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Banner by Sneirac 2016 Proleague: Round 2 Saturday, May 21 9:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Trap < Dusk Towers > Stats < Overgrowth > < Frost > < King Sejong Station > < Lerilak Crest > < Orbital Shipyard > < Dusk Towers > Source | ||
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OtherWorld
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NinjaToss
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I'm so confused | ||
fealx
Germany375 Posts
On May 19 2016 18:58 NinjaToss wrote: I'm still wondering why it's Trap, why is it not Cure, why Trap I'm so confused Trap had a fantastic round 2 (4-0) | ||
swissman777
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Durnuu
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swissman777
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On May 19 2016 19:35 Durnuu wrote: I want KT to win but Jin Air is gonna crush them as they always do in all-kill I want Jinair to finally win sth | ||
Pandemona
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opisska
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Phredxor
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KappaKingPrime
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HooHooH
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On May 19 2016 20:08 KappaKingPrime wrote: Stats might look quite scary, but maru gonna make him looke like a scrub. You're probably right | ||
valas991
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NinjaToss
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atrox_
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zakadar
Germany409 Posts
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Wallenberg
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Then its the SSL Winner against the GSL Winner soon around 20-21th may? Gonna be some awesome matches on that evening as well . Zest is best! Fighting! <3 | ||
Daswollvieh
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rotta
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valas991
Hungary181 Posts
On May 19 2016 20:42 Wallenberg wrote: I hope KT will win. I really think it can be some hard matches though. A bit curious about sOs PvP, consider if he went up against Zest. Is his current form better than Dear for example? Havent seen them battle it out for a little while. Then its the SSL Winner against the GSL Winner soon around 20-21th may? Gonna be some awesome matches on that evening as well . Zest is best! Fighting! <3 Saturday, Proleague The day after it, crossfinals | ||
rotta
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Elentos
55454 Posts
On May 19 2016 21:14 rotta wrote: Please sOs, have mercy! Not really concerned with sOs. For reference: On March 23 2016 01:03 Elentos wrote: For the record, I've counted it out. KT is 0-5 in all-kill vs Jin Air. For people who forget that Maru is actually the bane of KT Rolster and only focus on that one time sOs reverse all-killed them. Maru vs KT in all-kill 3 kills 3 kills all-kill no kills 3 kills Maru averages 2.6 kills against KT. The highest for KT vs Jin Air is Zest at 1.2 kills per match. It's hilariously one-sided. That's the scary part of Jin Air. | ||
swissman777
1106 Posts
On May 19 2016 21:23 Elentos wrote: Not really concerned with sOs. For reference: Show nested quote + On March 23 2016 01:03 Elentos wrote: For the record, I've counted it out. KT is 0-5 in all-kill vs Jin Air. For people who forget that Maru is actually the bane of KT Rolster and only focus on that one time sOs reverse all-killed them. Maru vs KT in all-kill 3 kills 3 kills all-kill no kills 3 kills Maru averages 2.6 kills against KT. The highest for KT vs Jin Air is Zest at 1.2 kills per match. It's hilariously one-sided. That's the scary part of Jin Air. I guess that was why it was hilarious when kt finally got rid of maru and 3 kills ahead when sOs just said no. | ||
Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On May 19 2016 18:58 NinjaToss wrote: I'm still wondering why it's Trap, why is it not Cure, why Trap I'm so confused Exactly, this makes me quite nervous. I definitely expected Cure. Trap did not beat any serious opponent last season, except TY, but TY is not that good to be called a star. And Stats is a star. This might mean that sOs will not play at all in the finals. I hope it will not be the case. But if sOs should play, they need to keep him for the last place in roster. Probably, Trap loses to Stats, then immediately then next out comes Maru, who should kill Stats quite easily. And then, he should all kill up to Zest coming. Zest beats Maru. And then. we will see if anyone will be able to beat Zest. Rogue with "special Zest builds" was quite successful in the past, but this time, Zest will be probably careful, so I do not expect Rogue killing him. So let us hope, sOs will be spared for the last place and that he will come with some special strategy, which will beat Zest. So it will be: Stats > Trap Stats < Maru TY < Maru Zest > Maru Zest > Rogue Zest < sOs (?) XY < sOs | ||
opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Elentos
55454 Posts
On May 19 2016 21:58 Diabolique wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2016 18:58 NinjaToss wrote: I'm still wondering why it's Trap, why is it not Cure, why Trap I'm so confused Exactly, this makes me quite nervous. I definitely expected Cure. Trap did not beat any serious opponent last season Cure, Creator, HyuN and sOs didn't beat any strong opponents either. None of them beat anyone anywhere close to TY's level. Trap beat Reality, TY and Dream. That's a respectable set of opponents. And definitely good enough to deserve getting fielded. Besides, I don't think there's anyone KT would field on Dusk Towers that Cure really wants to play. | ||
