The first three games look great. I can't say I'm excited about the second three, but GGPlay vs. Iris has the potential to be interesting. At least there aren't any mirrors.
If Much wins, he advances as #1 and the other three play a three-way for the second and third spots. If Oov wins, he advances as #1 together with Much and dongrae and Nada play a tiebreaker to determine who goes to the wildcards.
Up is already qualified as #1 and Yarnc as #2. If Up wins, FBH is third, if Anytime wins, Anytime and FBH will play a tiebreaker to determine who goes to the wildcards.
Casy is already qualified. If Child wins, he Goodfriend and July play a threeway tiebreaker, if Goodfriend wins, he advances as #2, July is third and Child fourth.
The winner advances along with GoRush (GGPlay would be first before Gorush, Iris second after Gorush), the loser plays a tiebreaker with fOrGG_V_ for third place.
On January 05 2007 00:41 Da_PlayerX wrote: u mean Sync was the "chosen one" winning OSL 2002? c'mon u cant be serious man, nice try .... heh destiny lol
On January 05 2007 00:41 Da_PlayerX wrote: u mean Sync was the "chosen one" winning OSL 2002? c'mon u cant be serious man, nice try .... heh destiny lol
well he was actually good back then ~___~
he was doomed to win man u dont understand, i wish it was me
during the match i always hear the commentators saying something along the lines of blahlbhalhbalhab 'aksimidaaaaaah'. What does that mean? Also, the music was awesome on VODs from 2003-2004. What happened?
On January 05 2007 01:41 spetial wrote: during the match i always hear the commentators saying something along the lines of blahlbhalhbalhab 'aksimidaaaaaah'. What does that mean?
o.O are you sure that sounds like what they're saying? what's happening in the game when they yell that?
On January 05 2007 01:41 spetial wrote: during the match i always hear the commentators saying something along the lines of blahlbhalhbalhab 'aksimidaaaaaah'. What does that mean? Also, the music was awesome on VODs from 2003-2004. What happened?
I'm pretty sure that means "shatter", or something similar. They shout it when buildings start exploding.
ill try to listen a bit more closely tonight and find out for sure. its usually taking place during something awesome and it always comes with alot of emphasis.
Shuttle getting near....,oov starts building his first turets + scan. I think he should hold on. DTs attacking factory , not able to get to the mineral line of Oov. Oov expo is also protected. 3 more DTs droped from Much, not doing any damage as turets are very well placed.
Heh... the cross position really saved oov there. But Much did really badly trying to recover from his failed DT drop. Maybe he's busy practising for tomorrow.
On January 05 2007 02:03 The Storyteller wrote: Heh... the cross position really saved oov there. But Much did really badly trying to recover from his failed DT drop. Maybe he's busy practising for tomorrow.
Had MSL yesterday, OSL today, proleague tomorrow ^^
On January 05 2007 02:05 Orome wrote: Goddamn Arkanoid is a shitty map. The map makers can be lucky MBC invented Desert Fox, that way we have an even worse map to rag on. -_-
Agreed. I don't like any of the maps this season except reverse lt. -_-
On January 05 2007 02:04 Polemarch wrote: i think some pro teams are training their players to show off to the camera more to build popularity
Business is business...
yeah i think it's great, actually! shows their humanity better. players sitting and looking neutral after a match (win or lose) takes some of the excitement out of it. i think it's part of the reason why boxer was so popular, he knew how to celebrate.
On January 05 2007 02:04 Polemarch wrote: i think some pro teams are training their players to show off to the camera more to build popularity
Business is business...
yeah i think it's great, actually! shows their humanity better. players sitting and looking neutral after a match (win or lose) takes some of the excitement out of it. i think it's part of the reason why boxer was so popular, he knew how to celebrate.
Part of the reason why Legionnaire was so popular!
I notice the TV stations have developed the art of holding the camera on the players a really long time to force a reaction out of them....... and.... slow starter?!
On January 05 2007 02:04 Polemarch wrote: i think some pro teams are training their players to show off to the camera more to build popularity
Business is business...
yeah i think it's great, actually! shows their humanity better. players sitting and looking neutral after a match (win or lose) takes some of the excitement out of it. i think it's part of the reason why boxer was so popular, he knew how to celebrate.
