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Ok I need help i dont know WTF is going with this shit box anymore
keep it in semi-laman terms plz
1st of all, i am one of those people who closes the computer at night. Why? the fan makes a lot of noise and some ppl actually cant sleep.
Every single morning for the past few days, when i come to open the computer, it wont start. This is what it looks like, my monitor light is flashing telling me its trying to go on but wont cuz computer is fully on, but weird thing is my fuckin CD-player works. i can open the cd drive and close it whenever i want.
I have hit the restart button about 100 times until it finally fuckin opens. WHat the HELL is going on?
i used AVG.... got rid of all this shit so what is it? is there really a virus that does this shit?
i swear..... either i will die from a heart attack or this computer will find its way in the junkyard. either way one of us is leaving for good.
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First check if you have a floppy in your floppy drive, sounds easy but usually those are the symptoms from what you've described.
Second, does the computer beep when it turns on? It should beep at least once, this is called P.O.S.T test or [ Power on self test ] and if it doesn't beep or beeps alot then something is definitely wrong with your hardware configuration.
Rofl, Can I be official tech support for TL net? Eh cmon admins cool name colors?. Plz^^
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Have you done anything to change your configuration lately? Open your computer and make sure no cables are loose.
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CHECK TO SEE IF THERE IS ELECTRICITY IN THE COMPUTER! If not...throw it away it's fucked up then.
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Next time you get it on reformat the POS and reinstall windows. If it still gives you trouble durign startup then it is almost certainly a hardware problem.
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On July 11 2004 07:18 Veg wrote: Ok I need help i dont know WTF is going with this shit box anymore
keep it in semi-laman terms plz
1st of all, i am one of those people who closes the computer at night. Why? the fan makes a lot of noise and some ppl actually cant sleep.
Every single morning for the past few days, when i come to open the computer, it wont start. This is what it looks like, my monitor light is flashing telling me its trying to go on but wont cuz computer is fully on, but weird thing is my fuckin CD-player works. i can open the cd drive and close it whenever i want.
I have hit the restart button about 100 times until it finally fuckin opens. WHat the HELL is going on?
i used AVG.... got rid of all this shit so what is it? is there really a virus that does this shit?
i swear..... either i will die from a heart attack or this computer will find its way in the junkyard. either way one of us is leaving for good.
Hi Veg,
The same thing happens to my computer. Incidentally that's why I leave my computer on all the time (you get used to it). I think the power supply is to blame. So, let's both go and buy new power supplies.
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CHeck the monitor connection :|
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On July 11 2004 07:18 Veg wrote: my monitor light is flashing telling me its trying to go on but wont cuz computer is fully on
i don't understand that sentence. why would the monitor not work because the computer is running? if the computer is fully running and your monitor stays black i'd guess the monitor is unplugged or maybe the graphics card or any plug is broken. but i wouldn't expect any of those to be broken if you didn't jump on your computer recently. does your cpu fan spin? because if the cpu gets to hot while trying to boot the computer might just switch off immediately and the fan should go off as well. maybe dl "memtest" to check your ram.
but if you didn't change the configuration my guess is there's simply a loose cable. =)
btw: this thread explains how there could be such a huge boom in the computer industry. if you guys buy a new computer everytime something doesn't work... can't remember how many times my computer wouldn't boot anymore or crashed randomly a couple of times a day and everytime i got it working again just by trying stuff i read on the internet for hours and hours.
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can someone give me a link to a good tech support site?
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On July 11 2004 08:25 SoMuchBetter wrote: can someone give me a link to a good tech support site?
OpenTechSupport.net
I'm a member there, trust me they can help you with most anything.
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Throw the piece of crap out and buy a new one
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I have had this problem for a while now. After months of trying everything in the world to fix the problem and banging my head against the desk, I have concluded that I have a hard drive problem. If I clean and defrag all my drives, and properly shut down the comp, it will usually start back up, if for whatever reason the comp gets turned off without shutting down properly(comp freezes for example) , then I may need to turn on the comp a good 10-15 times to get the monitor on. Does your comp run stable when it is on, or is it buggy?