Pugfarmer
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NinjaToss
Austria1383 Posts
JA also has 3 Protoss KT has 3 main pillars (Stats, Zest and TY) JA also has 3 main pillars (Maru, sOs and Rogue) illuminaty confirmed? how about PvP all the way until either of the team has to force out a player from another race? | ||
Elentos
55454 Posts
On May 19 2016 22:33 NinjaToss wrote: KT has 3 Protoss JA also has 3 Protoss KT has 3 main pillars (Stats, Zest and TY) JA also has 3 main pillars (Maru, sOs and Rogue) illuminaty confirmed? how about PvP all the way until either of the team has to force out a player from another race? Would be much better for KT, most of the time Stats would beat at least Trap and Creator. I think Stats beating Trap would almost guarantee Jin Air to send out Maru immediately. Don't really want to lose more than 1 player to him and his vT is his worst matchup. | ||
intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On May 19 2016 21:14 rotta wrote: Please sOs, have mercy! See his Blizzcon victory over JD to understand his "mercy" or lack thereof. | ||
Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On May 19 2016 22:12 Elentos wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2016 21:58 Diabolique wrote: On May 19 2016 18:58 NinjaToss wrote: I'm still wondering why it's Trap, why is it not Cure, why Trap I'm so confused Exactly, this makes me quite nervous. I definitely expected Cure. Trap did not beat any serious opponent last season Cure, Creator, HyuN and sOs didn't beat any strong opponents either. None of them beat anyone anywhere close to TY's level. Trap beat Reality, TY and Dream. That's a respectable set of opponents. And definitely good enough to deserve getting fielded. Besides, I don't think there's anyone KT would field on Dusk Towers that Cure really wants to play. Well, all these three players, Trap has beaten, are mid quality Terrans. While Cure has beaten herO with an excellent one sided play. So against Stats, Cure would be better. But you are right, the next map might not be that good. TY is the deciding factor - Cure has lost against him, while Trap has beaten him. So maybe Jin Air thought, KT starts with TY or send him as second ... | ||
bestviva
148 Posts
On May 19 2016 21:58 Diabolique wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2016 18:58 NinjaToss wrote: I'm still wondering why it's Trap, why is it not Cure, why Trap I'm so confused Exactly, this makes me quite nervous. I definitely expected Cure. Trap did not beat any serious opponent last season, except TY, but TY is not that good to be called a star. And Stats is a star. This might mean that sOs will not play at all in the finals. I hope it will not be the case. But if sOs should play, they need to keep him for the last place in roster. Probably, Trap loses to Stats, then immediately then next out comes Maru, who should kill Stats quite easily. And then, he should all kill up to Zest coming. Zest beats Maru. And then. we will see if anyone will be able to beat Zest. Rogue with "special Zest builds" was quite successful in the past, but this time, Zest will be probably careful, so I do not expect Rogue killing him. So let us hope, sOs will be spared for the last place and that he will come with some special strategy, which will beat Zest. So it will be: Stats > Trap Stats < Maru TY < Maru Zest > Maru Zest > Rogue Zest < sOs (?) XY < sOs ----- a little bit different from my scenario, if Stats lost to Maru, I think KT will send Zest out immediately, because #1, TY will probably lost to Maru and make the score to JAGW 2:1 KT, so damage must be stop at once; #2,assuming Zest win against Maru, then he may face Rouge, Zest's PVZ now is not good, so he may lost to Rouge, then KT will need TY with his TVZ to cover up the scord to JAGW 2:2 KT, at this moment ,all pressure will be on TY's shoulder, he must take down SOS, because both he and SOS are the only strong player left in their own team. if TY win ,then KT win , if SOS win, the JAGW win. tbh, both of two teams have similar situation, they only have 3 strong players, so which team lost their three killers earlier, which team lost. | ||
Orr
United States168 Posts
On May 19 2016 21:58 Diabolique wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2016 18:58 NinjaToss wrote: I'm still wondering why it's Trap, why is it not Cure, why Trap I'm so confused Exactly, this makes me quite nervous. I definitely expected Cure. Trap did not beat any serious opponent last season, except TY, but TY is not that good to be called a star. And Stats is a star. No idea what you're talking about. Trap was JAGW's second best player in R2, and clearly earned a starting lineup spot for the playoffs. He's #6 overall on the winners rankings for R2, and is the only player other than Maru to not lose a match all round. He defeated in order: Reality, TY, Horror, Dream. If you don't consider those three Terrans to be serious opposition, then I have no words. In the TL preview for the silver challenger match, I argued that TY wasn't in the S-tier that Zest, Maru, and Dark are (as they made him out to be). But to consider the GSL runner-up not a star, given what he's accomplished thus far in LOTV is laughable. I don't like the choice of Trap being sent out first though. Especially since the odds were high that KT would send out a P on Dusk Towers (the overwhelming odds being Stats, since they want to save Zest for later, especially to counter Maru). Trap has proven this past round that he's an excellent vT