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Hello Teamliquid. It feels good to be back.
I have spent the last five years away from home, and away from you, while serving in the US Navy on a guided missile Destroyer out of Japan. While the experience has been a once in a lifetime opportunity, and in the process I have seen and done things I would most likely otherwise never get the chance to see or do, I have missed my Starcraft family. I have done a rather large blog entry with details of my experiences, if you are interested you can find the link here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=231829 (yes, I stll plan to continue it!)
Let’s take a step back for a minute and let me introduce myself. During BW I played ladder mostly under the id ilovepj, but I also used the name iR.Babyblue on WGTour, and went by make7-upyours on US west. Some of the more old school players might remember me, but for the most part I am a general unknown.
I have been playing Starcraft since I was around 13 years old, sometime in 2001. I was always on the edge of being a “good” player, achieving the highest rank possible on WGTour during a season where there was 90+ people who made it(thats a lot for WGT), and B on PGTour, and my most impressive “achievement”, B+ on iCCup. I have played for various Team USAs and Team USA Bs, but never had any impressive results in nation wars. I worked tirelessly on improving, and for years I dreamed of being recruited into a Korean pro house, but as hard as I tried, I was never anywhere near the skill of a Rekrul, Idra, Draco, or Nony.
Late in the life of my Starcraft career I started becoming friends with another highly motivated USA protoss, who like myself was more interested in playing and learning with the Koreans than with other foreigners. His name was Eric “G5” Rothmuller. After quite a bit of discussion, we made plans to fund our own trip to Korea, in an attempt to live there for a while, focusing entirely on our training with some of the best players in the world, and work on making contacts with some the Pro gaming teams in the area.
We both had rather large networks set up on US West (the “Korean” server) as far as Korean practice partners, but we wanted more. Don’t get the wrong idea, we in no way had the skills necessary to pull off this endeavor, but we had a dream that we didn’t want to give up on, and this was the way we thought was best to follow that dream. We had contacts in Korea helping us with the transition, and we had a number set for the cost it would take to stay for the duration that we wanted.
Eric came from a rather wealthy background, and the money side of things was never an issue for him. I however, was a poor kid from a lower income family with around $2.5k saved up from a few previous jobs, but it wasn’t enough. Eric said that if I could come up with half of the money he would pay the other half, but it never happened. I was slowly adding to my bankroll, but I never got to the $5k goal. Eventually Eric decided he wasn’t going to wait anymore, and he went without me. I can’t say for sure if his trip proved worth it or if I was better off not going, but it is still something that I regret missing out on. I don’t think Eric regretted his decision at all, and to this day I have a great deal of respect for him for having the drive to follow through with this decision, even when I couldn’t go with him.
Missing out on this trip didn’t put a damper on my motivation however, and I continued playing hard for another 6 months or so, but wrist pain was quickly becoming a serious problem, and I felt like I was at a giant plateau in my skill level. One day I sent a message to one of the best foreign players ever to play the game, ToT)Testie. He had also been suffering from severe wrist pain, and at that time had been taking the steps necessary to remedy this, and was in the middle of an extremely difficult recovery. We talked for a little while about my wrist pain, and eventually told me that if he was in my situation, he would quit. At the time my life was so heavily involved in my goal that I didn’t know what else I would do if I quit, but I slowly began to distance myself from Starcraft, not because Testie told me to, but because I was starting to question if I had the ability to achieve what I wanted. I ended up taking up WoW and raided heavily for around 6 months before realizing that my life wasn’t going the way I wanted it to go. I could always go back to college, but I still didn’t know what I wanted to do with my life, so picking a degree seemed impossible. Instead, I joined the Navy.
Now it is 2013, and I have served my time and after spending 6 months in India with broken legs(that's a story for another day!), I am finally at a place in my life where I can get back into doing what I love. I have played a little bit of SC2, but I am a relative noob to the game, hovering currently around mid diamond simply due to my mechanical understanding of the game. My friend recently quit playing and has donated his account to me, so I will have access to full time play for the first time since SC2 was released.
When I was playing previously I would play games on my friends Masters account and do relativly well in early WoL, however the game has evolved so much that just going on my mechanical background isnt enough for masters anymore. People are better!
Now that I am done with everything I plan on taking some time off from any kind of work or school, and returning to the dream that I had 8 years ago. I have almost $60k from careful savings during my time in the military, enough money to last me for a long time if I believe its worth it to continue. It has been almost 5 years since I gave up my goal, but my motivation to be a part of this community has never faltered. While the goal I had when I was younger to become pro seems a bit unrealistic due to my life other life goals, I do want to put enough time and effort into this game to make an impact.
The time spent away from the Starcraft community has shown me how much I love it. I love the scene, the teams, and I love the game. But beyond everything else, I love the people who play it. It takes a specific type of person to play Starcraft on a competitive level, and I like to believe I fit with that personality quite well. I remember some years back there was a poll about personality type on Teamliquid that included a link to a Meyers Briggs personality test. Something like 80% of the people who answered ended up being either an INTP or an INTJ, a strange anomaly considering those are two of the least common personality types.
