Z)July > (T)GooDFrienD Fa 05 So1 - (P)Anytime > (T)BoxeR Sp 06 Shinhan Bank - (T)iloveoov > (Z)July Su 06 Shinhan Bank Season 1 - (T)Casy > (Z)ChOJJa Fa 06 Shinhan Bank Season 2 - (T)NaDa > (P)Anytime Wi 07 Shinhan Bank Season 3 - (Z)sAviOr > (T)NaDa It's obvious that the next piece is obviously Spring. It's obvious there are 4 natural seasons in a year, and only 3 league seasons in the same time span
Tell me how Summer goes directly after Winter then? It makes no logical sense, so it has to be Spring because it goes Summer -> Fall -> Winter -> Spring
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On July 13 2007 06:35 Jayson X wrote: More boxer, more nada, more oov, more july. more savior, more reach...maybe next time. Allways kinda hurts when players with such personalities drop out. I mean imagine a iris holding up a starleague trophy...hmm.. On July 13 2007 04:13 Tyrio wrote: Flash <Monghwan> GGplay - GAME 5
Flash WHITISHPEACH? at 5. Ride of Valks GGplay RED at 2. Nostalgia
I hope Flash wins this and then goes on to win the finals (longshot) just because as the royal raoder it's the most exciting and dramatic. Iris or GGplay on the same wall as Savior and Nada and Boxer seems kinda...out of place to me =O Iris will fit among them exactly. Sure, he has not a lot of funs and wasn't recognized as top player before epic semifinal with sAviOr but it isn't like he hasn't skills before and popped out of nowhere.
Iris was in top 10 of Kespa rankings almost whole 2006 year In fact, he hasn't went below 10 place since last march. He was there when big names dropped to unreasonable low ranks. But this is rather for Flash's funs who think he would have a chance against Iris.
+ Show Spoiler [kespa] +2006 March 1 iloveoov 1621.3 2 JulyZerg 1585.8 3 Pusan 1317.5 4 IPXZerg 1295.4 5 ChoJJa 1226.7 6 XellOs 1190.8 7 Reach 1149.8 8 SlayerSBoxeR 1029.3 9 Anytime 1011.5 10 Iris 1007.5 2006 April 1 iloveoov 1562.8 2 JulyZerg 1436.3 3 IPXZerg 1143.0 4 Chojja 1132.4 5 Pusan 1125.3 6 XellOs 1084.0 7 Reach 971.1 8 Iris 951.6 9 Stork 941.1 10 Anytime 892.3 2006 May 1 iloveoov 1402.5 2 JulyZerg 1276.8 3 Pusan 1023.0 4 Chojja 1008.0 5 IPXZerg 990.5 6 XellOs 930.0 7 Stork 863.3 8 Iris 835.8 9 Reach 812.3 10 SlayerSBoxeR 801.3 2006 June 1 iloveoov 1282.8 2 JulyZerg 1137.3 3 Chojja 1123.7 4 Pusan 1013.3 5 IPXZerg 964.0 6 XellOs 898.5 7 Iris 881.7 8 Stork 880.4 9 SlayerSBoxeR 789.8 10 Reach 779.4 2006 July 1 Chojja 1448.3 2 iloveoov 1201.8 3 IPXZerg 1200.0 4 Casy 1142.8 5 Nal_rA 1123.8 6 JulyZerg 1104.8 7 Iris 1035.6 8 JJu 995.0 9 Pusan 980.3 10 Midas 937.8 2006 August 1 Chojja 1556.7 2 IPXZerg 1294.5 3 iloveoov 1225.8 4 Casy 1118.2 5 JulyZerg 1066.8 6 Nal_rA 1037.5 7 Iris 1003.7 8 JJu 1000.5 9 NaDa 945.8 10 Pusan 920.3 2006 September 1 Chojja 1410.6 2 sAviOr 1160.5 3 Casy 1056.1 4 iloveoov 1052.5 5 JulyZerg 959.0 6 Nal_rA 938.4 7 Iris 919.6 8 JJu 903.5 9 Nada 892.0 10 Midas 871.0 2006 October 1 Chojja 1,246.5 2 Savior 1,149.8 3 Casy 941.0 4 iloveoov 926.9 5 JJu 926.3 6 NaDa 917.6 7 Iris 893.5 8 JulyZerg 889.1 9 Nal_rA 848.9 10 GoodFriend 823.1 2006 November 1 Savior 1202.0 2 Chojja 1141.0 3 Nada 1109.3 4 Jju 1051.5 5 Nal_Ra 939.5 6 GoodFriend 908.8 7 Midas 888.9 8 Casy 836.5 9 Iris 819.0 10 iloveoov 