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Where is DMB, Vivax? We need DMB's madness in this game!
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On February 25 2024 03:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Where is DMB, Vivax? We need DMB's madness in this game! With our current shitty living conditions we can’t cause we have to share a room at all times. Can’t find a proper place to rent. And I own property I can’t use because of moronic institutions. That's shitty. I am sorry for you guys.
Cake would like to play, it would be nice to have two insane mafia ladies in the game.
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On February 27 2024 11:24 DarthPunk wrote: It was fun 6 of us in that game, we should crash another site as a group again :D Just pick a site where youre allowed to lynch people in a mafia game lol
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Do we have to expect a game start this week? On a holiday so asking if its possible the game starts before sunday eve?
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So as mafia if you shoot the mayor, nothing happens instead of random BG dying?
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We definitely need blazinghand in this game, just to be executed by the mayor.
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On March 03 2024 12:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2024 11:37 JacobStrangelove wrote: Before game start next weekend aus time I'm flying to sydney competing and flying back so will have irl reasons to be less active that time. (mostly on the sunday) Still will be around, airports are boring. Jakes a fencing champion. How fancy. Makes sense, he's the master being on the fence.. now we cant even blame him.. 😂
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Goodluck everyone!! Have fun ❤️
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On March 04 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:37 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote: @grack how do we differentiate lynch and mayor votes 1. You forgot to greenfont 2. I don‘t like this post Don't you feel like oats was way more together in the game on MS. Like he was the one nit picking small details. Oats is smart and the acting dense shtick seems fake to me. You gotta be kidding me?
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iamp town Vivax prolly town
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Let's take back that Vivax read. Town read on DP at this point is absolutely rubbish.
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On March 04 2024 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 14:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's take back that Vivax read. Town read on DP at this point is absolutely rubbish. I am never getting town read again after last game am I? Your alignment is not that hard to figure out, it just takes a couple of game days.
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On March 04 2024 15:02 DarthPunk wrote: Is Rayn coming back? Probably not for 7 hrs. I am just following along at work. I mean i actually HAVE to work when i am at work..
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On March 04 2024 15:16 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 15:08 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 14:44 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote: MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. Liked trfel and now considering voting trfel for mayor Why? Because he seemed to have a level head. Want Rayn now, if he will run. Why? At the moment i am lynching you if i am mayor.
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Actually maybe it's a reasonable read from you..
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On March 04 2024 16:34 DarthPunk wrote:Why? I'd rather hear first from TTS why he (she?) thinks Trfel is mafia.
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On March 04 2024 16:38 DarthPunk wrote:
I called him mafia all game incorrectly last game and I want to call him mafia again.
Yeah i have no idea why anyone thought he was mafia last game like 5 hrs into the game lol :D
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On March 04 2024 16:37 DarthPunk wrote: Are you just going to snipe at me from the sidelines this game?
No i just think you have some unreasonable reads. Namely Cake and Slam.
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It's very easy to follow Cake's thought process on your "problem" with her. If she is mafia, your reasoning is definitely not why she is mafia. It's not her problem if you didn't understand she called Trfel and DMB town, hell i can even easily follow her reasoning. Just because she is being abrasive towards you (or you think so) doesn't make her mafia.
Slam has actually posted some scummy shit which i will come back to later. Also his town meta imo contradicts heavily his MO this game, yet you are somehow unwilling to make any conclusion about his alignment so far.
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Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good?
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I am home in ~4,5hrs. Then i have more time (to write).
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On March 04 2024 18:40 marvellosity wrote: Just curious how people here (Vivax? Maybe others?) would characterise DP’s scumplay on ms compared to his recent towngames here? Pretty similar to his townplay. It's probably easier to catch him on TL since it's harder to build cases that look legit as mafia here. I mean like pretty much almost everything looked scummy there lol.. He made some small errors that a player of his caliber shouldn't make, unfortunately they hammered obv town Oats D2 when i was asleep and then i died.
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I dont think Cake is town? I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia.
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On March 04 2024 21:09 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think Cake is town? I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia. Well you said my scum read on her was unreasonable so that kind of implied you thought she was town right? No that doesn't mean that. It was more about my read on you rather than Cake's alignment.
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On March 04 2024 21:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:09 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think Cake is town? I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia. Well you said my scum read on her was unreasonable so that kind of implied you thought she was town right? No that doesn't mean that. It was more about my read on you rather than Cake's alignment. What did it mean about that? Im gonna answer this and then continue in the same post with other things.
If your read looks unreasonable to me, it might indicate you're mafia. Cake's alignment doesnt matter here at all since its not out of question you would make a shitty scumread even on your partner, just to back off from it later on. Its just that if you make a shitty read, that implicates you being mafia, regardless of the other person's alignment.
I take back my town read on Trfel, i thought i saw something there when i was reading the thread at work but re-reading now that something didn't actually exist. Trfel could very well be mafia.
I am still considering Slam mafia, and it's not a meta read. Sure at first it started as a meta read when he looked more serious and laid back than usual. That can be explained with his rl-situation. However, there should be simply no way he is considering me as his best vote for mayor at the moment. 1) I have openly stated he is my only scumread in the game at that point 2) DP makes points about Cake, Slam calls all of them good points. I disagree with 2/3 of those points, Slam STILL goes like "oh rayn makes very good point" -- both of those things can't be in his head, either DP's points are good or they are not in his opinion, yet he's saying they both are and they aren't. Furhtermore i don't in any case understand why he is making a list of who he is preferring as mayor in which order. He said before game he would want Hapa for mayor, why doesn't he even wait for Hapa to post while starting to campign "rayn for mayor" when it doesn't even make any sense for him to do so if he is town?
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Trfel looks too clean, it worries me.
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On March 04 2024 22:34 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:09 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think Cake is town? I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia. Well you said my scum read on her was unreasonable so that kind of implied you thought she was town right? No that doesn't mean that. It was more about my read on you rather than Cake's alignment. What did it mean about that? Im gonna answer this and then continue in the same post with other things. If your read looks unreasonable to me, it might indicate you're mafia. Cake's alignment doesnt matter here at all since its not out of question you would make a shitty scumread even on your partner, just to back off from it later on. Its just that if you make a shitty read, that implicates you being mafia, regardless of the other person's alignment. I take back my town read on Trfel, i thought i saw something there when i was reading the thread at work but re-reading now that something didn't actually exist. Trfel could very well be mafia. I am still considering Slam mafia, and it's not a meta read. Sure at first it started as a meta read when he looked more serious and laid back than usual. That can be explained with his rl-situation. However, there should be simply no way he is considering me as his best vote for mayor at the moment. 1) I have openly stated he is my only scumread in the game at that point 2) DP makes points about Cake, Slam calls all of them good points. I disagree with 2/3 of those points, Slam STILL goes like "oh rayn makes very good point" -- both of those things can't be in his head, either DP's points are good or they are not in his opinion, yet he's saying they both are and they aren't. Furhtermore i don't in any case understand why he is making a list of who he is preferring as mayor in which order. He said before game he would want Hapa for mayor, why doesn't he even wait for Hapa to post while starting to campign "rayn for mayor" when it doesn't even make any sense for him to do so if he is town? Yes they can. I can like the same things you did specifically point out, and like that you don't agree with 100%. Cause that is where I was at. DP literally said "these things make Cake mafia", and i said "these things don't make Cake mafia". You can't agree with both.
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I can also accuse you of lack of paranoia. It's the only thing that bothers me in your play but it's actually quite a big thing.
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On March 04 2024 23:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:09 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think Cake is town? I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia. Well you said my scum read on her was unreasonable so that kind of implied you thought she was town right? No that doesn't mean that. It was more about my read on you rather than Cake's alignment. What did it mean about that? Im gonna answer this and then continue in the same post with other things. If your read looks unreasonable to me, it might indicate you're mafia. Cake's alignment doesnt matter here at all since its not out of question you would make a shitty scumread even on your partner, just to back off from it later on. Its just that if you make a shitty read, that implicates you being mafia, regardless of the other person's alignment. I take back my town read on Trfel, i thought i saw something there when i was reading the thread at work but re-reading now that something didn't actually exist. Trfel could very well be mafia. I am still considering Slam mafia, and it's not a meta read. Sure at first it started as a meta read when he looked more serious and laid back than usual. That can be explained with his rl-situation. However, there should be simply no way he is considering me as his best vote for mayor at the moment. 1) I have openly stated he is my only scumread in the game at that point 2) DP makes points about Cake, Slam calls all of them good points. I disagree with 2/3 of those points, Slam STILL goes like "oh rayn makes very good point" -- both of those things can't be in his head, either DP's points are good or they are not in his opinion, yet he's saying they both are and they aren't. Furhtermore i don't in any case understand why he is making a list of who he is preferring as mayor in which order. He said before game he would want Hapa for mayor, why doesn't he even wait for Hapa to post while starting to campign "rayn for mayor" when it doesn't even make any sense for him to do so if he is town? For the uninitiated, why can’t Slam do this as town? I don't think he can't per se. I just think he wouldn't. Like let's be honest Slam is voting either Hapa, marv or rayn for mayor (unless he has to pick someone else), mostly Hapa.
I can't possibly understand why he makes posts like: "Liked trfel and now considering voting trfel for mayor" or "Second pick is VE, he has some decent logic on why he would lurker lynch."
Is he ever going to actually vote for either of those people for mayor? Especially VE for THAT reasoning? I just don't see the point of putting it like that. It's kind of a townread but still not really.
And i can't possibly understand why he wants me for mayor, why would you EVER want anyone for mayor who wants to lynch you??? Just because i agreed with 2 of his reads like 3 hours into the game?