IMO, PG's non demonstrative behaviour is also due at the whole asian culture
I think the map sucking had nothing to do with the first game. You can't go mass DT drop, fail completely, and then hope to win, whatever the map. I think it's still a bit too early to complain about the T>>P ness on Arkanoid. I'm confident a well-executed shuttles/goons/reavers strat and possible switch to carriers during midgame can be effective on any map of that kind.
Anyway, looking forward to the second game a lot.
Ahah, 2 rax. That Sea Up guy definitely has balls.
On January 05 2007 02:17 PoP wrote: I think the map sucking had nothing to do with the first game. You can't go mass DT drop, fail completely, and then hope to win, whatever the map. I think it's still a bit too early to complain about the T>>P ness on Arkanoid. I'm confident a well-executed shuttles/goons/reavers strat and possible switch to carriers during midgame can be effective on any map of that kind.
Anyway, looking forward to the second game a lot.
Ahah, 2 rax. That Sea Up guy definitely has balls.
I wasn't talking about balance here, I just generally dislike the kind of games Arkanoid produces.
On January 05 2007 02:26 Adamthegreat wrote: Anytime, dominating last OSL up to the final where he very closely lost to Nada, now goes 0-3 vs Firebatthero, Yellow[name] and Up.Magic....
The worst fucking thing is that he should have won it easily if he just had built his first gate and core in main. It's not PvZ anytime, you don't need to fucking block that natural.. GAAAHHHHH!!!! WHYYYYY!
That was some amazing play. I think this strat worked especially well because of the positon of the gate. It was surrounded by minerals in nearly every direction so scv stack was really easy for upmagic. He slided into the goons so they couldnt move, so there was no possibility of anytime microing them once they got trapped.
He probably used up his gas making goons and then had to pull the probes to defend before he could get a DT out. I think Anytime could have sacrificed the gateway at his nat and just pumped out of the one in his main. That position was much more defensible, and would have bought him time to make those DTs.
On January 05 2007 02:26 Adamthegreat wrote: Anytime, dominating last OSL up to the final where he very closely lost to Nada, now goes 0-3 vs Firebatthero, Yellow[name] and Up.Magic....
On January 05 2007 02:26 Adamthegreat wrote: Anytime, dominating last OSL up to the final where he very closely lost to Nada, now goes 0-3 vs Firebatthero, Yellow[name] and Up.Magic....
man, yeah that was terrible goon micro by anytime. i thought he had that when the first goon popped out and zealot/probe killed most of the early marines.
but that natural area looks nice for scv vs goon, since there's so many minerals/gas to let you stack scvs with
On January 05 2007 02:26 Adamthegreat wrote: Anytime, dominating last OSL up to the final where he very closely lost to Nada, now goes 0-3 vs Firebatthero, Yellow[name] and Up.Magic....
Jesus...
It's not like any of those are bad players.
Compared to Gorush, Midas, Nada etc that he faced last OSL, they are at least unproven players.
Up.Magic is a first-timer (surprisingly good but def. not proven yet) Yellow[name] in a very inconsistent player who obviously has a big potential but never really got anywhere so far... firebatthehero is a typical average good terran player, not spectacular but solid (and boring )
On January 05 2007 02:31 GoBOXERgogo wrote: Anyone ever heard of Sea.up before this osl?
in non-pro gosu circles yes, but not as a progamer. I mean, I've seen sea.up replays vs famous progamers, but this is first time in leagues that I've heard of him.
On January 05 2007 02:26 Adamthegreat wrote: Anytime, dominating last OSL up to the final where he very closely lost to Nada, now goes 0-3 vs Firebatthero, Yellow[name] and Up.Magic....
Jesus...
argh
and to think back in the group selection stage everyone said anytime would have an easy time advancing.
On January 05 2007 02:26 Adamthegreat wrote: Anytime, dominating last OSL up to the final where he very closely lost to Nada, now goes 0-3 vs Firebatthero, Yellow[name] and Up.Magic....
Jesus...
It's not like any of those are bad players.
Compared to Gorush, Midas, Nada etc that he faced last OSL, they are at least unproven players.