sniper, and he's always been strong vZ. Would have much rather saved him to counter TY later on. sOs would've been the easy call for me to start. Despite very shaky play all year, and decidedly mediocre (for him) results thus far in PL, he's shown some very innovative ideas and builds, and he has a proven history of performing in the playoffs. Always been strong in the mirror matchup, and his latest results in qualifying for SSL S2 (defeating Choya, Myungsik, Super) bode well for improved form. sOs is always a threat to get on a roll and win 2-3 games before you know what's hit you (never forgot the reverse AK to send KT to their grave last year, after everyone was already looking forward to D3). Cure is a solid overall player w/ strong TvT (although clearly not on the level of TY). His specialty is vZ, and would be the clear choice against the KT Z line of either Leenock/Losira. Although w/ his weaker vP, it's highly unlikely he'd beat Zest. And even TY would be favored. Against Z heavy teams like SKT, he should definitely start, but against the P dominated KT, Trap is the preferable play (for the round playoff format). Rogue has much of the same strengths/weaknesses as Cure. While looking excellent of late in the mirror ZvZ, and vT as well, his vP matchup stands out as a clear weakness (despite his occasional incredible meta-changing snipe builds). And while being a strong choice depending on the maps against TY/Leenock/Losira, he's a big underdog against Stats and Zest (even w/ the latter's weakest MU). Feel that he too matches up much better against the Z and T dominated SKT lines. *JAGW 4-3 (Maru over Zest in G7) | ||
Cricketer12
United States13840 Posts
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royalroadweed
United States8298 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On May 20 2016 00:04 Cricketer12 wrote: sOs reverse incoming Needs to be in cannon rush fashion though. | ||
The_Red_Viper
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XiZeL
Switzerland92 Posts
im just wondering what the rules are on this tournament or how i can find them, on the wiki page we have all the info about the results and machups but no info on how they are made (usually turnaments on the wikki have a format section explaining how the tournament will go). like i see during round robin each team plays another each week like in a football championship, but how are the maps and how players chosen for each match. also in the playoffs i see players winning and playing again, so like here its knock out system untill all players from the other team are eliminated. where can i find the info on all this? maybe a noob question but i really enjoy the matches of this league and would like to fully understand the format to better understand the plays. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_Proleague many thanks | ||
Blargh
United States2074 Posts
It's safe to say this will be closer than our other two series though. | ||
usopsama
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Elentos
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On May 20 2016 00:57 XiZeL wrote: hi all im just wondering what the rules are on this tournament or how i can find them, on the wiki page we have all the info about the results and machups but no info on how they are made (usually turnaments on the wikki have a format section explaining how the tournament will go). like i see during round robin each team plays another each week like in a football championship, but how are the maps and how players chosen for each match. also in the playoffs i see players winning and playing again, so like here its knock out system untill all players from the other team are eliminated. where can i find the info on all this? maybe a noob question but i really enjoy the matches of this league and would like to fully understand the format to better understand the plays. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_Proleague many thanks Okay, so for the round robin, KeSPA pre-determines the map orders for every match before the start of the round. And then every week, it's the team's responsibility to assign a player to each map. What player they choose depends what race the map favors, how the players feel about (e.g. does a player have a special build), and mainly who they think the other team sends out. Until both teams submit their player lineups to KeSPA, they don't actually know what the matches will look like. Granted, the best teams are experts at correctly predicting the opposing teams' lineups. For the round playoffs, Proleague uses the http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/All-Kill_Format and for the final playoffs at the end of the year, they use both formats. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36682 Posts
Jin Air will send out: Maru Rogue sOs Trap KT will send out: Zest Stats Leenock TY | ||
Elentos
55454 Posts
On May 20 2016 01:14 Seeker wrote: Welp, now we know how this plays out. Jin Air will send out: Maru Rogue sOs Trap KT will send out: Zest Stats Leenock TY Not like it was very mysterious to begin with. I guess there's a chance KT doesn't want to send out Leenock as their 4th player, but I doubt it. | ||
Cricketer12
United States13840 Posts