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On July 11 2004 07:46 TanGo wrote: CHECK TO SEE IF THERE IS ELECTRICITY IN THE COMPUTER! If not...throw it away it's fucked up then.
he said semi-laman it's not easy to check if there is electricity, and a semi-laman might even hurt his tongue
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i'd like to help here, as it is my occupation to do this type of work, but not over the internet, and especially not with such a lackluster description of problems. So far the smartest thing said was to simply check your monitors connection to your computer. Blinking lights, referring to the power button as "opening the computer", hammering the reset button, etc, just dont make any sense. Cant troubleshoot that.
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Here is my problem, hopefully it is the same or very simliliar to what happens to Veg. When I turn on the computer and monitor, the monitor will just blink. I hear the Operating System boot up, and I can even restart from here(alt f4 righ right enter) , so apparently the computer itself is working(although buggy when on) . If I turn the comp off and on over and over, eventually the monitor will will start to work. I have takin the comp appart and cleaned it out, pushed the graphix card in more, etc.. Like I said before, when everything gets shut down properly, it might actually turn on the first try, if not then it may take all day to get the thing running.
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Back everything up on DVD and reformat .
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Well it'd be alot easier to help you guys if you told us what kind of PC (specifically if you built it yourself). Also, has it always been like this? What exactly happens when you start it up (beeping sounds, does anything not start). And one last thing if you know, what kind of mother board do you own?
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On July 11 2004 09:22 0_0 wrote: Back everything up on DVD and reformat .
Agreed!
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On July 11 2004 08:33 TeCh)PsylO wrote: I have had this problem for a while now. After months of trying everything in the world to fix the problem and banging my head against the desk, I have concluded that I have a hard drive problem. If I clean and defrag all my drives, and properly shut down the comp, it will usually start back up, if for whatever reason the comp gets turned off without shutting down properly(comp freezes for example) , then I may need to turn on the comp a good 10-15 times to get the monitor on. Does your comp run stable when it is on, or is it buggy?
How did you conclude it's hard drive problem? You don't even need hard drive to get the monitor on.
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On July 11 2004 09:38 aSDMA wrote: Well it'd be alot easier to help you guys if you told us what kind of PC (specifically if you built it yourself). Also, has it always been like this? What exactly happens when you start it up (beeping sounds, does anything not start). And one last thing if you know, what kind of mother board do you own?
Friend build the comp. Athlon processor. Soyo motherboard(already sent motherboard back to manufacturer and nothing was wrong with it).
When it starts the monitor is on, but no pic appears. The light blinks as if it were asleep. I can hear the OS start up, so as far as I am aware everything else is working fine at startup. In general, the comp is very buggy though.
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How did you conclude it's hard drive problem? You don't even need hard drive to get the monitor on.
I didn't personally actually, the friend that build the comp did. It is more of a last resort desperation conclusion then something that was logically deduced.
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Take your power supply out of your case, get your Shop Vac and put the hose on so instead of sucking air, it blows air. Then take your power supply outside and blow out all the dust
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[Edit]I neglected to read that it's from you shutting down improperly. If that's the case it is probally from your hard drive. I'd try changing the monitor firstly, then work on the hard drive, as for everything else below you can ignore[/]
Well, i looked into a Soyo Manual i had laying around. There are help for monitors that don't start, however yours does occasionally so obviously this is beyond that.
First thing i'd do is make sure the monitor is plugged in and tightend correctly. Then i'd make sure the VGA card and Memory are in (do you know for certain everything is compatible with the motherboard?)
Then i'd update the Video Card drivers. This seems to be the problem in some cases.