We are a unique community, one that I have always considered myself to be lucky to be apart of, and I hope that I can structure my life in a way that lets me do everything I can to improve this wonderful thing that we have. As much as I want to succeed in the eSports world, my number one priority is helping it grow and evolve. I want to be involved in this huge thing that is happening right now, because I think that when we look back on this in 30 years, this will be the time that set the foundation for a new era, not only in entertainment, but also in history.
Enough about the sentimental side of things, lets talk business. I believe that the reason why I didn’t make it to the top level in Starcraft, was my inability to push myself past limits that I was uncomfortable with, and to a lesser extent a lack of structured practice method. While I was in the military, I spent 12-15 hours a day on watch, so I have had a lot of free time to think over the past few years, and I have tried to refine my methodology into a system that I believe will give the best results. I have come to the conclusion that the best thing to do is just keep it simple, and not overcomplicate the learning process.
I narrowed it down to a few main topics to remember, and a few rules to follow.
Push your limits. I think this is the hardest rule for people to follow, because pushing your limits means that you are taking yourself outside of your comfort zone, generally making yourself worse for a certain period of time before making yourself better. Some examples of this are things like, if you lack the APM to micro a certain battle and keep your macro up, and you are accustomed to simple A moving and then going back to macro, you need to force yourself to try to do both. Most likely at first the only result will be you messing up both, but by working on it eventually you will bring yourself past your original point, something that would never happen if you simply stayed within your comfort zone and did what you knew would give you best results at the time.
Don’t give up on your build. Do the proper research required to find a build that you want to use, and stick with it until it is perfected. Too often in SC1 I would give up on a specific build after a string of losses, beginning a completely new style. Find the build for that matchup, be stubborn about it, and make small changes to your build as necessary.
Focus on one or two things at a time. Every game should have a focus. At any given time in any matchup, you should have a set group of things to work on, be it something as large as making sure to keep your money below a certain point, or detailed things like remembering to build proxy pylons all around the map for scouting and flanks.
Watch every loss. As cliché as it sounds, too often in the past I found myself blaming my losses on some stupid choice I made 30 minutes in the game, and telling myself that I know exactly why I lost and have nothing to gain from studying the game. While learning, try to think rather than react in game. This is another one that I think people have a hard time with. While I think reactionary play is the best way you can play the game at the highest level, while you are in a learning state, it is important that you have cognitive reasoning behind your choices. Positive attitude. Think logically not angrily, and don’t let things get to you. Be able to overcome any obstacle, and most importantly, believe in yourself. I’m sure that as I play and as I use this practice methodology it will continue to change and evolve. Perhaps one day when I feel a bit more qualified I will write an entire article about my practice method, but for now I am still in the process of learning how to learn.
Initially I plan on cutting my areas of focus into the smallest pieces that I can at one time. First I will be focusing on the early game, working on perfecting a single build order, most likely a 2 base timing attack for all matchups. After I feel I have perfected the build for each specific matchup (will be 100s of games per matchup), I will begin to move forward in my outlook, focusing instead on finding a 3 base timing attack for all matchups, while still occasionally integrating my 2 base timing just to keep it sharp. After this is perfected (I expect this will take quite some time, don’t want to change again before high masters or even GM), I will move into a purely passive style, designed to take a fast 3rd and then transition into a lategame focused army.
I will be streaming all of my games, and going over the replays of my losses in a systematic evaluation process, doing the best I can do record my thoughts on stream. I will be doing this for two reasons, first of course I am interested in providing instructional content to the community, but at the same time I want a video log of both my games as well as the process that I was using for improvement, so that I can go back and watch exactly what I was doing, looking for holes not only in my gameplay but also in my learning style.
I will be playing almost entirely on the Korean server, not so much because I believe I will have better practice (at least, pre GM), more because I enjoy the peace of mind that comes from laddering against people who can’t speak English. I will compete in the North American daily Playhem tourneys that I used to see Axslav do on his stream (by the way, I recommend watching Axslavs stream for any protoss trying to learn, grubby is amazing to learn from as well) for two reasons. First, it will develop you more as a tournament player rather than just a ladder player, and second, it will be a good tracker or improvement, something that is extremely important.
I plan on going over all my losses in extreme detail, similar to Artosis in his stream, reviewing all of my replays in a purely analytical style.
I will be making regular blog posts about my progress, as well as how I feel my practice methods are working, and how I plan to adapt them as I continue.
Link to my stream can be found here: http://www.twitch.tv/iamdreamface
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Welcome back. I look forward to more blog posts from you. It was a good read.
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Just finished a few games on stream, just testing out the hardware/specs etc, if anyone has some advice or criticism of that side of things feel free to let me know! Having a lot of trouble adding a webcam to my AFMLE but I will try to get it up before I go live again.
My game felt rusty for sure, playing with Zerg at the moment not sure what race I will end up with (was protoss in BW). Mechanically it was better than I expected inject and creep wise, but my knowledge of the meta is not there. Tomorrow is going to be a stream/day9 day.
My apm was around 150-170, far slower than I was in BW but again, better than I was expecting. Game felt smooth and controlled, but I had difficulties managing my bases as well as my army once I got past 3-4 bases.
Goodnight!
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Welcome back! Best of luck quickly getting back into the swing of things!
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Having a lot of trouble adding a webcam to my AFMLE but I will try to get it up before I go live again.