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Well Vivax' reads list is mostly fine for me so maybe i am just dumb for thinking about the paranoia shit.
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I don't understand the case Vivax, can you sum it up?
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I mean your sandroba suspicion.
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On March 05 2024 00:12 iamperfection wrote: I have been thinking about the whisperer. There is no reason not to claim it immediately if your town no? I think so right? As in I am the whisperer and I whispered so and so. What does it benefit if you claim it?
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On March 05 2024 00:26 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 00:12 iamperfection wrote: I have been thinking about the whisperer. There is no reason not to claim it immediately if your town no? I think so right? As in I am the whisperer and I whispered so and so. What does it benefit if you claim it? Wouldnt you think town is more likely to use it? Probably yes. I said last game i wouldnt ever use it as mafia so its basically a null point now when people know it gives you "town credit".
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sandroba since you are here what do you think about iamps whisperer thingy?
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On March 05 2024 00:32 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 00:26 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 00:12 iamperfection wrote: I have been thinking about the whisperer. There is no reason not to claim it immediately if your town no? I think so right? As in I am the whisperer and I whispered so and so. What does it benefit if you claim it? Wouldnt you think town is more likely to use it? Probably yes. I said last game i wouldnt ever use it as mafia so its basically a null point now when people know it gives you "town credit". Not really null you would have to actually use it if your mafia to get the credit. which seems crazy to do imo. Then follow through and preform in the said discord as mafia. I dont really see much use for it in any case unless you really really believe the other person is town. I mean why would you post reads there and not in thread?
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Well.
I masoned marv.
There is not much in our chat, we've been brainstorming a little bit. Basically we both think sandroba is town and Vivax' push on him is not scummy, just wrong. That's pretty much all.
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On March 05 2024 00:44 iamperfection wrote:Seems like an insane to do imo if you were mafia so I'm gonna say you are likely town. Both mafia for the plays would be pretty cool though but I will dismiss that. he said the same thing :D
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I think it's a good idea. I have morning shift this week so i can be around ~1h before deadline -> deadline as well.
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Well i did and now it's a gone point.
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On March 05 2024 00:57 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 00:52 sandroba wrote: I currently think rayn is town and he would be a good choice for mayor as well. However, rayn is much better scum than me. Also marv which I lean null atm has masoned me and wants to to get behind rayn. Which there is a fair town motivation to do, but also gives rise to some conspiracies in my head. Thus I think I'm the better, safer choice. That's funny Yeah it was when i heard it ^^
There is only 2.
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On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote: I am gonna battle rayn.
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If it helps anyone to read marv better, i am fairly certain i masoned him before he masoned sandroba. I put alarm at the game start, read my role PM, saw i have whisperer PM and immediately masoned marv.
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Sorry Slam i actually thought about it when you started talking about Chezinu. My bad.
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On March 05 2024 01:26 iamperfection wrote: I'm also pretty null on dp right now too I think his point on Cake, where Cake is accusing DP of being too quiet when 50% of posts in the game are DP's, is valid.
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On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference.
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On March 05 2024 01:41 CopCake wrote: I love how MZ talks about me and doesnt even bother to talk to me directly. He was catching up, there is nothing wrong with how he posted while catching up
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On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Oh Trfel and marv also said iamp looks townish, i doubt mafia marv makes that read about mafia iamp, so it's a legit read from town marv or 100% correct read from mafia marv.
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sandroba what marv is telling you is true.
lol this is funny
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On March 05 2024 01:52 sandroba wrote: @rayn I'm chatting a bit with marv and I'm curious about how you came to town read him. We've chatted a bit post game and I remember you being skeptical of reads being made through private chats. he gave pretty much the same "reads list" at some point in our chat that i had at the time. before i said anything about my reads.
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On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote: I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^
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On March 05 2024 01:57 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:52 sandroba wrote: @rayn I'm chatting a bit with marv and I'm curious about how you came to town read him. We've chatted a bit post game and I remember you being skeptical of reads being made through private chats. he gave pretty much the same "reads list" at some point in our chat that i had at the time. before i said anything about my reads. Based on what you told me before I'm having difficulty accepting you built trust with marv only based on that being shared privately. I am unsure of why it should look worse for him to tell those reads to me privately rather than posting them in thread? Because i find it the opposite.
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On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote: I lost track, what do you think about CopCake?
Not sure. I think DP's point #3 in his case is valid. I don't know if Cake's defense on that is townie or not.
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sandroba do you think mafia marv would mason you, or anyone?
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On March 05 2024 02:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 00:32 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 00:26 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 00:12 iamperfection wrote: I have been thinking about the whisperer. There is no reason not to claim it immediately if your town no? I think so right? As in I am the whisperer and I whispered so and so. What does it benefit if you claim it? Wouldnt you think town is more likely to use it? Probably yes. I said last game i wouldnt ever use it as mafia so its basically a null point now when people know it gives you "town credit". Not really null you would have to actually use it if your mafia to get the credit. which seems crazy to do imo. Then follow through and preform in the said discord as mafia. I dont really see much use for it in any case unless you really really believe the other person is town. I mean why would you post reads there and not in thread? Giggles I know, right
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On March 05 2024 02:01 CopCake wrote: Uh, so both of you masoned marv? I masoned marv, marv masoned sandroba.
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On March 05 2024 02:06 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote: I lost track, what do you think about CopCake?
Not sure. I think DP's point #3 in his case is valid. I don't know if Cake's defense on that is townie or not. Sorry, what point is point 3? There were two posts with numbered points and I am not sure which you are referring to.
On March 05 2024 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:26 iamperfection wrote: I'm also pretty null on dp right now too I think his point on Cake, where Cake is accusing DP of being too quiet when 50% of posts in the game are DP's, is valid.
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On March 05 2024 02:07 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: sandroba do you think mafia marv would mason you, or anyone? possibly, if he had some agenda Is he pushing some agenda? Aside from what i told him to push towards you?
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On March 05 2024 02:14 iamperfection wrote: Vivax I cant
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##UnMayor: raynpelikoneet ##Mayor: Vivax for now.
Vivax, you need to listen, and not be unpredictable. Okay?
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On March 05 2024 02:23 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##UnMayor: raynpelikoneet ##Mayor: Vivax for now.
Vivax, you need to listen, and not be unpredictable. Okay? Mayor JK is better than mayor capable player? Or cop? Fair point. Are you willing to listen to rayn and marv?
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##UnMayor: Vivax ##Mayor: raynpelikoneet
Actually this is probably still better!!!
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On March 05 2024 02:31 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:29 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##UnMayor: raynpelikoneet ##Mayor: Vivax for now.
Vivax, you need to listen, and not be unpredictable. Okay? Promise. But is your role more useful, or mine? I mean, either of us probably just gets RB every night no? After N1 So either way, mayor for either of us is kinda kaput. We should mayor Rayn Marv or Hapa as someone with good words put in my mouth earlier 😅 yeah at least one of you gets to act anyways most likely.
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Oatsmaster - probs town DarthPunk - townish Vivax - town sandroba - town Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game marvellosity - town Jealous - not posted Meapak_Ziphh - townish Palmar - not posted justanothertownie - not posted die_meatbaby - town CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps? JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him Hapahauli - not posted Iamperfection - town Koshi - meh, useless ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish VisceraEyes - scummy, useless Rels - useless Alakaslam - town
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On March 05 2024 02:53 CopCake wrote: Call me town or call me mafia, not "null".
Also, I just re read Tfrel´s last game because I felt this time it was missing "I am sorry´s" but he did say so in this game also. So, no. Tfrel is town. A very capable, smart, player that should not be downplayed.
What is odd about him?
He "feels" different? Because comparing both games it is pretty much the same. He isnt doing the Trfel thing
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On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote: I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. It's self resolving, so there is no reason to think he is mafia.
On March 05 2024 02:57 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 02:53 CopCake wrote: Call me town or call me mafia, not "null".
Also, I just re read Tfrel´s last game because I felt this time it was missing "I am sorry´s" but he did say so in this game also. So, no. Tfrel is town. A very capable, smart, player that should not be downplayed.
What is odd about him?
He "feels" different? Because comparing both games it is pretty much the same. He isnt doing the Trfel thing what is the trfel thing? Actually i also read the last game of Trfel's, and you are right. It's more likely he is town here also. Later on I liked him going against the grain in his iamp read. He just feels very confused about DP's case, while i dont think there is much confusion there...
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On March 05 2024 03:03 Vivax wrote: If you threaten the mafia to make me mayor you might even provoke a counterclaim. Bad strategic thinking from rayn voters. no way mafia cc's for mayor...
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On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote: I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Would you vote for that if you played in mafiascum?
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This game is the best. iamperfection is super funny, i have laughed many times at his truths
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On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote: I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh My reaction to what specifically?
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yeah i got lead astray by myself for a moment, sorry
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On March 05 2024 03:33 Vivax wrote: iamp and rayn drop from the town tier holding hands see this is why i dont trust you making good decisions really
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On March 05 2024 02:14 iamperfection wrote: Vivax I cant
On March 05 2024 02:15 iamperfection wrote: Blazinghand level play if town vivax there I said it.
On March 05 2024 02:27 iamperfection wrote: Why in the world would we make that moron mayor I was laughing about this though, earlier
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On March 05 2024 03:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote: I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh My reaction to what specifically? To the claim. You knew that there's only one correct play but you still go for the bad one, unless you are scum that is. That's not the "only correct play". Who cares if mafia ties a roleblock on you? Our blues are most likely there in the fucking open already because both of you decided to be dumbasses.