769.8 2006 December 1 NaDa 1,456.3 2 sAviOr 1,416.3 3 JJu 1,103.8 4 ChoJJa 1,059.5 5 GoodFriend 1,033.3 6 midas 1,032.8 7 AnyTime 1,026.3 8 GoRush 906.8 9 Iris 902.0 10 Nal_rA 846.4 5 2007 January 1 sAviOr 1379.5 2 NaDa 1373.3 3 AnyTime 992.3 4 JJu 991.0 5 ChoJJa 977.0 6 Midas 961.3 7 GoodFriend 930.3 8 Iris 907.0 9 GoRush 821.8 10 Casy 805.0 2007 February 1 sAviOr 1398.8 2 NaDa 1378.5 3 Jju 989.8 4 Iris 976.5 5 AnyTime 958.0 6 GoodFriend 933.5 7 Midas 922.0 8 ChoJJa 823.0 9 GoRush 814.8 10 Yellow[Name] 771.9 2007 March 1 Savior 2107.0 2 NaDa 1662.5 3 Iris 1096.3 4 Bisu 995.8 5 Jju 931.0 6 Hwasin 877.5 7 GooDFriend 868.8 8 AnyTime 839.0 9 Casy 830.8 10 Nal_rA 819.1
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Good series. I just finished watching it. I'd like to share some thoughts. Flash won his two games with good timing rushes. +1 atk Super Marines + 3rd base Timing rush and Fast Tank Push on Hitch Hiker (go figure, HH = harder for T as the game goes on)
Game one was dismissible because it was inevitable maphack game !!!! Games two and three were nice timing rushes. Game 4, while people talk about how Flash coulda done this and that.... Really what it comes down to for me is that GGplay went 3 hatch no pool and Flash didn't see. Then the fast lair came which obviously is muta, and when Flash was opening up to hit the bottom base, instead of mutas, ling harass came.. It was just really beautiful play by GGplay. Truly GG worthy.
Game 5 was utter rape. Sure Flash went 14CC and tried to play well, but when the Mutas came, his unit positioning was really off, he lost a lot and killed off so few mutas. 5+ Scvs Turrets and 5+ Marines in the initial swoop itself I think? After that, Xenosky is sooo far away that it's hard to hit.
And hitting Nostalgian through the bridges is LOL right.. cuz swarm is so not imba on bridges.
Overall, while the results were close, I thought it was pretty apparent who the vastly superior player was.
This will be awesome though. Iris is a monster timing attacker, and GGPlay seemed to lose to only Flash's two big timing attacks.... O this OSL Finals is gonna be GREAT.
Plus.... Hanbit needs a champion since HOT. ROFL, Fuckin HOT was the last champion Hanbit had.
GOOOOOOO HANBIT.
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although Iris is good and pretty consistent as of late, and it took down the so called best Z and P vs T, i really want GGPlay to win the finals. It just feels good when a zerg kills a macro terran and plays good. And Iris is good at losing
The most hype i actually got, was in game 1. I really couldn't believe a game was thrown like that.
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Jong, when did H.O.T EVER win anything major :D?
Grrr vs H.O.T, Grrr beats him 3-2 H.O.T vs Sync, Sync beats him 3-1 H.O.T vs NaDa, nada beats him (I forget score)..
Etc.
I mean, ok, he probably won something WAY back, but h.o.t and major modern leagues is like yellow +_+
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On July 13 2007 08:41 FrozenArbiter wrote: Jong, when did H.O.T EVER win anything major :D?
Grrr vs H.O.T, Grrr beats him 3-2 H.O.T vs Sync, Sync beats him 3-1 H.O.T vs NaDa, nada beats him (I forget score)..
Etc.