On May 20 2016 00:57 XiZeL wrote: hi all im just wondering what the rules are on this tournament or how i can find them, on the wiki page we have all the info about the results and machups but no info on how they are made (usually turnaments on the wikki have a format section explaining how the tournament will go). like i see during round robin each team plays another each week like in a football championship, but how are the maps and how players chosen for each match. also in the playoffs i see players winning and playing again, so like here its knock out system untill all players from the other team are eliminated. where can i find the info on all this? maybe a noob question but i really enjoy the matches of this league and would like to fully understand the format to better understand the plays. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_Proleague many thanks There are 3 rounds. Each round uses a round robin format to have each team play each other team once. These past two rounds matches were held monday and tuesday evening in Korea. KeSPA chooses the maps prior to the start of a new round. Teams are given the map list for a particular match and then chooses 4 players to field on the first four maps. Neither team is aware of who the other fielded until the choices are submitted and the announcement is made prior to that week's matches. Each player will participate in a single match until a team wins 3 maps. If an ace match is needed the ace players are chosen and revealed at that time. The top 4 teams enter the single elimination all kill format playoffs. The 3rd and 4th seed battle with the winner playing vs the 2nd seed with the winner facing the 1st seed. Points are distributed based on standing at end of round with extra points given based on playoffs performance. Top | ||
tjtombo
United States295 Posts
On May 19 2016 19:35 Durnuu wrote: I want KT to win but Jin Air is gonna crush them as they always do in all-kill An SKT fan rooting for KT? | ||
zakadar
Germany409 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On May 20 2016 01:55 tjtombo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2016 19:35 Durnuu wrote: I want KT to win but Jin Air is gonna crush them as they always do in all-kill An SKT fan rooting for KT? Wel I think they'd rather root for KT than us, the punching bag. :/ | ||
sparklyresidue
United States5521 Posts
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DSK
England1106 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On May 20 2016 01:55 tjtombo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2016 19:35 Durnuu wrote: I want KT to win but Jin Air is gonna crush them as they always do in all-kill An SKT fan rooting for KT? Telecoms solidarity | ||
Durnuu
13276 Posts
On May 20 2016 01:55 tjtombo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2016 19:35 Durnuu wrote: I want KT to win but Jin Air is gonna crush them as they always do in all-kill An SKT fan rooting for KT? KT is my 2nd favorite team, so now that SKT is out, I'm cheering for KT Also, it would be a shame if SKT lost to a loser | ||
Cashling
United States49 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15075 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13840 Posts
On May 20 2016 02:52 Durnuu wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2016 01:55 tjtombo wrote: On May 19 2016 19:35 Durnuu wrote: I want KT to win but Jin Air is gonna crush them as they always do in all-kill An SKT fan rooting for KT? KT is my 2nd favorite team, so now that SKT is out, I'm cheering for KT Also, it would be a shame if SKT lost to a loser Wtf, JAGW > SKT >>>>>>>>>>> KT | ||
oGsChess
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Elentos
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On May 20 2016 05:15 oGsChess wrote: that would mean he's got a 100% winrate in SPL this season You can't have it both ways. You can't both count the playoffs and say he's not lost in Proleague this year. | ||
wjat
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egrimm
Poland1196 Posts
On May 20 2016 03:49 Phredxor wrote: Whoever wins the first map wins it all. Yeah, the match is really even and the first map could be deciding factor regarding "who will snipe whom first". Still I'd say that Stats is slightly favoured against Trap and this makes me a bit anxious about the result :| Hoping for glorious sOs come back :D All in all Jin Air fighting! | ||
zakadar
Germany409 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15075 Posts
On May 20 2016 06:08 egrimm wrote: Yeah, the match is really even and the first map could be deciding factor regarding "who will snipe whom first". Still I'd say that Stats is slightly favoured against Trap and this makes me a bit anxious about the result :| Hoping for glorious sOs come back :D All in all Jin Air fighting! Yeah that's my thoughts. Will be huge if Jin Air is forced to send Maru out early and we get a chance to snipe him. | ||
Malgo
Germany76 Posts
On May 20 2016 01:14 Seeker wrote: Welp, now we know how this plays out. Jin Air will send out: Maru Rogue sOs Trap KT will send out: Zest Stats Leenock TY can agree, both teams place 2 protoss, but KT won't send out leenock, i think it will be losira instead | ||
iamkaokao
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rrrzzz
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Cricketer12
United States13840 Posts
On May 20 2016 07:49 rrrzzz wrote: Can we just have a game with a terran in this playoff? Considering KT opened with their best player...probably not | ||
The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On May 20 2016 07:59 Cricketer12 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2016 07:49 rrrzzz wrote: Can we just have a game with a terran in this playoff? Considering KT opened with their best player...probably not How can Stats be their best player when your sig clearly states that Zest is best? | ||
Cricketer12
United States13840 Posts