I know it's been a long time, but they make MUCH better stream encoders than that. Check out OBS (Open Broadcaster Software) and the guide on teamliquid. It's completely free and has great quality.
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On September 29 2013 21:06 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:Show nested quote +Having a lot of trouble adding a webcam to my AFMLE but I will try to get it up before I go live again.
I know it's been a long time, but they make MUCH better stream encoders than that. Check out OBS (Open Broadcaster Software) and the guide on teamliquid. It's completely free and has great quality.
Thanks for the advice, and thanks for the warm wishes all!
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If anyone has any information on some good up to date zerg guides/builds that they recommend I'm all ears. Day9 seems to be going over some rather unique builds lately(like scarletts 14/14 zvp opening, looks solid but possibly not the best learning tool).
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On September 29 2013 16:21 dream-_- wrote: I was never anywhere near the skill of a Rekrul
Have you seen him play lately?
also: aka?
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Norway28278 Posts
rofl testie, destroyer of dreams. how many poor young souls has he sent off to the army by now?
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Norway28278 Posts
also I remember ilovepj!
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On September 30 2013 05:40 Liquid`Drone wrote: rofl testie, destroyer of dreams. how many poor young souls has he sent off to the army by now?
Haha yeah, wrist pain like testies was scary for us up and comers. Nice to see the RANDOMINATOR is still around :D
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On September 30 2013 02:52 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 16:21 dream-_- wrote: I was never anywhere near the skill of a Rekrul
Have you seen him play lately? also: aka?
Rekrul still plays? That would be great to see.
I never was that well known, ilovepj on ladder, iR.BabyBlue for WGTour (same team with lzgamer, drewbie, merz, and a few other decent players), then uswest I played on make7-upyours, thats the account I played on mainly but then it was almost entirely with koreans or a few americans.
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On September 29 2013 21:06 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:Show nested quote +Having a lot of trouble adding a webcam to my AFMLE but I will try to get it up before I go live again.
I know it's been a long time, but they make MUCH better stream encoders than that. Check out OBS (Open Broadcaster Software) and the guide on teamliquid. It's completely free and has great quality.
Thanks for the tip man, huge improvement in stream quality, webcam is up, and i just got a good quality mic. It's all coming together!
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I barely remember your ilovepj id. You must think this place has gone cuckoo since your return.
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FuDDx
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On September 30 2013 06:03 dream-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 02:52 ninazerg wrote:On September 29 2013 16:21 dream-_- wrote: I was never anywhere near the skill of a Rekrul
Have you seen him play lately? also: aka? Rekrul still plays? That would be great to see. I never was that well known, ilovepj on ladder, iR.BabyBlue for WGTour (same team with lzgamer, drewbie, merz, and a few other decent players), then uswest I played on make7-upyours, thats the account I played on mainly but then it was almost entirely with koreans or a few americans.
Hm, that's odd, I'd think more people would know about you if you were an American who was B+ on iCCup.
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TLADT24919 Posts
Nice to have you back. I wasn't around TL at the time when you left but even in the past several years, the community has changed greatly and so has the scene. This will help you catch up: Lots of crying in the SCII forums about SCII dying and such. HoTS was an ok change with the widow mine but mech is still not viable(more anti-mech units in HoTS). The Starcraft scene had major changes. MSL became a music station and last two OSLs were won by Jangbi against Fantasy. Proleague switched completely to SCII after a horrible and unspoken mix of the two termed Hybrid league. KeSPA announced LoL Proleague and some speculation that the next SCII Proleague is the last!
Some SCII teams have folded like OGS, TSL and Zenex while others have merged. BW teams that disbanded are STX even though they won the last PL against stars(beat SKT in close games, KT got stomped though(KTFlash)). The remaining members play under SouL in GSTL. There are talks of stars disbanding though its speculation. Team 8 got a sponsor, now called Green Wings. Teams look to be downsizing. Baby is now on KT. SKT got Parting. TL got some new players in Snute and they have herO and Taeja who's been rocking things lately(won last Dreamhack). Jinro and Haypro both retired a while back. Jaedong left team 8 to EG and he keeps getting second place(nicknamed Jaekong ><). Idra was forced to leave EG after a stint with a TL member in his fanclub. Stephano also left EG recently and Thorzain doesn't play much anymore.
Less tournaments in SCII. Still have DH, IEM, Iron Squid but no more MLG, GSL or OSL. It's now all WCS regions (WCS AM, WCS EU and WCS KR) then WCS points into blizzcon(top 16). GSL/OSL named WCS KR with GOM and OGN alternating turns at holding it live. KR SCII scene is still alive but less interest and audience causing downsizing of teams which can explain some players quitting the game. Code S and A are still as competitive as ever with KeSPA players. RorO won last season of WoL GSL against Symbol. Soulkey won season 1 of WCS KR against Innovation, formely known as Bogus who won the season 1 finals against sOs(game 4 recommended on youtube). Mvp, MC and Nestea aren't dominating as much as back when SCII was first released. Rain(formely By.Sun) won first SCII OSL after bursting onto the scene taking out amazing players only to be stopped by mvp in a close 3-2 series. Maru beat Rain in second SCII OSL 4-2 and claimed the victory. Life isn't doing as well anymore(LoL is playing a role). Flash has improved greatly at SCII and keeps making RO16 only to get close to RO8 then lose the last game(he lost last night against Maru/Parting/Kangho). Stork said he won't quit yet, finally made the Code A qualifiers and is up against Yoda.