If none of that works - the only way for you to fix this is through the process of elimination. Try a different monitor (that's how i fixed mine when this happend), a different VGA, a different hard drive, a different memory stick. Ultimately it would be one of those causing the problem.
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Thanks for the help guys
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If your computer doesn't turn on correctly, its probably a bad power supply. They are NOT built to last, they are just built for cost-effectiveness. I've gone through 3 or 4 power supplies on my athlon 2000+ already. Power supplies aren't expensive, just go buy one.
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Sounds like you have some serious issues, not just the normal ones that come with Windows, ask one of your friends, everyone has that one friend that can fix anything computer related for a 6pack.
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it's your power supply borrow a friends and test it
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Maybe its CIH virus? I heard it deletes your bios or soemthing, in that case your fucked . Psylo, if its buggy, its time to reformat . Generally computers need to be reformatted every 9-12 months, sometimes less if you download alot, or if you do some serious hardcore stuff on it.
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On July 11 2004 08:44 Breeze wrote: Show nested quote +On July 11 2004 07:46 TanGo wrote: CHECK TO SEE IF THERE IS ELECTRICITY IN THE COMPUTER! If not...throw it away it's fucked up then. he said semi-laman it's not easy to check if there is electricity, and a semi-laman might even hurt his tongue LOL
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If you have a USB keyboard, that might be the problem And make sure your Keyboard+Mouse are both fully plugged in, my computer wouldnt start up when my mouse wasnt fully plugged in...weird
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On July 11 2004 09:24 Eniram wrote:
AND SO IT BEGINS.
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Buy a new power supply and fan. They are often the source of many problems similar to yours.
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lol dont listen to all of those who suggestion it might be windows, software prob, harddrive or floppy. you dont even need a fucking harddrive, floppy or cd connected to motherboard to start the comp(get to bootup screen etc). Powersupplies die alot, thats the first thing i would check.
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I had this problem before(it started randomly after I hit the power switch a 100 times), I had to replace my motherboard which got screwed up by my powersupply unit(I realised this after changing my m-board which had been destroyed by the faulty powersupply). New power supply and a motherboard should maybe do the trick =) If ur in luck its only the powersupply unit.
do u have any warranty left on ur comp ? use it then --;
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It's illogical that it's his power supply - seeing how it only malfunctions when he shuts his computer off improperly.
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i had problems too with the monitor not turning on at startup, started it up in fail safe mode and reinstalled video drivers, worked like a charm
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On July 11 2004 14:54 karelen wrote: i had problems too with the monitor not turning on at startup, started it up in fail safe mode and reinstalled video drivers, worked like a charm
Thats the thing I haven't tried. I'll give it a whirl
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On July 11 2004 14:56 TeCh)PsylO wrote: Show nested quote +On July 11 2004 14:54 karelen wrote: i had problems too with the monitor not turning on at startup, started it up in fail safe mode and reinstalled video drivers, worked like a charm Thats the thing I haven't tried. I'll give it a whirl you tried a higher wattage power supply?
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nononono, youre all wrong. Someone already pointed out just now, that the monitor should be able to display a screen even from bios, which has nothing to do with your OS, your harddrive, your power supply, anything etc etc. The monitor is a stand alone unit fully capable of functioning on its own. Its especially helpful if your monitor allows you to adjust screen properties when its the only thing on (usually only quality monitors give you the On Screen Display with no signal). Psylo, you said you have had to push your video card in all the way before? Or you just did that once to make sure? If it budged at all, thats a bad thing. All your peripherals should always be 100% in contact. If your video card likes to come loose, dont screw it in. My card used to do this, the metal bracket that holds it in place was too stiff and would actualy pull the card out of socket, so i just stopped screwing it in, works perfectly.
If your OS can boot, and you have memorized the keystroke sequence to shut it down, you can rule out power supply and most any hardware problem besides the video card. Now, are you often performing a hard reboot? As in, just slamming the reset key? When you eventually get a picture, are you running in safe mode? The computer will do this if it detects multiple unsuccessfuly boots. If it finally boots after 3 times as if nothing happened, which is VERY ODD, then we need some system specifics here.