On May 20 2016 08:02 The_Red_Viper wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2016 07:59 Cricketer12 wrote: On May 20 2016 07:49 rrrzzz wrote: Can we just have a game with a terran in this playoff? Considering KT opened with their best player...probably not How can Stats be their best player when your sig clearly states that Zest is best? Perhaps zest is the best...but stats > Zest | ||
Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On May 19 2016 23:51 bestviva wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2016 21:58 Diabolique wrote: On May 19 2016 18:58 NinjaToss wrote: I'm still wondering why it's Trap, why is it not Cure, why Trap I'm so confused Exactly, this makes me quite nervous. I definitely expected Cure. Trap did not beat any serious opponent last season, except TY, but TY is not that good to be called a star. And Stats is a star. This might mean that sOs will not play at all in the finals. I hope it will not be the case. But if sOs should play, they need to keep him for the last place in roster. Probably, Trap loses to Stats, then immediately then next out comes Maru, who should kill Stats quite easily. And then, he should all kill up to Zest coming. Zest beats Maru. And then. we will see if anyone will be able to beat Zest. Rogue with "special Zest builds" was quite successful in the past, but this time, Zest will be probably careful, so I do not expect Rogue killing him. So let us hope, sOs will be spared for the last place and that he will come with some special strategy, which will beat Zest. So it will be: Stats > Trap Stats < Maru TY < Maru Zest > Maru Zest > Rogue Zest < sOs (?) XY < sOs ----- a little bit different from my scenario, if Stats lost to Maru, I think KT will send Zest out immediately, because #1, TY will probably lost to Maru and make the score to JAGW 2:1 KT, so damage must be stop at once; #2,assuming Zest win against Maru, then he may face Rouge, Zest's PVZ now is not good, so he may lost to Rouge, then KT will need TY with his TVZ to cover up the scord to JAGW 2:2 KT, at this moment ,all pressure will be on TY's shoulder, he must take down SOS, because both he and SOS are the only strong player left in their own team. if TY win ,then KT win , if SOS win, the JAGW win. tbh, both of two teams have similar situation, they only have 3 strong players, so which team lost their three killers earlier, which team lost. Well said, I agree, it would be better for KT to send Zest immediately if Maru beats Stats to have TY as a backup. Which still means, it will be exciting. Maru comes into the 2nd game and Zest into the 3rd game. No need to save the big guns for later. On May 19 2016 23:52 Orr wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2016 21:58 Diabolique wrote: On May 19 2016 18:58 NinjaToss wrote: I'm still wondering why it's Trap, why is it not Cure, why Trap I'm so confused Exactly, this makes me quite nervous. I definitely expected Cure. Trap did not beat any serious opponent last season, except TY, but TY is not that good to be called a star. And Stats is a star. No idea what you're talking about. Trap was JAGW's second best player in R2, and clearly earned a starting lineup spot for the playoffs. He's #6 overall on the winners rankings for R2, and is the only player other than Maru to not lose a match all round. He defeated in order: Reality, TY, Horror, Dream. If you don't consider those three Terrans to be serious opposition, then I have no words. In the TL preview for the silver challenger match, I argued that TY wasn't in the S-tier that Zest, Maru, and Dark are (as they made him out to be). But to consider the GSL runner-up not a star, given what he's accomplished thus far in LOTV is laughable. I don't like the choice of Trap being sent out first though. Especially since the odds were high that KT would send out a P on Dusk Towers (the overwhelming odds being Stats, since they want to save Zest for later, especially to counter Maru). Trap has proven this past round that he's an excellent vT sniper, and he's always been strong vZ. Would have much rather saved him to counter TY later on. sOs would've been the easy call for me to start. Despite very shaky play all year, and decidedly mediocre (for him) results thus far in PL, he's shown some very innovative ideas and builds, and he has a proven history of performing in the playoffs. Always been strong in the mirror matchup, and his latest results in qualifying for SSL S2 (defeating Choya, Myungsik, Super) bode well for improved form. sOs is always a threat to get on a roll and win 2-3 games before you know what's hit you (never forgot the reverse AK to send KT to their grave last year, after everyone was already looking forward to D3). Cure is a solid overall player w/ strong TvT (although clearly not on the level of TY). His specialty is vZ, and would be the clear choice against the KT Z line of either Leenock/Losira. Although w/ his weaker vP, it's highly unlikely he'd beat Zest. And even TY would be favored. Against Z heavy teams like SKT, he should definitely start, but against the P dominated KT, Trap is the preferable play (for the round playoff format). Rogue has much of the same strengths/weaknesses as Cure. While looking excellent of late in the mirror ZvZ, and vT as well, his vP matchup stands out as a clear weakness (despite his occasional incredible meta-changing snipe builds). And while being a strong choice depending on the maps against TY/Leenock/Losira, he's a big underdog against Stats and Zest (even w/ the latter's weakest MU). Feel that he too matches up much better against the Z and T dominated SKT lines. *JAGW 4-3 (Maru over Zest in G7) Trap has beaten 3 not "S-tier" level Terrans. I read your comment below the TL silver challenge preview and fully agreed with that. TY is a good player, but he is not on the level of Zest, Mark, Dark (and for me also Dear and herO). These players I am calling "Stars". TY is not that kind of star, although he is still very good. Yes, Trap had an excellent round (and I am happy as he brought me all the FPL points), but he did not beat any "Stars" in that round. Reality is not a star, Dream was a star in HotS, but not anymore. Only TY is quite close. I would never send sOs as first as he is not in a great shape and is quite dependent on the mental situation. I believe, sOs would lose to Stats if they met in the first game while he would beat Stats if it was the game 7. I believe, it is good to use anyone else and eventually send sOs as last hope. Because that is the moment, when he performs. Otherwise, I agree with your points. | ||