KeSPA has taken a new stance in that they are the major body for esports and anyone can join them. They can help you promote and if you join, you can make decisions with them. With most things changing to SCII, BW scene is now entirely made up of SOSPA events like SSL/SRT run by Sonic which are featured on snipealot's stream and players streaming on afreeca. Lots of BW players have retired such as Bisu, Jangbi, Best, Jaehoon, s2, mind etc... They stream BW on afreeca: http://multitwitch.tv/snipealot/snipealot1/snipealot2/snipealot3. Snow, leta and horang retired a while back. Snow is studying now for college and Leta is looking at running his family business of selling shoes. Saviour supposedly backmouthed BW on his stream and mostly plays LoL now. Sziky is best foreigner and can take games off Korean pros. He's won the last 2 TLSs and TLS 3 is currently ongoing on the weekend(Saturday and Sunday). Also, new BW server called starserver is in the works. Should have automatic port forwarding, automatic matchmaking etc... This should help you catch up
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On September 30 2013 14:17 BigFan wrote:Nice to have you back. I wasn't around TL at the time when you left but even in the past several years, the community has changed greatly and so has the scene. This will help you catch up: Lots of crying in the SCII forums about SCII dying and such. HoTS was an ok change with the widow mine but mech is still not viable(more anti-mech units in HoTS). The Starcraft scene had major changes. MSL became a music station and last two OSLs were won by Jangbi against Fantasy. Proleague switched completely to SCII after a horrible and unspoken mix of the two termed Hybrid league. KeSPA announced LoL Proleague and some speculation that the next SCII Proleague is the last! Some SCII teams have folded like OGS, TSL and Zenex while others have merged. BW teams that disbanded are STX even though they won the last PL against stars(beat SKT in close games, KT got stomped though(KTFlash)). The remaining members play under SouL in GSTL. There are talks of stars disbanding though its speculation. Team 8 got a sponsor, now called Green Wings. Teams look to be downsizing. Baby is now on KT. SKT got Parting. TL got some new players in Snute and they have herO and Taeja who's been rocking things lately(won last Dreamhack). Jinro and Haypro both retired a while back. Jaedong left team 8 to EG and he keeps getting second place(nicknamed Jaekong ><). Idra was forced to leave EG after a stint with a TL member in his fanclub. Stephano also left EG recently and Thorzain doesn't play much anymore. Less tournaments in SCII. Still have DH, IEM, Iron Squid but no more MLG, GSL or OSL. It's now all WCS regions (WCS AM, WCS EU and WCS KR) then WCS points into blizzcon(top 16). GSL/OSL named WCS KR with GOM and OGN alternating turns at holding it live. KR SCII scene is still alive but less interest and audience causing downsizing of teams which can explain some players quitting the game. Code S and A are still as competitive as ever with KeSPA players. RorO won last season of WoL GSL against Symbol. Soulkey won season 1 of WCS KR against Innovation, formely known as Bogus who won the season 1 finals against sOs(game 4 recommended on youtube). Mvp, MC and Nestea aren't dominating as much as back when SCII was first released. Rain(formely By.Sun) won first SCII OSL after bursting onto the scene taking out amazing players only to be stopped by mvp in a close 3-2 series. Maru beat Rain in second SCII OSL 4-2 and claimed the victory. Life isn't doing as well anymore(LoL is playing a role). Flash has improved greatly at SCII and keeps making RO16 only to get close to RO8 then lose the last game(he lost last night against Maru/Parting/Kangho). Stork said he won't quit yet, finally made the Code A qualifiers and is up against Yoda. KeSPA has taken a new stance in that they are the major body for esports and anyone can join them. They can help you promote and if you join, you can make decisions with them. With most things changing to SCII, BW scene is now entirely made up of SOSPA events like SSL/SRT run by Sonic which are featured on snipealot's stream and players streaming on afreeca. Lots of BW players have retired such as Bisu, Jangbi, Best, Jaehoon, s2, mind etc... They stream BW on afreeca: http://multitwitch.tv/snipealot/snipealot1/snipealot2/snipealot3. Snow, leta and horang retired a while back. Snow is studying now for college and Leta is looking at running his family business of selling shoes. Saviour supposedly backmouthed BW on his stream and mostly plays LoL now. Sziky is best foreigner and can take games off Korean pros. He's won the last 2 TLSs and TLS 3 is currently ongoing on the weekend(Saturday and Sunday). Also, new BW server called starserver is in the works. Should have automatic port forwarding, automatic matchmaking etc... This should help you catch up
Sounds like I should start playing league of legends now instead of SC2 haha.
Whats Idra doing now then?
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On September 30 2013 13:01 StarStruck wrote: I barely remember your ilovepj id. You must think this place has gone cuckoo since your return.
It's exploded really, I love it! I imagine the traffic on TL has gone up quite a lot. A lot of new faces, not so many I know these days. Great to see some of the old school guys are still around like Drone and fuddx!