Up.Magic is a first-timer (surprisngly good but def. not proven yet) Yellow[name] in a very inconistent player who obviously has a big potential but never really got anywhere so far... firebatthehero is a typical average good terran player, not spectacular but solid (and boring )
Yellow won with an all in strategy Anytime wasn't prepared for, and FBH is really good TVP and sea up did that cheese strategy. Plus it's not like Anytime is supposed to be so godly over everyone cause of his OSL trip. I mean if you redid that osl 5 times you might not even see him in the finals more than that one time.
FBH is like the new GF yeah. Up is like...hmm I dont fucking know actually. Only Boxer, and sometimes Sea and Nada have his ballsyness. Exciting player for sure.
On January 05 2007 02:33 SayGG wrote: So we will have 4 seeds: UpMagic, Midas, Casy and Hwasin. Not needed to mention the race distribution.
And Oov. -_-
There'll be one Zerg though, Gorush or GGPlay depending on today's result.
Last season only players who went 3-0 in their group were seeded. Did they change that?
btw: how do you want to seed 6 players in 16 players bracket in a fair way?
Well I don't remember how that worked at all, that was pretty weird. But I'm pretty sure there's a fixed number of seeds. You don't know how many will go 3-0 so I'd be surprised if those were the only seeds.
On January 05 2007 02:33 SayGG wrote: So we will have 4 seeds: UpMagic, Midas, Casy and Hwasin. Not needed to mention the race distribution.
And Oov. -_-
There'll be one Zerg though, Gorush or GGPlay depending on today's result.
Last season only players who went 3-0 in their group were seeded. Did they change that?
btw: how do you want to seed 6 players in 16 players bracket in a fair way?
I think #1 in the group if two players have the same score is decided through the result between them, i.e. in this case Ilovoov would be considered #1 in his group since he won over Much today.
On a side not, this means that nada and Dongrae have to play a regame right?
FBH really suxx because his style ressembles Goodfriend´s style very much. And GF is really really boring. But i do not think sea.up will succeed in the long term because if the other players get used to his style he will lose. i think he has a starter bonus like the other rookies (e.g. dongrae) and all rookies do not suck because the old chaps do not know their style of play
On January 05 2007 02:33 SayGG wrote: So we will have 4 seeds: UpMagic, Midas, Casy and Hwasin. Not needed to mention the race distribution.
And Oov. -_-
There'll be one Zerg though, Gorush or GGPlay depending on today's result.
Last season only players who went 3-0 in their group were seeded. Did they change that?
btw: how do you want to seed 6 players in 16 players bracket in a fair way?
Well I don't remember how that worked at all, that was pretty weird. But I'm pretty sure there's a fixed number of seeds. You don't know how many will go 3-0 so I'd be surprised if those were the only seeds.
Yeah, but the OSL system isnt that stable overall. Im waiting for a season with 6 3way ties and then these groups will go mainly 1-1 with reregames etc. One day OGN will run into into a serious schedule problem with their system.
As you can see I like the MSL system much more. Including the whole survivor thing. Its even fairer (easier to qualify for the next season if you go further in the current MSL). The only problem is thats its harder to follow if you arent really into it.
light attempting to go up to 12 expo, savior comes in with lurker ling muta, kills off the entire ball. vessle dies as well. defiler out. 2 group of mm, 2 tanks for light back at main.
On January 05 2007 03:10 gravity wrote: Good game, Savior played brilliantly at the beginning. I think he needs to tone down his late-game recklessness though.
ehh... it was like 5 or 6 bases to 2. he knew he had the game in the bag already.
Can someone explain me why that map has such bad record ZvT, it look pretty ok for me, gas natural, next expansion with even two gas(good for zerg) , there are wide areas...
IMO Savior's expo at 5 is a very arrogant move >< But his expanding timing and sunken usage are simply perfect. Never seen a Zerg using sunkens, nydus canals and scourges as brilliant as him.
On January 05 2007 03:10 gravity wrote: Good game, Savior played brilliantly at the beginning. I think he needs to tone down his late-game recklessness though.
ehh... it was like 5 or 6 bases to 2. he knew he had the game in the bag already.