warlocke
97 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15617 Posts
On May 20 2016 11:02 warlocke wrote: really counting on maru to carry this. zest is too solid for sos and rogue at the moment I think rogue can always prepare a sick snipe build for zest. remember the bane drops? | ||
Dastansc2
81 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On May 20 2016 11:29 Dastansc2 wrote: KT ez pz Jin Air plz plz | ||
hostilekid
Canada11 Posts
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MoonyD
Australia191 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13840 Posts
On May 20 2016 11:29 Dastansc2 wrote: KT ez pz I see you also lost a sigbet | ||
yoshi245
United States2967 Posts
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tjtombo
United States295 Posts
On May 20 2016 02:52 Durnuu wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2016 01:55 tjtombo wrote: On May 19 2016 19:35 Durnuu wrote: I want KT to win but Jin Air is gonna crush them as they always do in all-kill An SKT fan rooting for KT? KT is my 2nd favorite team, so now that SKT is out, I'm cheering for KT Also, it would be a shame if SKT lost to a loser But SKT just lost..... | ||
Cricketer12
United States13840 Posts
On May 20 2016 14:04 tjtombo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2016 02:52 Durnuu wrote: On May 20 2016 01:55 tjtombo wrote: On May 19 2016 19:35 Durnuu wrote: I want KT to win but Jin Air is gonna crush them as they always do in all-kill An SKT fan rooting for KT? KT is my 2nd favorite team, so now that SKT is out, I'm cheering for KT Also, it would be a shame if SKT lost to a loser But SKT just lost..... Either he means its better to lose to KT or he meant kt and hopes jagw loses | ||
Phredxor
New Zealand15075 Posts
On May 20 2016 13:02 yoshi245 wrote: Be funny if Stats gets an all-kill rolling, then sOs out of nowhere reverse all-kills KT like he did before to make his triumphant return to form. No it wouldn't. He means that at least then SKT would have lost to the champs. Better than losing to some shitty team that couldn't even win the final. It's a coping mechanism when you're a SKT fan. | ||
swissman777
1106 Posts
On May 20 2016 14:32 Phredxor wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2016 13:02 yoshi245 wrote: Be funny if Stats gets an all-kill rolling, then sOs out of nowhere reverse all-kills KT like he did before to make his triumphant return to form. No it wouldn't. He means that at least then SKT would have lost to the champs. Better than losing to some shitty team that couldn't even win the final. It's a coping mechanism when you're a SKT fan. Well, SKT fans finally needs to stop being spoiled | ||
MushinSSC
31 Posts
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MushinSSC
31 Posts
On May 19 2016 22:33 NinjaToss wrote: KT has 3 Protoss JA also has 3 Protoss KT has 3 main pillars (Stats, Zest and TY) JA also has 3 main pillars (Maru, sOs and Rogue) illuminaty confirmed? how about PvP all the way until either of the team has to force out a player from another race? Cure is way better than Rogue | ||
Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Durnuu
13276 Posts
On May 20 2016 14:32 Phredxor wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2016 13:02 yoshi245 wrote: Be funny if Stats gets an all-kill rolling, then sOs out of nowhere reverse all-kills KT like he did before to make his triumphant return to form. No it wouldn't. He means that at least then SKT would have lost to the champs. Better than losing to some shitty team that couldn't even win the final. It's a coping mechanism when you're a SKT fan. Yeah, exactly. Except for the coping mechanism part | ||
XiZeL
Switzerland92 Posts
On May 20 2016 01:29 Cricketer12 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2016 00:57 XiZeL wrote: hi all im just wondering what the rules are on this tournament or how i can find them, on the wiki page we have all the info about the results and machups but no info on how they are made (usually turnaments on the wikki have a format section explaining how the tournament will go). like i see during round robin each team plays another each week like in a football championship, but how are the maps and how players chosen for each match. also in the playoffs i see players winning and playing again, so like here its knock out system untill all players from the other team are eliminated. where can i find the info on all this? maybe a noob question but i really enjoy the matches of this league and would like to fully understand the format to better understand the plays. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_Proleague many thanks There are 3 rounds. Each round uses a round robin format to have each team play each other team once. These past two rounds matches were held monday and tuesday evening in Korea. KeSPA chooses the maps prior to the start of a new round. Teams are given the map list for a particular match and then chooses 4 players to field on the first four maps. Neither team is aware of who the other fielded until the choices are submitted and the announcement is made prior to that week's matches. Each player will participate in a single match until a team wins 3 maps. If an ace match is needed the ace players are chosen and revealed at that time. The top 4 teams enter the single elimination all kill format playoffs. The 3rd and 4th seed battle with the winner playing vs the 2nd seed with the winner facing the 1st seed. Points are distributed based on standing at end of round with extra points given based on playoffs performance. Top thank you so much. would be great that they add this kind of info on the wiki page | ||