And your current state of reads, specifically on me and iamp, is telling me you dont need BG's to protect you, and your role is useless as you made it useless, so what gives?
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On March 05 2024 03:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:33 Vivax wrote: iamp and rayn drop from the town tier holding hands see this is why i dont trust you making good decisions really Do you speak for iamperfection now? Tell me how he's doing anything that looks like finding mafia or pushing town to the correct decisions. mayoring me, os someone else with level head is actually the absolute correct decison.
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On March 05 2024 03:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote: I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh My reaction to what specifically? To the claim. You knew that there's only one correct play but you still go for the bad one, unless you are scum that is. That's not the "only correct play". Who cares if mafia ties a roleblock on you? Our blues are most likely there in the fucking open already because both of you decided to be dumbasses. And your current state of reads, specifically on me and iamp, is telling me you dont need BG's to protect you, and your role is useless as you made it useless, so what gives? You'd call an innocent child claim useless by your logic, so you have none No, i'd call a useless innocent child screaming for medic useless.
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On March 05 2024 03:49 Vivax wrote: If you vote for uncertainty over certainty you're a dumbass. Period How am i voting for uncertainty exactly?
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Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable.
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On March 05 2024 03:57 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:56 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:55 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 03:51 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:49 Vivax wrote: If you vote for uncertainty over certainty you're a dumbass. Period How am i voting for uncertainty exactly? Voting yourself is the correct play 100% of the time. It's the others on you that I question the decision making of. You think scum rayn masoned marv of his own free will? It's not worth considering imo. Do you think he'd get away with it if he masoned players who are considered low tier? Can you even finish a thought. He could mason mid tier no problem He could also just shut up about the mason and not send any PM to Grack.
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On March 05 2024 04:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:27 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote: I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Would you vote for that if you played in mafiascum? I don't understand the question how would it change anything? rayn? Because he is from mafiascum.
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On March 05 2024 04:09 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable. Outside of hypothetical, what % of chance do you think there is that Vivax is scum there? 0,02%
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On March 05 2024 04:08 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 02:06 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote: I lost track, what do you think about CopCake?
Not sure. I think DP's point #3 in his case is valid. I don't know if Cake's defense on that is townie or not. Sorry, what point is point 3? There were two posts with numbered points and I am not sure which you are referring to. On March 05 2024 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:26 iamperfection wrote: I'm also pretty null on dp right now too I think his point on Cake, where Cake is accusing DP of being too quiet when 50% of posts in the game are DP's, is valid. CopCake, do you have any response to this? She did respond already
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On March 05 2024 04:12 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:08 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. Nah, if you are against Tfrel you have to cross over me. No one touches him. Ok, tell me who I should look into then and I'll tell you if I agree. mz ve, maybe a no posting person like palmar or hapa how can you look into a person who has posted nothing?
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On March 05 2024 04:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:27 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote: I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Would you vote for that if you played in mafiascum? I don't understand the question how would it change anything? rayn? Because he is from mafiascum. Yeah I got that, I guess my implied questions were, like, is it a normal post to make in mafiascum or something? Is what I said wrong because of this piece of information? I don't know. I know that they do RVS. He knows we don't do RVS here. There is not "so much words" in my opinion in his read. His read and justification for vote is:
"I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better."
I don't consider that "wow so much words", and it lines up pretty well with how people on MS play.
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On March 05 2024 04:16 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:12 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. Nah, if you are against Tfrel you have to cross over me. No one touches him. Ok, tell me who I should look into then and I'll tell you if I agree. mz ve, maybe a no posting person like palmar or hapa how can you look into a person who has posted nothing? there are things like "this guy when he gets mafia just peace out" and stuff like that. I remember someone from here doing that. Nobody can just completely peace out, because you get modkilled if you don't post -- or vote -- at all during the day.
The longer people wait to post, the harder it gets for mafia to post, that is regardless of how good the player is as mafia.
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On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote: I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. I’m inclined to agree I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor. Press x for doubt He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town?
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On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote: I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. I’m inclined to agree I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor. Press x for doubt He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process.
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On March 05 2024 04:25 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote: I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. I’m inclined to agree I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor. Press x for doubt He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? We are never 100 % sure of the aligment from somebody especially when it's this early in the game, but we are 100 % sure about the aligment from ourselfs. He is parnoid enough that he rather would claim blue and make sure there is no mafia major (as we have in our city) then trust anybody else. I would understand that one. So are you saying if anyone who is a blue role is not getting elected, should claim just to get elected?
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On March 05 2024 04:32 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote: [quote] I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor.
Press x for doubt He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. because you don´t seem so townisch to me what i seem to you makes no difference since it's vivax we are talking about here.
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On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote: [quote] I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor.
Press x for doubt He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you....
I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2).
So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough
Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)?
The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv.
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On March 05 2024 04:52 iamperfection wrote: Vivax what is this your just making everyone go in circles. Just stop. Talk about something else. Vote ve I am all in voting for VE tbh.
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On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote: [quote] Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that.
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If there is anything i learned from the MS game, it's that lynch people who post bullshit. DMB is mafia.
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On March 05 2024 05:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote: [quote] Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax?
This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor.
If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor.
Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. She's saying you are too experienced and dangerous as scum to trust you with that on a D1. that would be another bullshit statement.
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On March 05 2024 05:02 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:00 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. She's saying you are too experienced and dangerous as scum to trust you with that on a D1. that would be another bullshit statement. I don't think so. I only caught you last time because of what I read into copcakes posts. we will see, maybe youre just bad at reading your gf.
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On March 05 2024 05:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:42 Rels wrote: BTW I also think Vivax' claim was kind of stupid, but now that it's done, he 100% should be the mayor I agree with this. what?
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On March 05 2024 05:03 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: If there is anything i learned from the MS game, it's that lynch people who post bullshit. DMB is mafia. probably not rayn. People go by memory and feeling, I don't think her sentiment is fake there. I can understand the sentiment.
I can't understand that she somehow thinks "Vivax would claim because his townread is getting mayored (but it's not really still his town meta)". I mean, can you read the whole string of posts she made and tell me if i am just reading something wrong because that shit doesn't make any sense at all.
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On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote: Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum A vote for VE is a vote for active town. Emphasis on word active.
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On March 05 2024 05:07 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote: [quote] Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. I have a 90% winrate in endgames bro. Then run for mayor.
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On March 05 2024 05:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:09 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote: Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum Why are you fighting this so much? Do you have a better vote? 1. You call it fighting, I don't, it's called discussing. I don't have a townread on VE. I want to understand what he did that is considered scummy because I don't see it 2. And yeah, mine. I think ToTheStars has the highest chance of flipping scum if the deadline was right now
On March 05 2024 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote: Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum A vote for VE is a vote for active town. Emphasis on word active.
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On March 05 2024 05:13 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:07 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote: [quote] Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax?
This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor.
If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor.
Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. I have a 90% winrate in endgames bro. Then run for mayor. I can tell by the current thread sentiment that it’s not very likely I’ll succeed. Why? Who is scumreading you?
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On March 05 2024 05:13 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:03 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: If there is anything i learned from the MS game, it's that lynch people who post bullshit. DMB is mafia. probably not rayn. People go by memory and feeling, I don't think her sentiment is fake there. I can understand the sentiment. I can't understand that she somehow thinks "Vivax would claim because his townread is getting mayored (but it's not really still his town meta)". I mean, can you read the whole string of posts she made and tell me if i am just reading something wrong because that shit doesn't make any sense at all. I might be over-charitable, but I think prob she has a gut feeling vivax would always be town in that situation and did post hoc rationalization. I also think other posts she make she is commenting on relevant stuff which is different from her self centric posts she made last game Okay, i am gonna trust you here at least for now. I don't honestly remember how she posted as mafia since i was mafia with her.
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On March 05 2024 05:15 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:11 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 05:09 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote: [quote] What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum Why are you fighting this so much? Do you have a better vote? 1. You call it fighting, I don't, it's called discussing. I don't have a townread on VE. I want to understand what he did that is considered scummy because I don't see it 2. And yeah, mine. I think ToTheStars has the highest chance of flipping scum if the deadline was right now On March 05 2024 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote: Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum A vote for VE is a vote for active town. Emphasis on word active. I don't get it, please lay it out clearly. "Everyone should vote for VE so that he's pressured to actively play so that we can understand his alignement", is that what you're saying? VE ran his mayor campaign on the basis of "A vote for VE is a vote for active town", yet he has done jack shit or is even pretending on doing jack shit.
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On March 05 2024 05:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 05:07 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote: [quote] Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax?
This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor.
If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor.
Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. I have a 90% winrate in endgames bro. As town? Do you get to endgame as town often enough to be statistically significant? I don't disagree though. You're worth keeping around. Yes as town. And yes I tend to survive, cause for whatever reason mafia tend to think iI’m a good mislynch candidate. I have a lot better record as town than as mafia. Even though apparently everyone is afraid of my scum play. *ahem*
pretty sure you are 11/12 as mafia on TL.
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and the only game you lost is when i was mafia with you and OO and we bussed each other really really hard and OO fucked up using the town credit of both other mafia voting for him D1 lol.
It was hilarious.
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On March 05 2024 05:20 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:16 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 05:07 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. I have a 90% winrate in endgames bro. As town? Do you get to endgame as town often enough to be statistically significant? I don't disagree though. You're worth keeping around. Yes as town. And yes I tend to survive, cause for whatever reason mafia tend to think iI’m a good mislynch candidate. I have a lot better record as town than as mafia. Even though apparently everyone is afraid of my scum play. *ahem* pretty sure you are 11/12 as mafia on TL. I’m 6 of 10 Oh.. Where did i get that lol...