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TLADT24919 Posts
On September 30 2013 14:59 dream-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 14:17 BigFan wrote:Nice to have you back. I wasn't around TL at the time when you left but even in the past several years, the community has changed greatly and so has the scene. This will help you catch up: Lots of crying in the SCII forums about SCII dying and such. HoTS was an ok change with the widow mine but mech is still not viable(more anti-mech units in HoTS). The Starcraft scene had major changes. MSL became a music station and last two OSLs were won by Jangbi against Fantasy. Proleague switched completely to SCII after a horrible and unspoken mix of the two termed Hybrid league. KeSPA announced LoL Proleague and some speculation that the next SCII Proleague is the last! Some SCII teams have folded like OGS, TSL and Zenex while others have merged. BW teams that disbanded are STX even though they won the last PL against stars(beat SKT in close games, KT got stomped though(KTFlash)). The remaining members play under SouL in GSTL. There are talks of stars disbanding though its speculation. Team 8 got a sponsor, now called Green Wings. Teams look to be downsizing. Baby is now on KT. SKT got Parting. TL got some new players in Snute and they have herO and Taeja who's been rocking things lately(won last Dreamhack). Jinro and Haypro both retired a while back. Jaedong left team 8 to EG and he keeps getting second place(nicknamed Jaekong ><). Idra was forced to leave EG after a stint with a TL member in his fanclub. Stephano also left EG recently and Thorzain doesn't play much anymore. Less tournaments in SCII. Still have DH, IEM, Iron Squid but no more MLG, GSL or OSL. It's now all WCS regions (WCS AM, WCS EU and WCS KR) then WCS points into blizzcon(top 16). GSL/OSL named WCS KR with GOM and OGN alternating turns at holding it live. KR SCII scene is still alive but less interest and audience causing downsizing of teams which can explain some players quitting the game. Code S and A are still as competitive as ever with KeSPA players. RorO won last season of WoL GSL against Symbol. Soulkey won season 1 of WCS KR against Innovation, formely known as Bogus who won the season 1 finals against sOs(game 4 recommended on youtube). Mvp, MC and Nestea aren't dominating as much as back when SCII was first released. Rain(formely By.Sun) won first SCII OSL after bursting onto the scene taking out amazing players only to be stopped by mvp in a close 3-2 series. Maru beat Rain in second SCII OSL 4-2 and claimed the victory. Life isn't doing as well anymore(LoL is playing a role). Flash has improved greatly at SCII and keeps making RO16 only to get close to RO8 then lose the last game(he lost last night against Maru/Parting/Kangho). Stork said he won't quit yet, finally made the Code A qualifiers and is up against Yoda. KeSPA has taken a new stance in that they are the major body for esports and anyone can join them. They can help you promote and if you join, you can make decisions with them. With most things changing to SCII, BW scene is now entirely made up of SOSPA events like SSL/SRT run by Sonic which are featured on snipealot's stream and players streaming on afreeca. Lots of BW players have retired such as Bisu, Jangbi, Best, Jaehoon, s2, mind etc... They stream BW on afreeca: http://multitwitch.tv/snipealot/snipealot1/snipealot2/snipealot3. Snow, leta and horang retired a while back. Snow is studying now for college and Leta is looking at running his family business of selling shoes. Saviour supposedly backmouthed BW on his stream and mostly plays LoL now. Sziky is best foreigner and can take games off Korean pros. He's won the last 2 TLSs and TLS 3 is currently ongoing on the weekend(Saturday and Sunday). Also, new BW server called starserver is in the works. Should have automatic port forwarding, automatic matchmaking etc... This should help you catch up Sounds like I should start playing league of legends now instead of SC2 haha. My advice: play what your heart tells you. You can't do wrong
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On September 30 2013 15:04 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 14:59 dream-_- wrote:On September 30 2013 14:17 BigFan wrote:Nice to have you back. I wasn't around TL at the time when you left but even in the past several years, the community has changed greatly and so has the scene. This will help you catch up: Lots of crying in the SCII forums about SCII dying and such. HoTS was an ok change with the widow mine but mech is still not viable(more anti-mech units in HoTS). The Starcraft scene had major changes. MSL became a music station and last two OSLs were won by Jangbi against Fantasy. Proleague switched completely to SCII after a horrible and unspoken mix of the two termed Hybrid league. KeSPA announced LoL Proleague and some speculation that the next SCII Proleague is the last! Some SCII teams have folded like OGS, TSL and Zenex while others have merged. BW teams that disbanded are STX even though they won the last PL against stars(beat SKT in close games, KT got stomped though(KTFlash)). The remaining members play under SouL in GSTL. There are talks of stars disbanding though its speculation. Team 8 got a sponsor, now called Green Wings. Teams look to be downsizing. Baby is now on KT. SKT got Parting. TL got some new players in Snute and they have herO and Taeja who's been rocking things lately(won last Dreamhack). Jinro and Haypro both retired a while back. Jaedong left team 8 to EG and he keeps getting second place(nicknamed Jaekong ><). Idra was forced to leave EG after a stint with a TL member in his fanclub. Stephano also left EG recently and Thorzain doesn't play much anymore. Less tournaments in SCII. Still have DH, IEM, Iron Squid but no more MLG, GSL or OSL. It's now all WCS regions (WCS AM, WCS EU and WCS KR) then WCS points into blizzcon(top 16). GSL/OSL named WCS KR with GOM and OGN alternating turns at holding it live. KR SCII scene is still alive but less interest and audience causing downsizing of teams which can explain some players quitting the game. Code S and A are still as competitive as ever with KeSPA players. RorO won last season of WoL GSL against Symbol. Soulkey won season 1 of WCS KR against Innovation, formely known as Bogus who won the season 1 finals against sOs(game 4 recommended on youtube). Mvp, MC and Nestea aren't dominating as much as