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Russian Federation66 Posts
I've increased the extract to 300000 latest matches and counted the same statistics for every map which people consider to be balanced. And the results are the following:
Lost Temple: 281921 matches T>Z 50.2% P>T 51.6% Z>P 54.2%
Nostalgia: 6162 matches Z>T 52.7% P>T 53.0% Z>P 54.2%
Dahlia of Jungle: 2112 matches T>Z 51.2% P>T 60.1% Z>P 52.3%
Martian Cross: 834 matches T>Z 51.7% T>P 53.0% Z>P 61.5%
Namja Iyagi: 810 matches Z>T 57.1% T>P 53.3% Z>P 63.2%
Gaema Gowon: 740 matches T>Z 51.6% P>T 53.1% P>Z 50.9%
If we assume, that such thing as 'balance' exists not only for progamers but for ordinary gamers also, the conclusions seem obvious.
1) LT and Gaema are the two best maps in respect of balance. 2) While TvZ and TvP are quite equal matchups, PvZ is imbalanced.
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On July 19 2004 01:05 sv14 wrote: 2) While TvZ and TvP are quite equal matchups, PvZ is imbalanced.
But PvZ is still quite winnable in my mind according to those stats.
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MURICA15980 Posts
You are a 4.2% underdog. Go cry me a river.
Hmm.. that sounded like a harsh statement directed toward wrong guy. I love the stats man. Thanks for it. :O
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Stats don't mean a whole lot.
From only stats you can't determine whether the statistic is from the lack of potential of a race, or the lack of potential of the player.
For example: P is alot better than zerg on Martian Cross - despite the fact that the stats say otherwise.
Up until 2 months ago, (for a good 2-3 years) i have had a better win percentage pvz than zvp. About 80% win pvz, and about 30% win zvp.
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stats mean lots they are averages which give a rough idea about something instead of knowing nothing
PvZ is fuckin hard yes, and me being a P player I hate it a lot, Lost Temple is a Z map, and the most popular map >,<
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This is but
this is what neogamei admins think of playing vs ur own old account:
http://www.neogamei.net/viewtopic.php?t=2482
this guy played 6 games vs his own account yet the admin thinks its okay since its his own account he abused with
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Nice, I think I will only make on namja iyagi from now on
I always hated gaema.
Thanks for the stats, they are interesting to see
Are the numbers tough to compute? Can we see what the "newbs" (between 1000 and 1100) do?
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Errr no.
thanks for the stats btw
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ROFL! pdk you think abusing is okay?.....^^
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Russian Federation66 Posts
On July 19 2004 01:51 amat wrote: Are the numbers tough to compute? Can we see what the "newbs" (between 1000 and 1100) do?
It's difficult for now and it will take a lot of server resources to calculate. I hope to add additional database functionality to simplify the process of making such statistics.
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sv14, do one for the wcg maps, korhal, gorky, you already have martian and dahlia
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maybe HeaT will do as a nG-i admin... LOL
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Can you see Korhal or Gayrky park %s ?
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ok, I will only play gaema then -.-
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Assuming matches are evenly distributed among matchups (i.e. a ninth of total games) then 90% confidence intervals are:
Lost Temple: 281921 matches T>Z 50.2% - .497 to .507 P>T 51.6% - .511 to .521 Z>P 54.2% - .537 to .547 So tvz could very well be balanced, the others are most likely not
Nostalgia: 6162 matches Z>T 52.7% - .49 to .56 P>T 53.0% - .50 to .56 Z>P 54.2% - .51 to .57 zvp unlikely to be balanced, others need more games to tell (notice effect of less games)
Dahlia of Jungle: 2112 matches T>Z 51.2% - .45 to .57 P>T 60.1% - .54 to .65 Z>P 52.3% - .47 to .58
Martian Cross: 834 matches T>Z 51.7% - .43 to .60 T>P 53.0% - .44 to .62 Z>P 61.5% - .52 to .70
Namja Iyagi: 810 matches Z>T 57.1% - .47 to .66 T>P 53.3% - .44 to .63 Z>P 63.2% - .54 to .72
Gaema Gowon: 740 matches T>Z 51.6% - .41 to .61 P>T 53.1% - .43 to .62 P>Z 50.9% - .41 to .61
so in other words the non lt stats dont tell us shit really and pvt and zvp aren't balanced at ngi standard on lt (and obviously the races themselves arent very balanced with 50% of the units being used in about 0.1% of games)
in conclusion go play w3! (which btw has better balance stats than bw)
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Russian Federation66 Posts
Korhal of Ceres: 1560 matches T>Z 51.6% P>T 68.6% Z>P 50.2%
Gorky Park: 1153 matches T>Z 68.2% T>P 67.3% P>Z 51.9%
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hah those gorky park stats are so weird
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is it possible to make stats for every lt version? i actually think its a HUGE difference between gamei neo or even 2,3
i think 2,3 is by FAR the most balanced one, gamei lt is just a zerg paradise (hi clifflurks en masse)
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yeah and I think Neo is Terran Paradise
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