I mean, ok, he probably won something WAY back, but h.o.t and major modern leagues is like yellow +_+
That's why Hanbit needs a win WAYYY more. This is the first Hanbit finalist since HOT yo. GGPlay carries Hanbit's 2 man Zerg legacy. HOT and GGplay.
LOL ~_~
But props to FLash. He was sweating really hard and gave all he had I'm pretty sure. Also, he can only really get better from here on out. Improve his late game and he will be mighty.
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GGPLAY YESSSS
Oh god, I've been hyping this guy for so long, defending him against the likes of Mana (), now AT LAST he manages to breakthrough.
Unless he manages to find a solution to his timing push weakness, I'm afraid he'll get flattened by Iris though...
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Hell Yeah, GGPLAY, it's about time!
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Its just me or links to the videos dont work ?
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Thanks for letting me win my vote GGplaya 8-D
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On July 13 2007 09:26 bldswttrs wrote: Its just me or links to the videos dont work ? They were buggy for me, but most of them worked well in flashget (download manager), the last 2 games took a while before I could connect to tho.
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change img2 -> image in the url of the small vods...
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On July 13 2007 08:45 SuperJongMan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 08:41 FrozenArbiter wrote: Jong, when did H.O.T EVER win anything major :D?
Grrr vs H.O.T, Grrr beats him 3-2 H.O.T vs Sync, Sync beats him 3-1 H.O.T vs NaDa, nada beats him (I forget score)..
Etc.
I mean, ok, he probably won something WAY back, but h.o.t and major modern leagues is like yellow +_+ That's why Hanbit needs a win WAYYY more. This is the first Hanbit finalist since HOT yo.
Reach was the last one and he won but that was 5 years ago ^^
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On July 13 2007 08:39 PePe QuiCoSE wrote:although Iris is good and pretty consistent as of late, and it took down the so called best Z and P vs T, i really want GGPlay to win the finals. It just feels good when a zerg kills a macro terran and plays good. And Iris is good at losing The most hype i actually got, was in game 1. I really couldn't believe a game was thrown like that. well flash 14cc'd in game 5 too, if GGPlay had pooled he'd have won in 2 minutes again
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On July 13 2007 09:26 bldswttrs wrote: Its just me or links to the videos dont work ?
No it's not just you. They download very slow or not at all. Have all our usual enthousiastic torrent uploaders had enough? Perhaps it was too good to be true there a while
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so happy ggplay won :D also I'm glad to.net is iPhone friendly and I can check here while on vacation
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On July 13 2007 09:51 Honk2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 08:45 SuperJongMan wrote:On July 13 2007 08:41 FrozenArbiter wrote: Jong, when did H.O.T EVER win anything major :D?
Grrr vs H.O.T, Grrr beats him 3-2 H.O.T vs Sync, Sync beats him 3-1 H.O.T vs NaDa, nada beats him (I forget score)..
Etc.
I mean, ok, he probably won something WAY back, but h.o.t and major modern leagues is like yellow +_+ That's why Hanbit needs a win WAYYY more. This is the first Hanbit finalist since HOT yo. Reach was the last one and he won but that was 5 years ago ^^
O yeah, Reach wore a hanbit uniform once. I forgot about that ~_~ GG
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glad ggplay won but imo it wasnt that good of a serie..
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I thought it was an exciting series, almost as good as the Savior/Iris one last season (though last game nowhere near as close). So happy that GGplay won because he really deserves it and we get a ZvT final However much as I'd like GGplay to win the final I'd put money on Iris probably just because his form has been incredibly consistent recently and he looks so determined. Plus having Savior as a practice partner.. I think some of Savior's killer instinct has rubbed off on him. I hope GGplay puts up a good fight anyway. 3-0 would suck.
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On July 13 2007 08:41 FrozenArbiter wrote: Jong, when did H.O.T EVER win anything major :D?
Didnt hot win one of the GhemTV leagues(I think there were 2 or 3). Could be wrong, he was def in the top 4 of them twice though. amazing considering how insanely gay the maps were for Zerg.
Sort of major for its time, if im not wrong and he actually won one: [
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Oh and this was an ok final. Pretty obvious Flash was shaken up.