On March 05 2024 05:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:and the only game you lost is when i was mafia with you and OO and we bussed each other really really hard and OO fucked up using the town credit of both other mafia voting for him D1 lol. It was hilarious. Hilarious is not how I would put it. There was no reason for me to die day one that game, and I was on an 11 game win streak too. It was perfect play if OO just knew how to capitalize, there was no reason he should have been lynched in LYLO.
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Also that game included coag shooting me N1 because "i think rayn is town he is just so annoying" lol ^_^
But i am happy i broke your win streak
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On March 05 2024 05:26 justanothertownie wrote: Yo, whats up? Been trying to catch up since I left work but the distance to the new posts doesn't seem to decrease at all... Its good, just vote me for mayor and VE for lynch, we're all set.
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On March 05 2024 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
The only one I’m really afraid of being mafia in that lot is Rayn
Which would be, why?
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On March 05 2024 05:30 DarthPunk wrote: I have high expectations from JAT after he talked such a big game in the obs last time. He's doing fine so far.
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koshi goes to town pile for that post on trfel.
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On March 05 2024 05:39 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:30 DarthPunk wrote: I have high expectations from JAT after he talked such a big game in the obs last time. He's doing fine so far. What specifically do you think he is doing well with? What is that question really, he has one post that is game related...
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On March 05 2024 05:41 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:35 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. I can add a third, I thought those Trfel posts were bad too. If I remember right, it was his first posts too, it looked like scum hiding between technicality/setup discussion to participate. I liked his posts going forward though, I think he's town now This is good I remember Tfrel apologizing a lot and saying "I am sorry" many times when he is town. I was trying to look for a scum game of him here but I couldnt, would be helpful if someone can link me. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database#2
find Trfel there.
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On March 05 2024 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
The only one I’m really afraid of being mafia in that lot is Rayn
Which would be, why? If you need me to still explain it’s that I think you are the strongest mafia player in that three by some margin. by some margin? :O
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On March 05 2024 05:44 Vivax wrote: Rayn downplaying his mafia abilities is one fat red flag how have i done that? unless you mean comparison between me/marv/sandroba that i didnt understand
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On March 05 2024 05:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:30 DarthPunk wrote: I have high expectations from JAT after he talked such a big game in the obs last time. He's doing fine so far. What specifically do you think he is doing well with? What is that question really, he has one post that is game related... Yes I know. Which is why I am asking. It is an observation i also made, noone else seems to have made that.
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On March 05 2024 05:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:44 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:30 DarthPunk wrote: I have high expectations from JAT after he talked such a big game in the obs last time. He's doing fine so far. What specifically do you think he is doing well with? What is that question really, he has one post that is game related... Yes I know. Which is why I am asking. It is an observation i also made, noone else seems to have made that. Ok so it was sarcasm? What the fuck? If you have a question ask me. JAT made the observation of Koshi not wanting to die as he has been wanting to in his last games. It's a decent observation and could ask for answers. Ergo, it's a good start for him to find something relevant in the game that other people have not said already, right or wrong.
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On March 05 2024 05:49 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:44 Vivax wrote: Rayn downplaying his mafia abilities is one fat red flag how have i done that? unless you mean comparison between me/marv/sandroba that i didnt understand You did that when you called dmbs post bullshit. Tsk tsk you have to elaborate more on that.
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Please Vivax, make a case on how i am down playing my mafia play, so i can answer it, because i have no idea what you are saying right now.
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On March 05 2024 05:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:49 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:44 Vivax wrote: Rayn downplaying his mafia abilities is one fat red flag how have i done that? unless you mean comparison between me/marv/sandroba that i didnt understand You did that when you called dmbs post bullshit. Tsk tsk you have to elaborate more on that. When we were trying to gather momentum on VE that you agreed on as well and still did not vote by the way, DMB said there‘s the risk that you are about to become an elected mafia mayor with lots of scumsperience and then you intended to call her mafia for it by the looks of it. So you think i tried to switch the momentum from VE to DMB? Do you think i would do that as mafia? Do you think why i thought DMB is mafia is completely unreasonable?
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On March 05 2024 05:57 Vivax wrote: I am waiting for JS to offer a behind the scenes picture of what‘s really happening in that marv sandro rayn masonry lots of sexy shit!
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Yep Koshi, pretty sure i am insane.
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So VE are you just gonna run in circles or play the game?
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On March 05 2024 06:05 CopCake wrote: Btw, this is a post SPECIAL FOR KOSHI
I like how you call out the bro gay whisperer shit out but I think marv is town. Just because how he approached me to think to not go insane with DP. Actually that's the only thing that puts any red flags on marv for me. How he approached (or well didn't) you.
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On March 05 2024 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: So VE are you just gonna run in circles or play the game? I'm playing son, you know me. so rude, i am almost as old as you are
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On March 05 2024 06:08 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:53 Koshi wrote: So I am on page 36 and I am going to call marv mafia. and I am calling sandroba & rayn dummies for pushing the marv is town shit into this thread with literally nothing to back it up.
Fuck your shit.
town!marv is very capable to play this game and get mayor. He would be a good mayor and this game could be easy and fun.
The shit you 3 are doing is horrible and against town wincon. I also play against town wincon on purpose in previous games and marv was the one complaining and saying I shouldn't do it.
Well he is doing just that.
Now what mafia!marv would do this is an entire other story. And a very believable one.
I also dislike sandroba. I probably like rayn but not enough to say he is for sure not mafia. But ok. I can work with him most likely. Not sure why you are bunching me up with rayn calling marv town. I'm keeping an open mind. He has been townie in the mason chat but the lack of thread presence is worrying. Your commentary is less sharp than usual. Not sure I follow the outburst here, what exactly have we been doing that is anti-town? I also don't like it you are framing as we are acting a group. yeah sandroba is definitely not doing what i am.
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On March 05 2024 06:09 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:05 CopCake wrote: Btw, this is a post SPECIAL FOR KOSHI
I like how you call out the bro gay whisperer shit out but I think marv is town. Just because how he approached me to think to not go insane with DP. sorry to interupt the conversation between you and Sir Koshi, but does that mean you drinking tea with marv instead of me? I don´t like that how you betraid me so early in the game. I am sad about such a lose of friend this is starting to sound like a Bluey episode with these two...
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On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote: Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from???
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On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote: Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? no?
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On March 05 2024 06:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##UnMayor: Vivax ##Mayor: raynpelikoneet
Actually this is probably still better!!! Explain this to me. You believed Vivax trash claim? Why? If you believed it. And still are for w.e reason. Why would it be still better for you to be mayor? you will get to it later.
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On March 05 2024 06:23 Palmar wrote: I really, really, really despise the fact that I can't just click "All" and "ctrl+f palmar" because you assholes spammed this game into oblivion. I really am mostly interested in people talking about me. there is no talking about you because you didnt post.
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So VE posted a bunch of nothing...
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On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!?? I don't know why you feel the need to be this angry towards me as i am just pointing out you posted no substance, which you did.
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On March 05 2024 06:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!?? I don't know why you feel the need to be this angry towards me as i am just pointing out you posted no substance, which you did. But it makes me look bad and might convince people to vote me and then I actually WOULD have to put in effort on D1, which is why I'm angry. I dont think you being angry should convince anyone to vote for you. Just the fact you're avoiding to play the game.
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On March 05 2024 06:34 CopCake wrote: I think VE is trying to be funny ironic and not angry? I dont care what he is trying to do. He hasn't posted any reads.
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Okay what are those reads then?
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I am not sure if town Koshi can think i am mafia with marv.
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On March 05 2024 06:40 VisceraEyes wrote:They are nubile and flimsy. Just like yours. And the reads are?
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Okay that makes more sense from your pov.
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On March 05 2024 06:45 sandroba wrote: I mean I can see you not confident rayn is town, being maybe null on trfel and leaning scum on marv. But pushing to lynch into these 3 now is just ridiculous as town, you are sowing doubt and with no actual town goal. I'm pretty convinced koshi is scum no, he is just playing for scum rn.
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Koshi, can you elaborate more on your read on Trfel?
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On March 05 2024 06:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:13 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:27 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote: I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Would you vote for that if you played in mafiascum? I don't understand the question how would it change anything? rayn? Because he is from mafiascum. Yeah I got that, I guess my implied questions were, like, is it a normal post to make in mafiascum or something? Is what I said wrong because of this piece of information? I don't know. I know that they do RVS. He knows we don't do RVS here. There is not "so much words" in my opinion in his read. His read and justification for vote is: "I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better." I don't consider that "wow so much words", and it lines up pretty well with how people on MS play. If it lines up with how they play on MS. Then it lines up with how he would play as mafia to pretend he is town. Like what is your point here? He does something similar on a new site so must be town? I didn't say he is town. I said Rels' case doesnt make him mafia.
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Why are you voting Vivax for mayor DP? Detailed reasoning pls just not say he's town PR.
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On March 05 2024 07:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:13 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:27 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote: Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post.