back when SCII was first released. Rain(formely By.Sun) won first SCII OSL after bursting onto the scene taking out amazing players only to be stopped by mvp in a close 3-2 series. Maru beat Rain in second SCII OSL 4-2 and claimed the victory. Life isn't doing as well anymore(LoL is playing a role). Flash has improved greatly at SCII and keeps making RO16 only to get close to RO8 then lose the last game(he lost last night against Maru/Parting/Kangho). Stork said he won't quit yet, finally made the Code A qualifiers and is up against Yoda. KeSPA has taken a new stance in that they are the major body for esports and anyone can join them. They can help you promote and if you join, you can make decisions with them. With most things changing to SCII, BW scene is now entirely made up of SOSPA events like SSL/SRT run by Sonic which are featured on snipealot's stream and players streaming on afreeca. Lots of BW players have retired such as Bisu, Jangbi, Best, Jaehoon, s2, mind etc... They stream BW on afreeca: http://multitwitch.tv/snipealot/snipealot1/snipealot2/snipealot3. Snow, leta and horang retired a while back. Snow is studying now for college and Leta is looking at running his family business of selling shoes. Saviour supposedly backmouthed BW on his stream and mostly plays LoL now. Sziky is best foreigner and can take games off Korean pros. He's won the last 2 TLSs and TLS 3 is currently ongoing on the weekend(Saturday and Sunday). Also, new BW server called starserver is in the works. Should have automatic port forwarding, automatic matchmaking etc... This should help you catch up Sounds like I should start playing league of legends now instead of SC2 haha. My advice: play what your heart tells you. You can't do wrong
Hehe ya its SC2 for me not doubt! Even if it was as dead as WC3 it would still be the game I love.
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On September 30 2013 15:09 dream-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 15:04 BigFan wrote:On September 30 2013 14:59 dream-_- wrote:On September 30 2013 14:17 BigFan wrote:Nice to have you back. I wasn't around TL at the time when you left but even in the past several years, the community has changed greatly and so has the scene. This will help you catch up: Lots of crying in the SCII forums about SCII dying and such. HoTS was an ok change with the widow mine but mech is still not viable(more anti-mech units in HoTS). The Starcraft scene had major changes. MSL became a music station and last two OSLs were won by Jangbi against Fantasy. Proleague switched completely to SCII after a horrible and unspoken mix of the two termed Hybrid league. KeSPA announced LoL Proleague and some speculation that the next SCII Proleague is the last! Some SCII teams have folded like OGS, TSL and Zenex while others have merged. BW teams that disbanded are STX even though they won the last PL against stars(beat SKT in close games, KT got stomped though(KTFlash)). The remaining members play under SouL in GSTL. There are talks of stars disbanding though its speculation. Team 8 got a sponsor, now called Green Wings. Teams look to be downsizing. Baby is now on KT. SKT got Parting. TL got some new players in Snute and they have herO and Taeja who's been rocking things lately(won last Dreamhack). Jinro and Haypro both retired a while back. Jaedong left team 8 to EG and he keeps getting second place(nicknamed Jaekong ><). Idra was forced to leave EG after a stint with a TL member in his fanclub. Stephano also left EG recently and Thorzain doesn't play much anymore. Less tournaments in SCII. Still have DH, IEM, Iron Squid but no more MLG, GSL or OSL. It's now all WCS regions (WCS AM, WCS EU and WCS KR) then WCS points into blizzcon(top 16). GSL/OSL named WCS KR with GOM and OGN alternating turns at holding it live. KR SCII scene is still alive but less interest and audience causing downsizing of teams which can explain some players quitting the game. Code S and A are still as competitive as ever with KeSPA players. RorO won last season of WoL GSL against Symbol. Soulkey won season 1 of WCS KR against Innovation, formely known as Bogus who won the season 1 finals against sOs(game 4 recommended on youtube). Mvp, MC and Nestea aren't dominating as much as back when SCII was first released. Rain(formely By.Sun) won first SCII OSL after bursting onto the scene taking out amazing players only to be stopped by mvp in a close 3-2 series. Maru beat Rain in second SCII OSL 4-2 and claimed the victory. Life isn't doing as well anymore(LoL is playing a role). Flash has improved greatly at SCII and keeps making RO16 only to get close to RO8 then lose the last game(he lost last night against Maru/Parting/Kangho). Stork said he won't quit yet, finally made the Code A qualifiers and is up against Yoda. KeSPA has taken a new stance in that they are the major body for esports and anyone can join them. They can help you promote and if you join, you can make decisions with them. With most things changing to SCII, BW scene is now entirely made up of SOSPA events like SSL/SRT run by Sonic which are featured on snipealot's stream and players streaming on afreeca. Lots of BW players have retired such as Bisu, Jangbi, Best, Jaehoon, s2, mind etc... They stream BW on afreeca: http://multitwitch.tv/snipealot/snipealot1/snipealot2/snipealot3. Snow, leta and horang retired a while back. Snow is studying now for college and Leta is looking at running his family business of selling shoes. Saviour supposedly backmouthed BW on his stream and mostly plays LoL now. Sziky is best foreigner and can take games off Korean pros. He's won the last 2 TLSs and TLS 3 is currently ongoing on the weekend(Saturday and Sunday). Also, new BW server called starserver is in the works. Should have automatic port forwarding, automatic matchmaking etc... This should help you catch up Sounds like I should start playing league of legends now instead of SC2 haha. My advice: play what your heart tells you. You can't do wrong Hehe ya its SC2 for me not doubt! Even if it was as dead as WC3 it would still be the game I love. Not planning to give BW another go or are moving over to SCII for sure? If not BW, hope you still watch TLS and SRT whenever you get the chance ^^
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Does anyone know why Twitch isn't saving my streams under my videos? Having an archive of my games to watch as an improvement tool is one of the biggest reasons I'm streaming!
