[Daum OSL RO8] Interview: Flash vs Bisu Winner - Page 2
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
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L!MP
Australia2067 Posts
On June 29 2007 20:00 CapO wrote: if u actually know how to read korean comments, a lot of them are saying they are disappointed in the current OSL. why are they disappointed? i'm guessing because 1) savior went out with disappointing form, signifying the definite end of his dominance 2) the old legend mantoss fell 3) stork might win it even though he was already eliminated 4) bisu, arguably the best player atm was knocked out by 2 cheese strats in a row | ||
GTR
51151 Posts
And by Unpopular, I'm comparing to something like Savior or Mantoss. | ||
Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
On June 29 2007 20:17 L!MP wrote: why are they disappointed? i'm guessing because 1) savior went out with disappointing form, signifying the definite end of his dominance 2) the old legend mantoss fell 3) stork might win it even though he was already eliminated 4) bisu, arguably the best player atm was knocked out by 2 cheese strats in a row agreed. Finally not only can Savior fanboys shut up, but also the Mantoss comments will stop! | ||
Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On June 29 2007 20:34 wizardpl wrote: agreed. Finally not only can Savior fanboys shut up, but also the Mantoss comments will stop! No, the SaviOr fanboys will not shutup if Stork wins. "ZOmg savior beat stork & stork won MSL, savior = winnar!" That being said, I am a complete SaviOr fanboy myself. | ||
Autumn_gm
United States101 Posts
On June 29 2007 19:39 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: never said "seraphim's and boxer's comments are the same" but both share the same point of view ... just like u said "theres no reason to go all crazy over flash yet" How is it the same point of view? LOL All seraphim did in his post was bash and talked about how he hated FlaSh. Boxer said he just didn't want to lose to him because he would feel worse than losing to a veteran. That is too totally different points of view and there is no relation at all between the two. Boxer isn't flaming other players he just doesn't want to lose to younger players. Also FlaSh has only cheesed 2 matches now so I don't get this "he cheeses all the time" crap. If Bisu isn't smart enough to get around it the 2nd time then he needs to practice more obviously. The funniest thing is HwaSin did the same cheese tactic and he beat it before FlaSh used it on him. A lot of Terran users lately have been using a double barrack or proxy barrack strat in their TvP matches. Hell Shudder just did it to AnyTime in proleague this week. Time for these Protoss players to realize what the problem is and create the proper strat to deal with it. That is like saying I hate a Protoss players for using a Cannon rush strat and winning an early game over Zerg user, and saying it is cheese. Nal_rA did that to sAviOr and I don't hear any of you bitching about it. Proxy strats and rushes are becoming all to common for Terran players now so players need to notice that and be able to adapt in situations like this. I hate cheese just as much as the next person, but some of the comments are way out of line and are based mostly on a fan's hype over Bisu. I am not a big fan of FlaSh or Terran users for that matter, but you won't see me making an idiot out of myself because my favorite player lost. (Which my favorite player has lost both in the round of 8 for MSL and OSL ) I am a Protoss player myself, and I for one can say I am not mad at FlaSh for his win. I am impressed his little mind could have thought of a mineral swap to break that wall. That is the last thing I would have thought about. FlaSh is showing promise, but I don't think everyone should jump on the "FlaSh is great" bandwagon yet. He really has a hard road ahead with semifinals and finals. If he can do good at that then you people can call him a prodigy or whatever. LOL The fact that he is so modest about his wins and that he thinks most of his wins are lucky should be enough to keep people's mouths shut, but I guess you are always going to have a flamer or fan that can't handle it when their player loses. -_-* | ||
pOOwarrior-
United States518 Posts
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