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I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission
The rest of his filter is also nothing Would you vote for that if you played in mafiascum? I don't understand the question how would it change anything? rayn? Because he is from mafiascum. Yeah I got that, I guess my implied questions were, like, is it a normal post to make in mafiascum or something? Is what I said wrong because of this piece of information? I don't know. I know that they do RVS. He knows we don't do RVS here. There is not "so much words" in my opinion in his read. His read and justification for vote is: "I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better." I don't consider that "wow so much words", and it lines up pretty well with how people on MS play. If it lines up with how they play on MS. Then it lines up with how he would play as mafia to pretend he is town. Like what is your point here? He does something similar on a new site so must be town? I didn't say he is town. I said Rels' case doesnt make him mafia. Ok. Fair. Rels concern is legit. But I can see how it doesn't make TTS lock mafia in your eyes. Still. TTS is hiding behind his other site. And doing nothing spectacular. If he is overwhelmed by the amount of posts I understand. But that is not our problem. No, but i dont want to lynch him just because of that, which is completely NAI. We have 20 players out of 21 where we can tell if something is AI or not, and he is tha ONE we can't. Stupid lynch. Easy to figure out later most likely.
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Dunno why Rels is so hung up on THAT slot over any other.
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I would not be surprised if Palmar and VE were mafia together in this game.
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On March 05 2024 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would not be surprised if Palmar and VE were mafia together in this game. This is why Double Picard facepalm What am i supposed to think VE? You have 2 pages of filter, the only reasonable post you have is calling a claimed cop mafia. And that took you like fucking one day to get out of...
What am i supposed to think?
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fine you can do whatever you want. i can focus on my real life stuff then as i dont get to play anyways.
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you are fucking stupid. let it be known now.
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On March 05 2024 07:29 DarthPunk wrote:lol why? youre mafia. gn.
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On March 05 2024 20:30 Koshi wrote: I need to talk to rayn so he can convince me he is town regardless of his alignment. I am not sure if that's going to happen though. I got annoyed yesterday so i am considering you/Vivax/DP do whatever you want to do.
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Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread.
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Rels probably town, JAT maybe mafia.
I dont understand why JAT keeps complaining about Vivax mayor but cant read anyone as town except Koshi but does nothing about Koshi getiing mayor.
Rels doesnt seem to be pushing any agenda.
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On March 05 2024 20:45 iamperfection wrote: I would like a detailed summary of both whisper logs please. I can do that when i am home.
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Well for instance you could try toget people to actually vote for Koshi, or try to get a read on me, marv, sandroba, iamp, palmar who all are on par with Koshi level.
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On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? I completely understand your logic here and agree with it. To me it just looks like you are not really trying to do anything about it. Like really really try to do..
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On March 05 2024 21:32 Koshi wrote: For me Palmar & tfrel need to go. You can swap them out for Hapa and Jealous if you want. But they should be modkilled. It's sad but just unfair after 0 posts. I thought everybody except 3 confirmed? I was one of the 3 that didn't join the discord yet. This is very good.
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Hi.
Hi.
marv says he has complicated timeline, tries to play first 24h in the afternoon
M: "20 pages already"
R: Yeah 50% of it is DP
M: agrees with my iamp and vivax townish reads, then sees i took vivax read back, he still thinks vivax is townish. DMB looks townish, Oats townish, DP looks townish (definitely not telling him that :D)
We discuss a little bit about the vivax read. i say vivax is not enough paranoid, marv disagrees it makes him necessarily mafia. i tell him that vivax paranoid level is "MS game DP made a (very good) case on vivax' top scumread, vivax STILL thought DP is mafia with that guy the WHOLE GAME". Marv semi agrees it could mean vivax is mafia, still looks townish tonally, but we'll know better soon enough anyways
we discuss a little bit of the DP vs Cake debate, no real conclusions. marv thinks might be townish for Cake to go against DP (or would be insane as mafia, but that doesnt mean Cake isn't insane)
I tell marv what i am looking after with my question to cake.
marv asks about my slam scumread i tell him i am gonna post it in thread when i am home since phoneposting sucks
we talk a little bit about mayor, i say we shoudl elect him, he says he doesnt think town will go for him as mayor anyways since activity issues. he asks me why i am towreading him, i say our reads align very well and the DP thing lol^^
we agree to elect me most likely at second part of D1.
marv complains about having issues to read trfel, i tell i have to check something before making a read on him but i think he looked townie. I take back Trfel town read, i had misread something, or thought i saw something that was not there.
marv says he is also masons with sandroba. i ask him if he thinks sandroba is town. marv says he thinks i am town and sandroba also looks townie in chat. i tell him to tell sandroba that we are planning on electing me, he says sandroba is on the fence.
marv says he still thinks vivax is town, i am coming to agree since vivax' reads look pretty similar to mine, except for sandroba push. we discuss that a little bit and come to conclusion its not a scummy push but definitely wrong. i say that I dont think sandroba's read on Trfel is very good so i kind of understand Vivax there. It is just basically "mindmeld", i don't consider that very good heuristic since scum are going to town read townies all the time anyways, just because Trfel made a same point about MZ that sandroba was thinking should not mean much just by itself.
I tell marv he should tell sandroba we need to work together here for mayor election, marv says sandroba seems a bit suspicious of marv. I tell him to tell sandroba that i am very certain of marv being town, and if he thinks i am town he should trust that read.
sandroba is still on the fence because he doesnt understand why i townread marv.
Vivax claiming JK omg, what the fuck, lol... this game.... slam also claimed cop.
I say its not a disaster if vivax is mayor. marv thinks it's a bad idea, what if does something unpredictable for instance shoots sandroba? marv doesnt want to vote for vivax.
i quote iamps "moron mayor" post and laugh. marv says thats one of the reasons he thinks iamp is town, he's not that funny as mafia. i say i also laughed at the "i dont wanna be mayor because i dont wanna live that long in this game" post.
marv is annoyed at the claiming, i agree, esp as they are people who make weird decisions, worst case scenario is bad. marv is trying to convince sandroba i am best mayor candidate.
marv has to leave, but doesnt leave after all :D
he tells me to stop arguing with vivax, it doesnt help. marv says Rels' Oats read is super bad, i say i think all Rels' reds so far are bad. I dont know why he would go down that road as mafia though.
marv actually leaves for the night.
I tell him i am probably just gonna refrain from posting today, and DP, Koshi and Vivax can do whatever they want. I just get annoyed at them. I ask marv why he thinks VE is town. I say Palmar maybe JAT mafia... i have to revisit dmb, trfel, jacob. Everyone else looks more or less town (add VE to maf list here) marv says he doesnt think VE is necessarily town, he doesnt understand why he couldnt play like this as town
marv says he talked with sandroba and maybe just elect vivax and not clutter up the thread with that shit anymore marv says VE doesnt look great, takes back the read
I tell just elect vivax whatever
i say VE can be completely useless as town and i dont thinkthats necessarily alignment indicative for him. I scumread him because he got angry at my post which should not generate that kind of reaction as it was perfectly neutral post. He always does that because he tries to fake his town anger but it is directed in completely unreasonable places.
I say Jacob is probably just town because he doesnt realise slam has claimed and the read didnt look fake to me
I say yeah Palmar is mafia
the end!
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On March 05 2024 22:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 21:32 Koshi wrote: For me Palmar & tfrel need to go. You can swap them out for Hapa and Jealous if you want. But they should be modkilled. It's sad but just unfair after 0 posts. I thought everybody except 3 confirmed? I was one of the 3 that didn't join the discord yet. This is very good. Why is this good? Because we're lynching mafia.
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On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? marv has not posted anything in the chat after voting for you, aside from answering my VE question and telling me him and sandroba decided to vote vivax for mayor.
So no, not really weird.
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On March 05 2024 22:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: --- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? marv has not posted anything in the chat after voting for you, aside from answering my VE question and telling me him and sandroba decided to vote vivax for mayor. So no, not really weird. Let's do a hypothetical, I know you love those and the chances of it ending in us arguing about semantics is close to zero. I die, I flip town. What do you now think of marv (assuming he doesn't post anything else in your topic). I am pretty sure you're not gonna flip town today in case you're town.
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It depends on what you do and what he does during the rest of the day.
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Not gonna lie though, this is the first time i think you are posting something i consider slightly townie. I am interested in where it leads.
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On March 05 2024 23:25 Palmar wrote: Btw I'm like 90% certain sandroba is town now.
People don't do this as mafia. He just dropped a post saying I look worse and worse, and then changes his mind like 5 minutes later.
It's really hard to come out of an aggressive tunnel like that as mafia, because you kinda have to force yourself to attack someone and when you've spent effort in making an attack on someone you know is town, it's super hard to just throw it away when new evidence presents itself.
ergo, I think sandroba is town, and he is now my captain. old news
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On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:[...] VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. (1): He seems to be happy to be playing the game. (2): He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. [...] Palmar:
1) Why would VE not be happy to be playing as mafia as "he wishes he was mafia" and two town roles have claimed? 2) Why is this townie? He did absolutely nothing to pursue his mayoral campaign, in fact he did the best to NOT make anyone vote for him by refusing to post a single read on anyone...
3) Why is sandroba super town for his JAT read? I made the exact same read a couple of pages ago.
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On March 06 2024 00:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:[...] VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. (1): He seems to be happy to be playing the game. (2): He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. [...] Palmar: 1) Why would VE not be happy to be playing as mafia as "he wishes he was mafia" and two town roles have claimed? 2) Why is this townie? He did absolutely nothing to pursue his mayoral campaign, in fact he did the best to NOT make anyone vote for him by refusing to post a single read on anyone... 3) Why is sandroba super town for his JAT read? I made the exact same read a couple of pages ago. 1) and 2) I said, it's a little bit of wishful thinking, but there is also just a general tendency of townies to be more carefree and happy than mafia. This is just a fact, because playing town is much easier. Like one of the defining things of mafia is that you have to fake conflict, which almost forces you to be a little bit moody or aggressive or lazy. As town you can just be on your merry way and you will happily bump into conflict. There's no pressure to create reads. 3) I liked his JAT read, but I looved the fact that he also mentioned that my recent posting was indicative. It's the fast paced change of mind that makes me think it looks town. Read above about how mafia has to create conflict. It's hard work and it's mentally expensive to throw it out. Okay to all other points, but "one of the defining things of mafia is that you have to fake conflict" is exactly what i consider VE did. Here:
On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!?? classic scum VE post imo, fake rage directed to something that in no way requires such reaction. I mean i just pointed out what he was doing and he even agrees with it himself...