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On September 30 2013 15:11 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 15:09 dream-_- wrote:On September 30 2013 15:04 BigFan wrote:On September 30 2013 14:59 dream-_- wrote:On September 30 2013 14:17 BigFan wrote:Nice to have you back. I wasn't around TL at the time when you left but even in the past several years, the community has changed greatly and so has the scene. This will help you catch up: Lots of crying in the SCII forums about SCII dying and such. HoTS was an ok change with the widow mine but mech is still not viable(more anti-mech units in HoTS). The Starcraft scene had major changes. MSL became a music station and last two OSLs were won by Jangbi against Fantasy. Proleague switched completely to SCII after a horrible and unspoken mix of the two termed Hybrid league. KeSPA announced LoL Proleague and some speculation that the next SCII Proleague is the last! Some SCII teams have folded like OGS, TSL and Zenex while others have merged. BW teams that disbanded are STX even though they won the last PL against stars(beat SKT in close games, KT got stomped though(KTFlash)). The remaining members play under SouL in GSTL. There are talks of stars disbanding though its speculation. Team 8 got a sponsor, now called Green Wings. Teams look to be downsizing. Baby is now on KT. SKT got Parting. TL got some new players in Snute and they have herO and Taeja who's been rocking things lately(won last Dreamhack). Jinro and Haypro both retired a while back. Jaedong left team 8 to EG and he keeps getting second place(nicknamed Jaekong ><). Idra was forced to leave EG after a stint with a TL member in his fanclub. Stephano also left EG recently and Thorzain doesn't play much anymore. Less tournaments in SCII. Still have DH, IEM, Iron Squid but no more MLG, GSL or OSL. It's now all WCS regions (WCS AM, WCS EU and WCS KR) then WCS points into blizzcon(top 16). GSL/OSL named WCS KR with GOM and OGN alternating turns at holding it live. KR SCII scene is still alive but less interest and audience causing downsizing of teams which can explain some players quitting the game. Code S and A are still as competitive as ever with KeSPA players. RorO won last season of WoL GSL against Symbol. Soulkey won season 1 of WCS KR against Innovation, formely known as Bogus who won the season 1 finals against sOs(game 4 recommended on youtube). Mvp, MC and Nestea aren't dominating as much as back when SCII was first released. Rain(formely By.Sun) won first SCII OSL after bursting onto the scene taking out amazing players only to be stopped by mvp in a close 3-2 series. Maru beat Rain in second SCII OSL 4-2 and claimed the victory. Life isn't doing as well anymore(LoL is playing a role). Flash has improved greatly at SCII and keeps making RO16 only to get close to RO8 then lose the last game(he lost last night against Maru/Parting/Kangho). Stork said he won't quit yet, finally made the Code A qualifiers and is up against Yoda. KeSPA has taken a new stance in that they are the major body for esports and anyone can join them. They can help you promote and if you join, you can make decisions with them. With most things changing to SCII, BW scene is now entirely made up of SOSPA events like SSL/SRT run by Sonic which are featured on snipealot's stream and players streaming on afreeca. Lots of BW players have retired such as Bisu, Jangbi, Best, Jaehoon, s2, mind etc... They stream BW on afreeca: http://multitwitch.tv/snipealot/snipealot1/snipealot2/snipealot3. Snow, leta and horang retired a while back. Snow is studying now for college and Leta is looking at running his family business of selling shoes. Saviour supposedly backmouthed BW on his stream and mostly plays LoL now. Sziky is best foreigner and can take games off Korean pros. He's won the last 2 TLSs and TLS 3 is currently ongoing on the weekend(Saturday and Sunday). Also, new BW server called starserver is in the works. Should have automatic port forwarding, automatic matchmaking etc... This should help you catch up Sounds like I should start playing league of legends now instead of SC2 haha. My advice: play what your heart tells you. You can't do wrong Hehe ya its SC2 for me not doubt! Even if it was as dead as WC3 it would still be the game I love. Not planning to give BW another go or are moving over to SCII for sure? If not BW, hope you still watch TLS and SRT whenever you get the chance ^^
Nah my BW days are over, if I can't focus on it hardcore it isn't really that entertaining for me, and I would rather put all my energy into SC2! Might play a bit of iccup sometime for fun though :D
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On September 30 2013 15:12 dream-_- wrote: Does anyone know why Twitch isn't saving my streams under my videos? Having an archive of my games to watch as an improvement tool is one of the biggest reasons I'm streaming! I've never tried streaming so I'm not sure but there must be a setting or a checkbox under settings for save videos or something. Just a guess though lol