Well, he made it a lot harder than it needed to be. Light was almost making a comeback. It seems like an uneccessary risk to get sloppy just because you think you have an overwhelming advantage.
I think it was pure art from Savior. Longinus is horrible for Zerg if the terran can establish himself at his mineral only. Why did Savior win his game? Not because of his early game: many zergs have had early games as good as Savior but still got raped in the end. He won because of nicely calculated attacks and that art expansion @ 5 prevented Light from defending with his entire army. Well it was either defending with his entire army or face a Savior with 8 gases (and possibly 10 in the long run).
On January 05 2007 02:50 SayGG wrote: As you can see I like the MSL system much more. Including the whole survivor thing. Its even fairer (easier to qualify for the next season if you go further in the current MSL). The only problem is thats its harder to follow if you arent really into it.
Yeah it's definitely better. What I particularly dislike about the OSL system is the first round, where 16 players qualify out of 24. I think it's too much. Players who go 1-2 should definitely not have 2 chances out of 3 to go through.
On January 05 2007 03:14 Highways wrote: sAviOr nearly screwed up by suiciding alot of small groups of ultra/ling. i guess he knew he had won it anyway.
No he didn't screw up. He attacked a lot because he didn't want Light to have a big and unbreakable defense. He had a lot more ressource then his opponent so he could afford to lose the first battles as long as he kept attacking. Light just couldn't keep up (which he probably would've if he had a safe mineral only expansion.)
On January 05 2007 02:50 SayGG wrote: As you can see I like the MSL system much more. Including the whole survivor thing. Its even fairer (easier to qualify for the next season if you go further in the current MSL). The only problem is thats its harder to follow if you arent really into it.
Yeah it's definitely better. What I particularly dislike about the OSL system is the first round, where 16 players qualify out of 24. I think it's too much. Players who go 1-2 should definitely not have 2 chances out of 3 to go through.
On January 05 2007 03:12 M2 wrote: Can someone explain me why that map has such bad record ZvT, it look pretty ok for me, gas natural, next expansion with even two gas(good for zerg) , there are wide areas...
On January 05 2007 03:12 mrdx wrote: IMO Savior's expo at 5 is a very arrogant move ><
I was thinking that would be a good place to expo, then they showed the hatch building there :p.
I don't see how could it be better than @3? Zerg will have to use nydus canal or mass sunkens there. At that point the game was already Savior's, I guess he thought it would be cool to sandwitch attack Light from both the north and that expo. >< Such a beast
lol..be more humble yet if you were in his position you'd probably think you were a fucking god. W/e though, people are far more cocky about things they're far less good in so..think what you want.
On January 05 2007 03:12 mrdx wrote: IMO Savior's expo at 5 is a very arrogant move ><
I was thinking that would be a good place to expo, then they showed the hatch building there :p.
I don't see how could it be better than @3? Zerg will have to use nydus canal or mass sunkens there. At that point the game was already Savior's, I guess he thought it would be cool to sandwitch attack Light from both the north and that expo. >< Such a beast
I just figured that Light would be less likely to scout there until he was ready to expand himself, which wouldn't be for a while given the pressure he was under from Savior.
On January 05 2007 03:20 puLs.ReADy wrote: Savior raped Terran who has one of the scariest tvz atm with record 8-2 or smth on Terran Map or Anti Zerg Map with 1-9 record . GG NO RE
I wouldn't go as far as to call it rape. Light was only a few seconds - if that - too late to kill off the 12 multi. If he could ascend the ramp before the lurkers were done he wuold have been in a great position.
I'm almost as impressed with Light's comeback as Savior winning. True it was still over but Light somehow looked like he had a small chance for a minute
On January 05 2007 03:24 Hot_Bid wrote: you're allowed to be cocky when you win games like this
i really like the personality savior has, its better than the mind numblingly boring "polite robot" that most progamers are
savior knows hes the shit and acts accordingly
Seriously..and his whole 'cockyness' is just his facial expressions after games and what not. It's not like he's pumping his fist and spitting in the guy's eye or something.
i love korean tv. watching this stuff live is so much cooler then some vod or replay. im also happy because I can go out all night and come back loaded and still catch SC programming events before I go to bed!!! OMG PROLEAUGE FINALSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS... ps. goodfriend fighting
On January 05 2007 03:25 Hot_Bid wrote: you have to stay motherfucking cocky to win, i bet lots of progamers are, just savior is the one that shows it, so the rest of them are simply liars.