I find it disappointing that he is another T who seems to just rely on really fast expansion every game instead of having early mixup strength(Tank push was nice play on changing up what ggplay was expecting though I guess).
imo the reason why ggplay lost initiative despite his lings and 3 hat muta in game on python was because of that 1 marine expand flash pulled. Those 5-10 seconds of difference in timing left ggplay with little openings.
Im really glad he lost his 2CC play vs that 9pool and i realllly wish he lost again that way in final game:D but it was nice to see ggplays game control strength.
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after GGPlay won he said "this is the best feeling ive had since becoming pro gamer". he deserved this way more than Flash.
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On July 13 2007 08:41 FrozenArbiter wrote: Jong, when did H.O.T EVER win anything major :D?
Grrr vs H.O.T, Grrr beats him 3-2 H.O.T vs Sync, Sync beats him 3-1 H.O.T vs NaDa, nada beats him (I forget score)..
Etc.
I mean, ok, he probably won something WAY back, but h.o.t and major modern leagues is like yellow +_+ Um, actually the commentators mentioned the fact that it's the first time in five years that a Hanbit team member actually did anything (since HOTForever in 2002).
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Just watched all 5 in a row :p Game 5, GGPlay is a rapist
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Ah, so glad GGPlay won. He looked so happy.
It was funny how the commentators were watching some larvae pop into... lings while there were other things going on at the time.
Now for GGPlay vs Iris. I'm hoping GGPlay takes this, but at the same time, it's going to be very hard. GGPlay looks susceptible to aggressive/harass-type terrans, and Iris is just relentless in his attacks. His TvZ is scary, first time I noticed this was when he went 2-3 vs Savior during Savior's period of dominance and then the next time, he actually beat Savior.
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I don't think it is possible to predict who will win the finals. It could go either way. I am hoping for Iris though.
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On July 13 2007 14:42 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 08:41 FrozenArbiter wrote: Jong, when did H.O.T EVER win anything major :D?
Grrr vs H.O.T, Grrr beats him 3-2 H.O.T vs Sync, Sync beats him 3-1 H.O.T vs NaDa, nada beats him (I forget score)..
Etc.
I mean, ok, he probably won something WAY back, but h.o.t and major modern leagues is like yellow +_+ Um, actually the commentators mentioned the fact that it's the first time in five years that a Hanbit team member actually did anything (since HOTForever in 2002).
I believe Reach won SKY 2K2 and he was in Hanbit.
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On July 13 2007 15:49 pat777 wrote: I don't think it is possible to predict who will win the finals. It could go either way. I am hoping for Iris though.
Especially with 2x Python!
Anyways, if it hasn't been posted here are the maps for the finals:
Game1: Python Game2: Fantasy/Monghwan Game3: HitchHiker Game4: Monty Hall Game5: Python
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On July 13 2007 17:34 hasuprotoss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 15:49 pat777 wrote: I don't think it is possible to predict who will win the finals. It could go either way. I am hoping for Iris though. Especially with 2x Python! Anyways, if it hasn't been posted here are the maps for the finals: Game1: Python Game2: Fantasy/Monghwan Game3: HitchHiker Game4: Monty Hall Game5: Python omg klaz is gonna pop a nut when he hears 2x python
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Iris is going go 3-0 against GGplay :D
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I'm glad GGPlay won
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flash looked like he was raped of his viriginity at the end
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thats funny to me he just looked mildly dissapointed
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On July 13 2007 14:42 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2007 08:41 FrozenArbiter wrote: Jong, when did H.O.T EVER win anything major :D?
Grrr vs H.O.T, Grrr beats him 3-2 H.O.T vs Sync, Sync beats him 3-1 H.O.T vs NaDa, nada beats him (I forget score)..
Etc.
I mean, ok, he probably won something WAY back, but h.o.t and major modern leagues is like yellow +_+ Um, actually the commentators mentioned the fact that it's the first time in five years that a Hanbit team member actually did anything (since HOTForever in 2002). Silent_control gillete starleague 2004 placed 3rd or 4th? Or are they talking about finals? Reach probably won sky earlier than hotforever. And didnt silent_control do decent wcg 2003?
Also flash didnt look mildly disappointed. He did look pretty sad.
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