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On March 06 2024 00:09 Palmar wrote: Also I had no idea you thought JAT was mafia rayn, I don't really read your filters.
But I mean.... happy we've reached the same conclusion? Friends? I literally posted this after you started posting so i guess you're not really reading the thread either:
On March 05 2024 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels probably town, JAT maybe mafia.
I dont understand why JAT keeps complaining about Vivax mayor but cant read anyone as town except Koshi but does nothing about Koshi getiing mayor.
Rels doesnt seem to be pushing any agenda.
On March 05 2024 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well for instance you could try toget people to actually vote for Koshi, or try to get a read on me, marv, sandroba, iamp, palmar who all are on par with Koshi level.
On March 05 2024 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? I completely understand your logic here and agree with it. To me it just looks like you are not really trying to do anything about it. Like really really try to do..
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On March 06 2024 00:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote: Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy If you think I'm mafia for real you need to have your head examined The last time I did that the country slipped into a doctor crisis. that maybe explains you reading me, marv and iamp mafia?
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On March 06 2024 00:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 00:13 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 00:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote: Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy If you think I'm mafia for real you need to have your head examined The last time I did that the country slipped into a doctor crisis. that maybe explains you reading me, marv and iamp mafia? Two of those wouldn't elect a claimed JK mayor but at least you have a motive for that. I cant speak for sandroba but marv thinks youre a loose cannon which is a thought you're kinda enforcing here.
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i mean anyone who thinks iamp is mafia has to be either fucking insane or mafia.
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I dont think DP is scum i just got angry at him yesterday.
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On March 06 2024 00:24 iamperfection wrote: Dp did squeamishly back off me very quickly which raised an eyebrow from me. Made me think he knows my alignment That vote on you was pretty bad though...
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But do you want to touch DP for reals?
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On March 06 2024 00:42 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:34 Jealous wrote: Hi, vanilla town reporting. After losing yesterday to being ill, I'm going to be catching up over the next few hours. Will share any thoughts/reads I have as I do so. Thanks for being patient! The old 24 hour flu I hear that's going around the one that happens to start on the first day after seeing some red?
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On March 06 2024 12:12 iamperfection wrote: my first thought is that marv is very suspicious No, Palmar is mafia.
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On March 06 2024 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 12:12 iamperfection wrote: my first thought is that marv is very suspicious No, Palmar is mafia. Don't think so. I don give any fucks what you think.
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DMB what's your read on Cake?
Jealous please tell me which game you have caught me?
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Palmar says its possible mafia rayn masoned mafia marv, that should already be like 100% scum claim.
Palmar claims VE lloks worse does absolutely nothing about it, while VE is his best buddy he is really really really good at reading. scumclaim #2
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On March 06 2024 12:40 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT. On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote: Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
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vote trefl This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT... Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB. agree this looks bad. I agree too but I don't mind looking bad at night. Trfel (11): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba Justanothertownie (6): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Oatsmaster So the people on JAT when the dust settles are Palmer who is looking more town but still kinda has shade on him, meat baby which I like, Trfel which is ehh, Rels who is kinda null MZ who is slightly sus and oats which has ping ponged sus and not. Where as the people on trfel are Iampef who is a mild town read, dp who's a town read, Vivax who's a strong town read, Sandro who's a town read, Koshi who's a town read, ve who's kinda a scum read but also known to be read as scum when town. then marv who I've gone back to neutral on and slam who's a town read. JAT is ehh same as trifle Doesn't matter where anyone is if those both are town.
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Okay do you think i am bussing all of my scumbuddies except for Oats since all of my mafia reads at the time are in your black column?
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On March 06 2024 12:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: DMB what's your read on Cake?
answer, and detailed please, dont quote your shit list because it's shit
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You are sayng either really obvious or really stupid stuff rn Cake ...
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On March 06 2024 08:19 Jealous wrote:Okay I had like 51 more tabs with quotes up but fuck it, this post is already too bloated as is. All reads are shitty D1 reads, shitty for obvious reasons (not much concrete info to work with). Definitely some reads that I am probably getting wrong because I haven't played with many of you and have not played many games here period so I have to interpret how others are reacting to that poster's behavior (ex: Alakaslam is just schizoposting but that seems to be NAI for them based on how little attention it is getting). Also, I know this isn't saying much given basic probability and etc., but the majority of interactions/slapfights/finger-pointing felt very TvT to me. Anyway: 1) raynpelikoneet - Hard to have a strong scum lean at the moment but rayn's behavior isn’t not mafia!rayn from what I can tell/my experience. I certainly don’t think he should be bailed out by other posters whose conduct I was unimpressed with, like CopCake. Seeing other people I am more confident in believing to be town having the same impression has helped me feel a bit more confident in my gut read here. Having played and successfully read rayn as scum in the past, this feels a lot like that time. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 06 2024 00:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: i mean anyone who thinks iamp is mafia has to be either fucking insane or mafia. Which means you should be casing DP instead of playing the drama queen which you are not doing. Which is why you are within your scumrange. ^ Agreed, even though I also agree with rayn that iamp is not mafia. Seems like a pocket attempt to me. On March 05 2024 06:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable. Dumbest thing I read. Slam is more reasonable? Ok rayn. ^ Agreed with Koshi on this. “Slam is more reasonable” is not what I’m seeing in this game. On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote: [quote] No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. ^ Did not like these posts from rayn at all. “Look at my stats guys, c’mon, I’m town.” Then blathers on about so much stuff that is barely relevant as if this is Chapter 12 in a long saga of some sort and not isolated incidents/games. 2) Oatsmaster - Don't feel too strongly about it; I didn't find their early posts to be all that bad. Some of the later unsubstantiated reads/posts, not as much; they kinda rubbed me the wrong way, like a person trying to deflect attention from themselves onto someone else. + Show Spoiler [Example] +On March 05 2024 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Thinking about it more, that dmb list is terrible 3) DarthPunk - Probably one of my strongest town reads at the moment. Was pushing the game forward from the very start, and in general I find myself agreeing with his reads on others. Spends time and effort reviewing his reads/tunnels on others, updates his reads publicly and without prompting at times. The concern I have is that he could be just a smart + experienced mafia who is doing a good job of looking townie, but I guess time will tell. Some posts of theirs I liked: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:01 DarthPunk wrote:OK having just read Jacob's filter from this game and his last town game, gun to my head I would probably say town, he is posting 'freely' and there are a few times he volunteered reads + Show Spoiler +On March 04 2024 18:01 JacobStrangelove wrote: Okay I'm backish, currently sick so I may drop out for a few hours at a time to just sleep shits exhausting.
It's totally within DP's Meta to be question presuring and smug but as I said before I'm not going to think about him for a good while otherwise we'll get another JSL v TTT event.
Slam is interesting. I'm using all my power to not instantly Cheziu vote them.
Ray always seems like the most reasonable person ever to me but this might be because I don't think I've ever been in a ray scum game. This said I would vote for them for Mayor behind myself.
Cake Cop's gender identity has thrown my read of them entirely off which is strange I didn't realise it would do that I'll have to start reading them again.
I'm not sure who it was but someone came into the thread and was like hey three pages and no votes bah but then in the vote thread doesn't seem to have voted either. On March 05 2024 08:38 JacobStrangelove wrote:Okay I've been reading for like an hour and only up to page 55 but oh boy was it a "Fun" night. this is just up to 55 haven't seen anything after that. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote: Moving Oats to town. I thought he spammed too much at the time and his question to the host felt like something he could have done in PM land but the fact he felt the same way about JS looking scummish early probably means we think more alike than not.
So I‘m at:
Town: DP, Rayn, Oats, TTS Good nulls : Marv Null/need to read more: MZ, cop, Slam Bad nulls: VE, Sandroba Mafia: Trfel Okay I'll just open up replies of interest from when I was sleeping and then combine them all later it might look a bit discombobulated. Do you still think I'm scummish? If so where am I on the list? Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand the case Vivax, can you sum it up? Yeah I'm not seeing Sando being bad from this either she was like exactly I changed my mind. Seemed town in play as far as I could tell. (following up with later posts sando being in mason with marv and not being seen as scum by marv is also good) Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi is trying too hard to do his “I’m so town look at me stuff” I also did get this impression a bit but I might be biased by last game Koshi being mafia, speaking of I voted for him to see if he got pouty about it. Which they did a very small amount but not sure if alignment indicitive nessesarally. (follow up now that I've read to page 55 both my very slight town reads are voting VE and then Rayn just started mentioning voting VE so I would be happy to "sheep", that said I wasn't super impressed but I know I have a massive cognative bais against Koshi. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:13 Vivax wrote: I have been thinking a bit about it and believe that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of me claiming Jailkeeper on D1.
That‘s basically the only reason I want to be mayor.
I think that with half the day over we‘re far enough in the phase to have gathered who else was keen on the mayor spot without having the role to justify it. Honestly wtf how? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 02:39 marvellosity wrote: Vivax is town but I don’t trust his lynch target if he gets elected.