OS (version + service packs) Video card (driver version + manufacturer too)
If i were you, i'd try removing the video driver altogether and setting it as standard VGA and see how it boots with that a few times. You might even want to go in and delete your video cards relic drivers, all the .dll's and .vxd's that look similar to the installation files which could be causing conflicts residing on your system. WARNING!! Make sure you feel you are only deleting the right ones! Dont delete eveyr .dll or .vxd in your system directory. But if you have a nVidia based card, its pretty easy to assume all the nv***.dll files belong to it.
Take it from there. This is of course after a final inspection of all your connections and plugs. When you pull out the computer to check all this, leave it out. Dont disturb it or potentially reloosen the cable by pushing it back under your desk or something. You want a nice clean undisturbed testing enviroment each and every time. Last thing you want to find out is that your video cable comes loose when it hits the back of the wall by simply pushing your tower in, and go through all this hassle.
Btw, it wouldnt hurt to go into bios after you try some video driver changes, and set everything to Fail Safe options. You could have had some video tweaks in there that are playing hell with your system.
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On July 11 2004 17:55 NoobSaibot wrote: nononono, youre all wrong. Someone already pointed out just now, that the monitor should be able to display a screen even from bios, which has nothing to do with your OS, your harddrive, your power supply, anything etc etc. The monitor is a stand alone unit fully capable of functioning on its own. Its especially helpful if your monitor allows you to adjust screen properties when its the only thing on (usually only quality monitors give you the On Screen Display with no signal). Psylo, you said you have had to push your video card in all the way before? Or you just did that once to make sure? If it budged at all, thats a bad thing. All your peripherals should always be 100% in contact. If your video card likes to come loose, dont screw it in. My card used to do this, the metal bracket that holds it in place was too stiff and would actualy pull the card out of socket, so i just stopped screwing it in, works perfectly.
If your OS can boot, and you have memorized the keystroke sequence to shut it down, you can rule out power supply and most any hardware problem besides the video card. Now, are you often performing a hard reboot? As in, just slamming the reset key? When you eventually get a picture, are you running in safe mode? The computer will do this if it detects multiple unsuccessfuly boots. If it finally boots after 3 times as if nothing happened, which is VERY ODD, then we need some system specifics here.
OS (version + service packs) Video card (driver version + manufacturer too)
If i were you, i'd try removing the video driver altogether and setting it as standard VGA and see how it boots with that a few times. You might even want to go in and delete your video cards relic drivers, all the .dll's and .vxd's that look similar to the installation files which could be causing conflicts residing on your system. WARNING!! Make sure you feel you are only deleting the right ones! Dont delete eveyr .dll or .vxd in your system directory. But if you have a nVidia based card, its pretty easy to assume all the nv***.dll files belong to it.
Take it from there. This is of course after a final inspection of all your connections and plugs. When you pull out the computer to check all this, leave it out. Dont disturb it or potentially reloosen the cable by pushing it back under your desk or something. You want a nice clean undisturbed testing enviroment each and every time. Last thing you want to find out is that your video cable comes loose when it hits the back of the wall by simply pushing your tower in, and go through all this hassle.
Btw, it wouldnt hurt to go into bios after you try some video driver changes, and set everything to Fail Safe options. You could have had some video tweaks in there that are playing hell with your system.
The reason I said it was a power supply issue was because it sounded similar to my problem, where the machine doesn't POST and never starts up or feeds video to the monitor. Apparently the two problems aren't as related as I thought they were.
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well the interesting part is hes not just guessing hes able to boot into windows. Hes memorized how to shut it back down blindly. He can even launch apps, so we know his processor, bios, motherboard, and harddrive are all functioning. Windows is a very delicate OS, you wouldnt get this kind of effectiveness out of it if there were a foul PS or something else causing unusual errors on the hardware side.