Agreed with that. I think it's a necessity in order to be that successful. You need to have absolute confidence in yourself... which is not that much different from cockyness.
On January 05 2007 03:16 sage_francis wrote: IMO, ipx should be more humble
They are still young, let them have fun.
I think a PG must give his maximum on each game he plays. Be a progamer is a privilege.
no its not? they've rightfully earned their position. everyone is there because they're that damn good, and when you're that damn good you should know it and be able to show it.
Savior shows once again that he is the best player of all time. He continue to win on absolutely terranishe maps (Midas is one exception). It will be very sad if he won't win this OSL. If Nada wins that will be really shame (stupid OSL format and terranishe maps). Go, go, go Savior!!!
On January 05 2007 03:35 Byyk wrote: Savior shows once again that he is the best player of all time. He continue to win on absolutely terranishe maps (Midas is one exception). It will be very sad if he won't win this OSL. If Nada wins that will be really shame (stupid OSL format and terranishe maps). Go, go, go Savior!!!
Savior still is not by any means the_greatest_player_of_all_time. There is a lot to accomplish to be the very best.
gf runs straight into muta lurker, loses all but one medic. he is very short on medcs now. lurker ling moving back to child's main, head up through the temple area that has been cleared, gf comes back to attack min only.
Savior is in both leagues now. As I see it He can win both, especially MSL. OSL is very hard for him to win due to maps. If He do not win it will be due to map but at the end everyone remember only the winner (Coca-Coal OSL for example, imposible for Yellow to win agains Boxer). Savior current skill is the highest ever reached by any player. Savior, Savior, Savior!!!
defiler is irradiated, no consume so it cant cast swarm, nope it does cast swarm and saves the mound. mm vessle moves into the gas area of ggplay, gg from ggplay.
The winner advances along with GoRush (GGPlay would be first before Gorush, Iris second after Gorush), the loser plays a tiebreaker with fOrGG_V_ for third place.
On January 05 2007 04:28 GoBOXERgogo wrote: GGplay mined more gas and minerals/still lost. Embaressing =/
u have to consider the exellence micro management of Iris durign the big clash and some small battles afterwards, 'cause of that, he came out on top and won the game...
On January 05 2007 04:31 Luhh wrote: Yooi raped his way through 2 zergs into this OSL, so with this map against only a decent ZvTer like zergman I went with Yooi.
zergman is not even decent, he's completely ass at ZvT
however he's still so lovable. for this i will always cheer for him
I know iris microed well but that force was fucking all ggplay needed to hold off to win the game. couldn't he of just let the expo die or save those lurkers he had until the others morphed? Seems like ggplay screwed that up badly.
yooi tries to drop in the northern part of Z base but has to reload b/c of lings, confrontation now with massss lings and lurker at the upward wide ramp in mid, yooi loses everything, currently 2 tank 2 vessle 1 group of mm at his choke, zman has 2-3 groupds of lings.
go go eliminate a great zerg in the ro16 for the third time in a row only to lose the zvt in ro8! seriously guys if he draws against savior, savior is toast and zergman will lose to upmagic or somebody next round
On January 05 2007 05:06 SayGG wrote: The wildcardgames are gonna suck! If GGplay defeats ForGG (which is not that unlikely) in the tiebreak it will be mass TvT followed by pure ZvZ!
what do u mean? the whole tournament is ZvZ, TvT and ZvT
On January 05 2007 05:06 SayGG wrote: The wildcardgames are gonna suck! If GGplay defeats ForGG (which is not that unlikely) in the tiebreak it will be mass TvT followed by pure ZvZ!
what do u mean? the whole tournament is ZvZ, TvT and ZvT
If they sort by A-C and D-F round robins he's right, with the exception of 1 T in D-F.
On January 04 2007 23:56 LemOn wrote: I am really looking forward to that Anytime vs Upmagic game, that will surely be some cheesy opening from one or another