Slam there is no point doing anything with. Let mafia deal with him and if he’s alive in X days revisit it. Vivax is prob role-blocked and killed however now if not elected. If elected we are probably tying up a possible rb on him forever. Either way we lost one protective role for town, but now we have to think about how to minimize the damage or make the best situation out of it. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote: I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. Okay I see the logic of tying up a role block forever on him but... if mafia (although I find it almost certain he isn't) I feel like I would prefer a strong town later. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:37 iamperfection wrote: Copcake goes up several town tiers for borderline cheating This is kinda fair. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:03 CopCake wrote: I think that Vivax is angry because he claimed and he might lose mayor so he is going to die at night.
And if he doesnt die, then he fake claimed.
Because why would mafia lose an opportunity like that, right?
I don't feel mafia vivax would do this without this much pressure like don't get me wrong that's actually a play I can see someone making or... I could see someone convinced into by their scum team but I don't know if they would have used jailkeeper for that claim and also what about counterclaim risks as mafia? No I think vivax is town. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:11 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote: I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Eh, let them decide. It is far from shitting up the thread. If that bothers you, you should be shouting me down honestly. It bothers me that marv kinda forced the sandroba read on us because "mason stuff". Really bad going forward to approach it like that. Ehh was already reading sandro as pretty town. Think the mason hate is weird. Anyway will disapear again until I catch up from page 55 On March 05 2024 09:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:15 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 05:14 die_meatbaby wrote: @copcake my tea is getting cold and I ate already a lot of the hand baked biscuits.I am waiting for you to tell me the real tea about you that I should know. I hope I didn't bake this exquisite pastry for the wrong person. What is this the newest issue of modern grandma Found this really funny, not helpful I know but I like it. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote: I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. What is Rayn's Scum range I probably need to know. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:38 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 05:34 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote: I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. So you thinks it's possible scum rayn masoned marv willingly We don't even know what marv is. Besides, why shouldn't he? It's like you think masoning marv is equal to running naked and heavily armed into a military encampment. I mean if Marv was town quite possibly but not for a player like Ray who while I've only seen the town play but I know it's strong and strong early which is why if town being mayor would be an advantage compared to say dp who's town game is only strong later. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:57 Vivax wrote: I am waiting for JS to offer a behind the scenes picture of what‘s really happening in that marv sandro rayn masonry After a day like this my night post is going to be glorious. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote: I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^ If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there. 0 fucks would be given. Great way to not end up as mayor. Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at page 36 and too angry to continue. But town: iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor. dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way. Vivax I like him MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way Null Oats Mafia DMB because bad start TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe. marv because he can die Okay are you avoiding me specifically or really have no opinion even a null one? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:16 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch. Pretty scummy, I pledge to make my personal lynch a scum lynch. Much better platform. This is funny and as marv says funny palmer is mafia. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote: I think Koshi is super townie here.
Also I am going to unvote cake.
##unvote WHY what? *takes deep breath and decides not to tunnel DP again. Would you be able to explain why you are unvoting cake please. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 07:29 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote DarthPunk lol why? youre mafia. gn. Love this. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? I mean after seeing you unvote cake... Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. This said good looking post, as sad as it is maybe it's worth keeping vivax alive. I did like him before he roll claimed tbh seemed townish which is why it baffled me all the more that he felt presured enough to claim. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote: The fact that vivax claimed when he did is arguably bad, but now that he HAS claimed, it is just worse to not make him NK immune by voting him for mayor.
otherwise he will just get NK this night, and we lose a confirmed town.
So someone explain to me why I am the idiot in this situation? You know mayors can get lynched right bud Are we lynching vivax marv? You miss my point. You elect a nut job who kills stupid people or makes stupid decision. Or you elect someone v likely town who might actually hit mafia, and In case you elected mafia after all you can still lynch them later But I can also see this point as well. Difficult.... I'm conflicted right now. when he didn't have to this game which was also a notable trait in his last town game. Activity metrics are comparable to his town play and the posting style is quite similar. The only thing that gives me pause is his treatment of me as confirmed town from the get-go, and not wanting to lynch his top scum read over lurkers. These are big reasons to be worried but if his activity stays on track and he doesn't contribute to actively trying to find mafia later then yeet him, but I don't want to lynch him today. His latest posting is really weird, but he posted some out there shit in his last town game to so meh. ^ Example of effort-posting/pushing the game forward. Could be seen as a slight waffle maybe, but I at least get what they are saying and their thought process here. On March 05 2024 05:27 DarthPunk wrote: I tend to like the town circle for now.
The only one I’m really afraid of being mafia in that lot is Rayn
I think mz looked wayyyy better recently so I’m moving him to town for now.
Cake still looks bad.
Koshi looks townie to me. He has that level of arrogance that I felt was missing in his mafia game. I also sensed he was genuinely butthurt at not being in the town circle which I found hilarious but also townie.
Rels makes sense, he is wayyyy less aggressive than I remember but that is old old meta.
^ I agree with this to the extent that is possible given my knowledge. Another reason I’m in the DP = town camp, because their thinking aligns with my own and I’m town, more or less. 4) Vivax - Basically have to operate on the assumption that they are town at this point, if they are mafia then I don't know shit about fuck and probably shouldn't be playing forum mafia in general. Also similar reasons to DP. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +Some posts of theirs I like: On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote: I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. ^ Even though I don't necessarily agree with it, I think that going against someone who has been supporting you [as far as I recall, it's been a lot of posts] is pretty townie. On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. ^ I don’t see a rayn/iamp/Vivax team as a possibility so measured posts like this one look pretty good to me, like a townie trying to make sure they don’t over-tunnel. 5) sandroba - Similar arguments as for DP, more or less. + Show Spoiler [Why?] + On March 06 2024 05:57 sandroba wrote: I dunno Palmar feels very off after digesting for a bit. It's not normal that he buddies up to me so quickly, even if he agrees with my takes. If I had been insanely active I could see it, but here it seems he is trying to pocket me. He even exaggerates the fact that I backed off of him and started acting like I suddenly see him as town. The tone he entered the thread in general feels very different as well. It looks more like d4 reasonable palmar after raport has been built and he has a stronger grasp of people's possible alignment than d1 palmar who is more skeptical and has some plan.
^ Not gonna keep reiterating it but posts like these look townie to me. Pointing out inconsistencies in behavior, not letting themselves be pocketed when in theory they might not mind it, doing so unprompted, etc. Can obv. be smart mafia but idk, just feels organic to me. On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. ^ Not as thoroughly convinced as them but this is more townie behavior from sandroba IMO. 6) Trfel - I would appreciate people pointing out exactly what was so bad about their conduct on D1 because I'm not seeing it, though to be fair they have been less active for a bit and it's been dozens of pages since I read something they wrote and I caught up in one big chunk. 7) marvellosity - Have mostly been able to follow along with their reasoning even if I don’t agree with all of their reads IIRC. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote: I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Hard to explain why but I trust this in the context of their other interactions and how their reads on others don’t align IIRC, hopefully one of my later saved quotes elaborates on this. This reads like two townies to me and I’m willing to believe marv’s story and gut here based on their other conduct. 8) Jealous - I am VT. 9) Meapak_Ziphh - Active and seems to be pushing the game forward IMO, find myself agreeing with their analysis of other players. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +On March 05 2024 13:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:41 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 09:55 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 09:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this. I lost track, what do you think about CopCake? I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows. Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't. This said the Cop case def wasn't meta. On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better This is a great post. ##vote: Oats Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason? Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake. Dude, make a case on me. I made a case on you two pages ago and after you were mad at me for not addressing my issues with you, you didn't even bother with what I wrote which makes me inclined to believe you don't really have an answer since you seem very intent on defending yourself from everyone else. On March 05 2024 01:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good? If I remember correctly, he called me mafia for having TMI for calling you town in a secure way. Which I applaud. Here, I honestly do not understand or I am pretty stupid. Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia. In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers. Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me. As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT) Thing is, DP is bravado, he has said so before such as “he controls lynches” and stuff like that. Here, he is too quiet for the exception of calling me wolf.