On September 30 2013 15:17 dream-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 15:11 BigFan wrote:On September 30 2013 15:09 dream-_- wrote:On September 30 2013 15:04 BigFan wrote:On September 30 2013 14:59 dream-_- wrote:On September 30 2013 14:17 BigFan wrote:Nice to have you back. I wasn't around TL at the time when you left but even in the past several years, the community has changed greatly and so has the scene. This will help you catch up: Lots of crying in the SCII forums about SCII dying and such. HoTS was an ok change with the widow mine but mech is still not viable(more anti-mech units in HoTS). The Starcraft scene had major changes. MSL became a music station and last two OSLs were won by Jangbi against Fantasy. Proleague switched completely to SCII after a horrible and unspoken mix of the two termed Hybrid league. KeSPA announced LoL Proleague and some speculation that the next SCII Proleague is the last! Some SCII teams have folded like OGS, TSL and Zenex while others have merged. BW teams that disbanded are STX even though they won the last PL against stars(beat SKT in close games, KT got stomped though(KTFlash)). The remaining members play under SouL in GSTL. There are talks of stars disbanding though its speculation. Team 8 got a sponsor, now called Green Wings. Teams look to be downsizing. Baby is now on KT. SKT got Parting. TL got some new players in Snute and they have herO and Taeja who's been rocking things lately(won last Dreamhack). Jinro and Haypro both retired a while back. Jaedong left team 8 to EG and he keeps getting second place(nicknamed Jaekong ><). Idra was forced to leave EG after a stint with a TL member in his fanclub. Stephano also left EG recently and Thorzain doesn't play much anymore. Less tournaments in SCII. Still have DH, IEM, Iron Squid but no more MLG, GSL or OSL. It's now all WCS regions (WCS AM, WCS EU and WCS KR) then WCS points into blizzcon(top 16). GSL/OSL named WCS KR with GOM and OGN alternating turns at holding it live. KR SCII scene is still alive but less interest and audience causing downsizing of teams which can explain some players quitting the game. Code S and A are still as competitive as ever with KeSPA players. RorO won last season of WoL GSL against Symbol. Soulkey won season 1 of WCS KR against Innovation, formely known as Bogus who won the season 1 finals against sOs(game 4 recommended on youtube). Mvp, MC and Nestea aren't dominating as much as back when SCII was first released. Rain(formely By.Sun) won first SCII OSL after bursting onto the scene taking out amazing players only to be stopped by mvp in a close 3-2 series. Maru beat Rain in second SCII OSL 4-2 and claimed the victory. Life isn't doing as well anymore(LoL is playing a role). Flash has improved greatly at SCII and keeps making RO16 only to get close to RO8 then lose the last game(he lost last night against Maru/Parting/Kangho). Stork said he won't quit yet, finally made the Code A qualifiers and is up against Yoda. KeSPA has taken a new stance in that they are the major body for esports and anyone can join them. They can help you promote and if you join, you can make decisions with them. With most things changing to SCII, BW scene is now entirely made up of SOSPA events like SSL/SRT run by Sonic which are featured on snipealot's stream and players streaming on afreeca. Lots of BW players have retired such as Bisu, Jangbi, Best, Jaehoon, s2, mind etc... They stream BW on afreeca: http://multitwitch.tv/snipealot/snipealot1/snipealot2/snipealot3. Snow, leta and horang retired a while back. Snow is studying now for college and Leta is looking at running his family business of selling shoes. Saviour supposedly backmouthed BW on his stream and mostly plays LoL now. Sziky is best foreigner and can take games off Korean pros. He's won the last 2 TLSs and TLS 3 is currently ongoing on the weekend(Saturday and Sunday). Also, new BW server called starserver is in the works. Should have automatic port forwarding, automatic matchmaking etc... This should help you catch up Sounds like I should start playing league of legends now instead of SC2 haha. My advice: play what your heart tells you. You can't do wrong Hehe ya its SC2 for me not doubt! Even if it was as dead as WC3 it would still be the game I love. Not planning to give BW another go or are moving over to SCII for sure? If not BW, hope you still watch TLS and SRT whenever you get the chance ^^ Nah my BW days are over, if I can't focus on it hardcore it isn't really that entertaining for me, and I would rather put all my energy into SC2! Might play a bit of iccup sometime for fun though :D ok fair enough. You know where the community is if you ever change your mind lol.
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Really great post! I loved hearing your story and I can't wait to see your future in SC2. I didnt know of you before but im happy to have someone like you back in the community
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