On June 29 2007 20:17 L!MP wrote: why are they disappointed? i'm guessing because 1) savior went out with disappointing form, signifying the definite end of his dominance 2) the old legend mantoss fell 3) stork might win it even though he was already eliminated 4) bisu, arguably the best player atm was knocked out by 2 cheese strats in a row While I agree with most of your post ... wasn't stork knocked out of the MSL by Savior, not the OSL? I thought he was still in the OSL without any wildcard/allowances whatsoever. As for the cheese itself, marine play versus protoss on monty hall ... doubt anyone would have expected that, even if they practice plenty. Flash hasn't exactly got weak macro (well, from what I've seen), so I don't see any glowing neon sign for Bisu that would have implied "he will want to end this early with a cheese rush on Monty hall!" | ||
Terranlisk
Singapore1404 Posts
On June 29 2007 21:23 Autumn_gm wrote: How is it the same point of view? LOL All seraphim did in his post was bash and talked about how he hated FlaSh. Boxer said he just didn't want to lose to him because he would feel worse than losing to a veteran. That is too totally different points of view and there is no relation at all between the two. Boxer isn't flaming other players he just doesn't want to lose to younger players. Also FlaSh has only cheesed 2 matches now so I don't get this "he cheeses all the time" crap. If Bisu isn't smart enough to get around it the 2nd time then he needs to practice more obviously. The funniest thing is HwaSin did the same cheese tactic and he beat it before FlaSh used it on him. A lot of Terran users lately have been using a double barrack or proxy barrack strat in their TvP matches. Hell Shudder just did it to AnyTime in proleague this week. Time for these Protoss players to realize what the problem is and create the proper strat to deal with it. That is like saying I hate a Protoss players for using a Cannon rush strat and winning an early game over Zerg user, and saying it is cheese. Nal_rA did that to sAviOr and I don't hear any of you bitching about it. Proxy strats and rushes are becoming all to common for Terran players now so players need to notice that and be able to adapt in situations like this. I hate cheese just as much as the next person, but some of the comments are way out of line and are based mostly on a fan's hype over Bisu. I am not a big fan of FlaSh or Terran users for that matter, but you won't see me making an idiot out of myself because my favorite player lost. (Which my favorite player has lost both in the round of 8 for MSL and OSL ) I am a Protoss player myself, and I for one can say I am not mad at FlaSh for his win. I am impressed his little mind could have thought of a mineral swap to break that wall. That is the last thing I would have thought about. FlaSh is showing promise, but I don't think everyone should jump on the "FlaSh is great" bandwagon yet. He really has a hard road ahead with semifinals and finals. If he can do good at that then you people can call him a prodigy or whatever. LOL The fact that he is so modest about his wins and that he thinks most of his wins are lucky should be enough to keep people's mouths shut, but I guess you are always going to have a flamer or fan that can't handle it when their player loses. -_-* QFT | ||
Autumn_gm
United States101 Posts
On June 29 2007 21:58 HaXxorIzed wrote: While I agree with most of your post ... wasn't stork knocked out of the MSL by Savior, not the OSL? I thought he was still in the OSL without any wildcard/allowances whatsoever. As for the cheese itself, marine play versus protoss on monty hall ... doubt anyone would have expected that, even if they practice plenty. Flash hasn't exactly got weak macro (well, from what I've seen), so I don't see any glowing neon sign for Bisu that would have implied "he will want to end this early with a cheese rush on Monty hall!" Marine play is understandable because no Terran has used it on Monty yet, but if you don't expect cheesing proxy on monty you are dumb. There have been god knows how many Terrans that have used proxy facs or something outside the enemies main in several games now. You should expect the same proxy build in a PvP for early zeal harrass or robo from quick reaver harrasses/drops. The only thing that was any different in the proxy build FlaSh used was he took the middle route instead of sticking to the sides, he used marines instead of vultures, and he used a very smart mineral swap strat to break Bisu's wall. It is a more clever proxy cheese strat than most, but still doesn't deviate that much from proxy strats that haven't already been used or attempted on monty. :/ If Bisu hadn't scouted so late on his main he would have noticed it sooner and hoped a probe up mid route. He didn't hop into FlaSh's main till FlaSh had broke through the mineral wall on his main. Ironic how he already had 2 proxy barracks before Bisu even managed to scout the left and right routes. Earlier scouting could have given Bisu the advantage he needed to win the game easily so why he didn't opt to do that like most Protoss players on monty who try to proxy harrass is beyond me. His passive play and lack of scouting is what lost him the game. EDIT: Also don't say Protoss players don't proxy harrass and scout early on monty because one example I can list off the top of my head is Pusan VS Rainbow Ace match a few weeks back can disprove that easily. Also StOrk proxy robo middle route on monty has been done too. -_-;; | ||
WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2324 Posts
On June 29 2007 19:44 Brutalisk wrote: Correct. Flash is way overrated IMHO. Cheesing all the time doesn't make a gosu in my book, even when he's constantly lucky and it works so often. That's simply not what starleague games should be like. That's what happens on BattleNet all day. Yawn. I hate Flash, until he shows some good games, and has consistently good results (which only time can tell). He has a 14-2 record as of 2007. How much more consistent do you want him to get? What's the difference between battlenet and Starleague? Because you mention it, the commentators also talked about bnet vs televised games. Some progamers get nervous and make simple mistakes that they would not make on private games in bnet. So, progamers often show better quality games on battlenet than they would on TV. He has won some marathon games, yet all you can think about are the few cheeses that he has made. | ||
pfvoid
Korea (South)48 Posts
On June 29 2007 18:01 LosingID8 wrote: -방장 박정석은 탈락했다. ▶정석이형에게 운이 따르지 않았다. 같은 방을 쓰는데 내가 올라간 것을 축하해 주실 것이다. 마음이 넓은 선배다. -Team leader Park Jungsuk (Reach) was eliminated. ▶Jungsuk hyung wasn't lucky today. We were in the same waiting room, but he congratulated me on my advancement. He is a senior with a great heart. It seems Flash means the room in their dorm. Flash and Reach share the room. | ||
intotherainx
United States504 Posts
On June 29 2007 20:12 wizardpl wrote: W/e guys, cheese or no cheese, god or no god, arrogant or not, he's in the OSL and he's playing SC pro which means he's obviously better then everybody here...so before you bash someone or rant about him, think about how you would react if you just got into the semi-finals at 15. -_- i never understood the logic of "he's better so let's just shut up and not say anything" because then there would be no bw discussion on tl forums. | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
I don't think his comment about practice or the map was a slap in the face to Bisu. It was rather the opposite. He was acknowledging that he went all in on the map because he didn't think he could beat Bisu straight up and got lucky that Bisu used a vulnerable build order. I respect him for being up front about that rather than saying garbage about how much he practiced and perfected the strategy, etc. It always bugs me when a player is all shook and cheeses because he's scared, then pretends it was all good planning. Good on Flash. I like this kid. | ||
GongKyuckTerran
Croatia1096 Posts
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
though it wasn't that great an interview...and I don't like flash that much. What about the other interviews? Stork? Did they interview Savior? | ||
LosingID8
CA10824 Posts
On June 30 2007 05:09 pfvoid wrote: i thought about that too, but i thought that flash would still live at home considering the age gap between him and the other players and the fact that he still attends school. but thinking about it again, you're probably right.It seems Flash means the room in their dorm. Flash and Reach share the room. | ||
SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
stop saying he's being cocky, he stated so many times he got really lucky (which is true of course for anyone that saw the game. 1 pylon close to minerals could have meant bisu blocking the attack easily and eventually winning the game without trouble). I'm not a Reach fan, but since I read that Reach said he thinks Flash is a really great player, I take great value to this word and believe flash is going to be really big in the future. Up till now this seems to be happening, so early even. He seems really humble to me with this translation, so don't let your bisu-fanboyism lead to wrong results about this kid. Future will tell more, it's really early now. I also totally root for him to win the whole thing. FLASH VS STORK FOR THE FINAL GO!! ^^ | ||
Tensai176
Canada2061 Posts
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