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it would be nice if you have another video card to try out too. do you? Your video card itself could be potentially shot, have bad memory, bad conductor to the agp slot, etc etc. These are things the bios cannot detect, nor windows. They only detect the presence of a device. If you have another computer, you could also put the weird video card in that, and see how it functions.
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psylo's problem should be solved in like 2 minutes by anybody who knows what he's doing. so sad... 8[
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Hmmm... Ok, this is a very stupid suggestion, but I _actually_ encountered that at my parents' comp and the effects were completely identical.
Is there any chance your power button is stuck or your power button is close to your reset button and they get stuck together? It's a purely mechanical matter, if the reset button sticks in the "reset" position, the comp is going to keep resetting and resetting and resetting and it will never actually get to the POST (Power On Self-Test) procedure. Same with the power button, although in case of the power button it would've probably blown up your power supply already. So, before you start checking your OS, HDD, RAM, CPU, cooler, graphics card, power supply etc., first check for the possibility of such mechanical defects.
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On July 11 2004 18:25 Asta wrote: psylo's problem should be solved in like 2 minutes by anybody who knows what he's doing. so sad... 8[
That's incredibly stupid on so many levels. The fact that if you know what you're doing so much to the point where you can judge other people, and yet you're unable to help him contradicts yourself. The fact is there can be tons of problems that cause his computer to act as it does, and it's hard without being there to be able to interpret what's causing the problem. I personally think it's the video drivers. However for those who are saying it can't be the hard drive, you're wrong. Where do you think the CPU accesses those drivers?
Psylo, update the video drivers and don't shut your PC off incorrectly.
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On July 11 2004 18:31 Ilintar wrote: Hmmm... Ok, this is a very stupid suggestion, but I _actually_ encountered that at my parents' comp and the effects were completely identical.
Is there any chance your power button is stuck or your power button is close to your reset button and they get stuck together? It's a purely mechanical matter, if the reset button sticks in the "reset" position, the comp is going to keep resetting and resetting and resetting and it will never actually get to the POST (Power On Self-Test) procedure. Same with the power button, although in case of the power button it would've probably blown up your power supply already. So, before you start checking your OS, HDD, RAM, CPU, cooler, graphics card, power supply etc., first check for the possibility of such mechanical defects.
I really really doubt it, considering my Reset button isn't even enabled and I'm able to power the machine off and on when I want =)
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Where do you think the CPU accesses those drivers? What do you think the operating system does when it cant read a file?
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On July 11 2004 19:51 NoobSaibot wrote: What do you think the operating system does when it cant read a file?
My point was that there still is a possibillity that it could be the hard drive.
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Thnx for the help guys. All the hardware seems fine: cables connected, cards are in tight, its cleaned out. I will update my drivers later tonight and see how that goes.
My comp has also been buggy, and I'm not sure if it is related. It will freeze up, and sometimes take 5 to 20 minutes to get rolling again. For example, if I go to open explorer, my comp will freeze for 5 minutes, then carry on as usual. This happends mostly when I have a file sharing service running(mostly bittorent). When it freezes, bittorent will show that I am not sharing any files, as if my connection is down, altough the connection manager, my modem, and comcast say otherwise.
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so i finally opened my comp so much dust tryied cleaning as much as possible by vacuuming very lightly... couldnt get to a lot of the deep places also i cant seem to take out my main fan in the back of the computer... looks really dirty but theres warnings on the box its in saying not to open the cover and shit T_T
gonna get a new power plug soon --;
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dont worry about the fan in your power supply. Buy a can of compressed air from the grocery store stationary isle or something.
psylo, are you good with keeping a system clean of spyware and viruses? Download something called HIJACKTHIS.exe so we can get a look at everything that starts up in your system. You could take a simpler root and run msconfig.exe (download it if you need to) and see whats in your autostart registry.
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