egrimm
Poland1196 Posts
On May 20 2016 06:35 Phredxor wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2016 06:08 egrimm wrote: On May 20 2016 03:49 Phredxor wrote: Whoever wins the first map wins it all. Yeah, the match is really even and the first map could be deciding factor regarding "who will snipe whom first". Still I'd say that Stats is slightly favoured against Trap and this makes me a bit anxious about the result :| Hoping for glorious sOs come back :D All in all Jin Air fighting! Yeah that's my thoughts. Will be huge if Jin Air is forced to send Maru out early and we get a chance to snipe him. Especially that both TY and Zest are good matches for KT. Maru vs TY is 50/50 and Zest is favored against Maru. Also both TY and Zest weakness is vZ and though Rogue is good I don't think he can snipe both. So on paper this match look better for KT than JAGW (especially with under performing sOs). However I believe in good map preparation from Jin Air and nice, tailored builds but for this to work Jin Air have to get an upper hand in choosing players for snipes so first win form Trap is even more important. So Trap, man please deliver | ||
Radicalness
United States271 Posts
I think it's going to come down to how Rogue and Maru do for JinAir though. | ||
Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
In the moment we need to be ready that Trap loses to Stats, everything else would be a surprise. And we send immediately Maru, who beats Stats. And KT sends out immediately Zest, who beats Maru. Then, we will have the two attempts to beat Zest with Rogue and sOs. I would be soooo happy if sOs manages to steal that ... | ||
Gawd
27 Posts
On May 20 2016 19:08 Diabolique wrote: Well, for the first game, I would still pick Cure instead of Trap, because he would have a higher chance against Stats. But he would have a lower chance against TY. In the moment we need to be ready that Trap loses to Stats, everything else would be a surprise. And we send immediately Maru, who beats Stats. And KT sends out immediately Zest, who beats Maru. Then, we will have the two attempts to beat Zest with Rogue and sOs. I would be soooo happy if sOs manages to steal that ... Cure played pretty well against zest in gsl group stage even though he lost .He would also be a good choice as the second player to snipe stats . Given rogue has some sick snipe builds , but he hasn't been at the top of his game recently. I would go with trap cure Maru sos . Stats did all kill skt but , he also recently lost 2-1 to bomber and lost a map to 'noregret' in gsl season 2 qualifiers. I wouldn't be that surprised if trap beats him . | ||
Hurricaned
France126 Posts
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Orr
United States168 Posts
On May 20 2016 16:52 egrimm wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2016 06:35 Phredxor wrote: On May 20 2016 06:08 egrimm wrote: On May 20 2016 03:49 Phredxor wrote: Whoever wins the first map wins it all. Yeah, the match is really even and the first map could be deciding factor regarding "who will snipe whom first". Still I'd say that Stats is slightly favoured against Trap and this makes me a bit anxious about the result :| Hoping for glorious sOs come back :D All in all Jin Air fighting! Yeah that's my thoughts. Will be huge if Jin Air is forced to send Maru out early and we get a chance to snipe him. Maru vs TY is 50/50 and Zest is favored against Maru. I would give Maru far better than 50/50 odds to beat TY in a TvT (although I think JAGW would much prefer Trap, and if he fails then Rogue, to face him initially). While TY wrecked Cure 4-0 in their GSL semifinals match, Maru is on another tier, and has ample footage to study along with inside information from his teammate on what to expect. On Aligulac, the recent results depicted under 'form' are all that matter. And Maru has won 22 of his last 24 games (91.67%). And is 12/12 in the mirror matchup. He's 16-0 in his most recent 10 matches. Including wins over Stats, Gumiho, Dark, and soO. He just went 12-0 combined in qualifying for both upcoming Starleagues. Maru is leading the only ladder rank that matters, PL Winners Rankings at an unfathomable 11-0 (after two rounds). 15-2 overall (6-0 vT) when including round playoffs. And last time in R1 playoffs silver challenger match, took out Stats, TY, and Leenock in order, before finally being stopped by Zest. Despite Stats currently being in dominant form and TY looking very strong in recent offline qualifying, there's little to suggest that anyone for KT other than the reigning GSL champion (and clear-cut consensus best player in the world) will be able to topple Maru. And even then I'd only give Zest a 50/50 chance, assuming the map choice is mostly a wash. Which I realize is absolutely insane to be saying about the greatest Protoss ever in SC2, and the best player in LOTV. But Maru is just that good. | ||
Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On May 20 2016 23:52 Orr wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2016 16:52 egrimm wrote: On May 20 2016 06:35 Phredxor wrote: On May 20 2016 06:08 egrimm wrote: On May 20 2016 03:49 Phredxor wrote: Whoever wins the first map wins it all. Yeah, the match is really even and the first map could be deciding factor regarding "who will snipe whom first". Still I'd say that Stats is slightly favoured against Trap and this makes me a bit anxious about the result :| Hoping for glorious sOs come back :D All in all Jin Air fighting! Yeah that's my thoughts. Will be huge if Jin Air is forced to send Maru out early and we get a chance to snipe him. Maru vs TY is 50/50 and Zest is favored against Maru. I would give Maru far better than 50/50 odds to beat TY in a TvT (although I think JAGW would much prefer Trap, and if he fails then Rogue, to face him initially). While TY wrecked Cure 4-0 in their GSL semifinals match, Maru is on another tier, and has ample footage to study along with inside information from his teammate on what to expect. On Aligulac, the recent results depicted under 'form' are all that matter. And Maru has won 22 of his last 24 games (91.67%). And is 12/12 in the mirror matchup. He's 16-0 in his most recent 10 matches. Including wins over Stats, Gumiho, Dark, and soO. He just went 12-0 combined in qualifying for both upcoming Starleagues. Maru is leading the only ladder rank that matters, PL Winners Rankings at an unfathomable 11-0 (after two rounds). 15-2 overall (6-0 vT) when including round playoffs. And last time in R1 playoffs silver challenger match, took out Stats, TY, and Leenock in order, before finally being stopped by Zest. Despite Stats currently being in dominant form and TY looking very strong in recent offline qualifying, there's little to suggest that anyone for KT other than the reigning GSL champion (and clear-cut consensus best player in the world) will be able to topple Maru. And even then I'd only give Zest a 50/50 chance, assuming the map choice is mostly a wash. Which I realize is absolutely insane to be saying about the greatest Protoss ever in SC2, and the best player in LOTV. But Maru is just that good. Nice. Maru has one "special ability" as the superheroes do. When some player finally beats him in a game, he is still able to win that game. Although all the fans already stopped watching, because he has lost the game, when they check the results, there is a "W" next to Maru. | ||
Cricketer12
United States13840 Posts
On May 20 2016 16:24 XiZeL wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2016 01:29 Cricketer12 wrote: On May 20 2016 00:57 XiZeL wrote: hi all im just wondering what the rules are on this tournament or how i can find them, on the wiki page we have all the info about the results and machups but no info on how they are made (usually turnaments on the wikki have a format section explaining how the tournament will go). like i see during round robin each team plays another each week like in a football championship, but how are the maps and how players chosen for each match. also in the playoffs i see players winning and playing again, so like here its knock out system untill all players from the other team are eliminated. where can i find the info on all this? maybe a noob question but i really enjoy the matches of this league and would like to fully understand the format to better understand the plays. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_Proleague many thanks There are 3 rounds. Each round uses a round robin format to have each team play each other team once. These past two rounds matches were held monday and tuesday evening in Korea. KeSPA chooses the maps prior to the start of a new round. Teams are given the map list for a particular match and then chooses 4 players to field on the first four maps. Neither team is aware of who the other fielded until the choices are submitted and the announcement is made prior to that week's matches. Each player will participate in a single match until a team wins 3 maps. If an ace match is needed the ace players are chosen and revealed at that time. The top 4 teams enter the single elimination all kill format playoffs. The 3rd and 4th seed battle with the winner playing vs the 2nd seed with the winner facing the 1st seed. Points are distributed based on standing at end of round with extra points given based on playoffs performance. Top thank you so much. would be great that they add this kind of info on the wiki page A lot of the info I gave is on the wiki overview. The rest you can pretty much figure out for yourself. | ||
Korakys
New Zealand272 Posts
On May 19 2016 19:35 swissman777 wrote: why not sOs tho? sOs's God-mode is activated under pressure. His weakness is his opponents' ability to extensively prepare specifically for him. | ||
Silvana
3713 Posts
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Executer08
Germany163 Posts
On May 21 2016 01:12 Silvana wrote: ha! all the Jin Air fans being so cute in this thread :D rip ;P $O$ bringing the heat and maru finally beating zest <3 | ||
zealotstim
United States455 Posts
Edit: I just wanted to say this match really solidified my thoughts on how much of a genius sOs is. When he gets out of sc2, he's gonna do something incredible with that quick analytical brain. I literally know nothing about him other than his sc2 games, but I feel fairly confident that he's smarter than I am in most things. | ||
Crocolisk Dundee
856 Posts
On May 22 2016 08:17 zealotstim wrote: That was a sick finals. What a back and forth match. Both teams are so good... My thoughts exactly. | ||
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