As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time” Am I wrong for getting with this conclusion? This is a general question for everyone, not just Rayn. First off the red piece is objectively wrong, DP is like a top 3 poster in this game purely on volume. Secondly I think you're completely mischaracterizing the interaction you two had a couple of pages back. 10) Palmar - I haven’t been really impressed with their play for the most part IMO. Quotes like this one stand out as particularly “meh” to me because why play if you’re not going to read/play? Seems like this is a “Meh don’t try so hard, I’m not” post, and that just leaves me with a bad taste. I know it may be hypocritical of me to say this at this juncture, but low effort town is not a good look and makes me think it might actually just be scum laying out excuses for the future. This is counterbalanced by the fact that the majority of their posts were generally alright and I generally agreed with their line of thinking, making it seem like organic townie stuff. Neutral for now, but I do think I understand why there is a train on them now; I just don’t feel as much conviction about it and don’t want to jump on the boat when there are people who I find more suspicious/less beneficial to the game. 11) justanothertownie - It almost feels suicidal to be again a the Vivax for mayor narrative so frankly I don't see JAT doing so as mafia and sticking out like a sore thumb. However, I can't put too much weight on this read and I didn't like their analyses as much as others' so I don't have much that makes them absolutely townie either, IMO. Neutral for now, because I don’t think that their head-scratcher posts were AI (though I was tempted to sheep sandroba re: JAT as quoted above). + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? ^ Having a hard time understanding what the point of something like this is, for example. On March 05 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote: I think I like the direction that seems to have formed of Iamp, Rayn, marv and to a lesser degree sandro as a council of sorts. I had at least 3-4 moments in the early pages where Iamp posted exactly what I was thinking at the time. Rayn seems reasonable so far (but him masoning marv is probably something he does as either alignment) and I agree that marv masoning sandro is a move that is more likely to come from town. Would still prefer if people used the thread to communicate even though it would make catching up even harder. ^ Ironically I agree with basically these reads except for rayn but was an example of where I thought JAT’s opinion mostly aligned with my own, so tough to believe he might be scum. Maybe using the reads to disguise a scumbuddy in there, perhaps? Still, mostly WIFOM stuff for me. 12) die_meatbaby - Another poster whose posts I had a somewhat hard time following conceptually sometimes, but for the most part I didn’t think it was all that bad. Nothing great, but nothing horrible either. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 06 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote: I had an early town read on dmb, but she has then turned into more of a single threaded bot that only pops in to talk about the vivax claim. Not seeing as many unprompted inputs from her as I would expect from her as town. ^ Can’t say I agree with this with conviction but I can see this as being true to my own experience. I didn’t mind their long list post, though. Spoilered: + Show Spoiler [Long list post] +On March 05 2024 12:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:52 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 05:56 Rels wrote: I will be gone for the next few hours. die_meatbaby when I'm back this evening I would be ecstatic if I find a list post from you, or even who is your biggest scumread and why Rels this is such a hard post to make this early of a game and my opinions will for sure change but for right now this what I think of the players and I know everytime I make a list post people call me scum but as I want to make a favor for a french guy for once in a lifetime here you go… Good TownMe 🙂 VivaxI know the claim was unnecessary if he has no PR. But I would say for sure never what he make such scummy slightly stupid thing as mafia. Too obvious, too high for his mafia meta. Maybe he is just a Townie but I totally understand why he did such a thing. He has trust issues and paranoia with this things you wouldn´t trust on anybody else to vote as a major. But he knows his alignment and it is for sure safer option to have as a major then anybody else right now! I hope he is blue, if not he is at least Town. And you guys know I would lynch him directly if he looks scummy to me. Did it as Town and as Mafia but right now I don´t see any reason to lynch him because he wouldn´t play like this as mafia TownRelshe only has a 2 page filter but he asks very good questions and really tries to help Town. At least that's how it looks to me for now. Could change quickly of course Sandrobahas the same energie as in the last game. Safe for now. Less Town but would have a chance to get TownishKoshi Didn´t like his inactivity at the start of the game. I know him way more active and aggressiv as Town. DPTrfl IAPSlightly scummyJSLMy Dear CC I am sorry but you disappointed me at the teaparty JustanotherTowniejustanotherscum MarvNo Town Marv behavier found MafiaOatsmasterSeems like he just asks a stupid questions and not trying to help us. RaynOn March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote: [quote]
He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. I actually called him a really good mafia player here and his reaction is definitely not townish. No categorySlam illegible god of the gameMZ useless (for me rn) VE I'm sorry but I can't judge you, that would be the same as a doctor measuring the heartbeat of a coked-up guy. The result will probably be wrong Just WTF TotheStars I mean his filter looks worse then the history of my country Not playing jealous Hapahauli This is just OMGUS On March 05 2024 05:07 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:00 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. She's saying you are too experienced and dangerous as scum to trust you with that on a D1. that would be another bullshit statement. Uhhhhh thats scum rayn getting mad because newbie ruins his scum major plan. Already love this game. I didn´t write any bs just my opinion why vivax claims and why I wouldn´t vote you as mayor only for lynch but not on D1 maybe on d2 I actually agree with them here. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote: I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Agreed with them here again. 13) CopCake - I don’t know if it’s because I have a hard time following their mindset/writing, or because of their self-professed “style”, but I just did not find any of their Day 1 play to be all that productive. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 03:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:55 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 03:34 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote: I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room. that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me rayn loves to be more town than mafia. He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that. I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so. This feels like the awkward moment where you need to make up for possibly exposing him as scum. Vivax, take a break please and come back. Because I think you know this can’t make sense. You’re just annoyed at the game and people in it and it leads to posts like this. ^ Don’t want to beat it to death but I did not like these CopCake posts, I did like the Vivax and marv posts here. On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote: Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake? ^ My thoughts exactly. 14) JacobStrangelove - Another poster that I have a hard time understanding and who doesn’t seem to want to be understood, preferring to talk in weird ways instead of being clear until pressured. Like, what the hell are these posts? + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 14:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound. It's a parked vote didn't remember you had voted them at the time, why? Are you afraid they'll be lynched? Did you try and get away with early voting your scum buddy early and it's now scary? I see a deflection case here you think it'll be easy to lynch me to save yourself. I could cover old ground but the reasons you seem scummy are just in the thread. DP's case you havent held up to the preasure very well. The reason for not voting you are purely semantic activity based. You'll only turn more red the more you post if you are part of the evil british army! Oh wait yeah it was the british with red coats in the Napoleonic era huh.... I guess I can be American.... On March 05 2024 14:40 JacobStrangelove wrote: Now I will say this isn't based on DP's interaction with women that I've seen. He's clearly a stud and women love him. More DP's style of interaction I've put in a box of people who are like that, and seperatally people who are like that interacting with women or woman styled men tend to cause a more stubborn reaction in that same style. So initially based on the gender change I was seeing you as less mafia. 15) Hapahauli - I don't know them but I don't think it would be smart/most people would be disinterested enough as mafia to basically ask to be modkilled. Based on others' reactions, it doesn't seem to be in this player's nature. 16) Iamperfection - I just think that like the other townreads I have, their activity was productive and is more townie than not. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 02:42 iamperfection wrote: Rels made 2 posts and then seems to disappear despite a lot of stuff happening ^ Bringing this up when they were under no heat of their own and driving the game forward. Small stuff but there were other examples. Of course, we did end up finding out what’s going on with Rels, but this is still good IMO. Just to be clear, not strong on its own, but as part of the larger package. 17) Koshi - Like my other town reads, definitely feels like someone who is trying to push the game forward and catch mafia. We will 100% find out how good of a job they are doing in the near future as we get some flips, but for now, Koshi has been one of the more townie-sounding people I’ve read. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 21:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? I disagree with that mafia is on board. When I read this thread after 18 or 20 hours in game. There was 1) not enough pressure on mafia. DP tried to put some work in but he was alone. 2) no town circle 3) a 7 page Vivax that blueclaimed and was ridiculed. While a lackluster rayn had 3 times as much votes for Mayor. (or something like that) I am saying that mafia was content at that point in the game. And now it is our job to find a good Mayor. (Which is Vivax because I can't read 1 good argument why he is mafia, the argument he is reckless or stupid is fake!media, it's really a shitshow argument if your alternative is rayn) to vote mafia. Which marv initiated quite nicely & on time. Palmar needs to make a move now and if he doesn't this is a good lynch to create a town circle. Which has not happened yet. I don't even know where to start. I think iamp/DP for their early game. I think CC because she seems full of good intentions. Somewhere there is a good start. On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote: For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia: 1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1. 2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1. 3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia: 4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon. 5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia. 6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. ^ Posts like these don’t feel like a mafia!Koshi would be going this hard against a townie!Palmar or defending a mafia!marv. 18) ToTheStars - I don’t find the case against them to be that strong but the difference between what they were posting like at the beginning vs. their notable absence when being pressured by a lot of others makes me think that they are hoping they are just overlooked/forgotten somehow and that people move to new targets. 19) VisceraEyes - Kinda neutral on them tbh; wouldn’t mind a reminder as to why this person might be a good lynch, because frankly I don’t recall anything too egregious. + Show Spoiler [Example] +On March 05 2024 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote: OMG so much was not expecting so much loooool
People pretending to have reads that mean anything already are fucking awesome, like I can kinda get a read off that stuff but so many are good at faking it. You guys won't have any meaningful reads until flips happen.
I am, actively, doing jack shit. But I'm also not pushing an agenda or doing anything scummy, so energy put into lynching me is wasted.
So you want a mayor that is in here pretending with you guys. I get it. I hear you. I'm just not doing it. I'm not pretending to have reads that mean anything right now. I'm going to lynch someone who is barely posting, someone who ISN'T ME that is barely posting, and that's what I'll do as mayor. You either like that or you don't. I was hoping Slam would come in here and make you guys like it but you can't count on anyone these days.
I'll talk to you guys about who I think is mafia after I see some stuff happen in the thread that is alignment indicative. I don't think how DMB phrased something or how much Oats posted D1 or any bullshit like that is alignment indicative. I like votes, lynches, who pushes what and why. We don't have that D1. We have activity. So that's what I'm running on bish. You don't like my activity level? Then you agree with my premise and should vote me as mayor rather than someone who could be mafia. ^ I don’t think this is necessarily productive but I can also resonate with this and seems like a townie wanting to prevent a mislynch more than a cornered scum to me. 20) Rels - Maybe I’m just getting loopy at this point but I really don’t remember much of anything that Rels did. Going to not be too judgmental right now but worried about a scum taking a back seat here. Going to keep an eye out. Update as I was writing: Seems there are family issues there, will be willing to let them live for now and hope things get better soon. 21) Alakaslam - Can't outright say they seem scummy but I certainly don't understand what the fuck they are saying most of the time, which to me means that they are not playing in town's best interest, which means I wouldn't mind seeing them gone and we might get a mafia lynch for it to boot. FWIW I get that they went through a rough time recently; in fact IIRC I spoke to them in a blog somewhere about it. But then, why join this game? Why “play” like this? Maybe they are riding on “just Alakaslam things” as an excuse? Etc. + Show Spoiler [Waste of time] +On March 05 2024 14:40 Alakaslam wrote: Honestly I am being honest I swear to my honesty honest to God
I edit my posts and read before posting honestly I swear to honest On March 05 2024 14:41 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 14:40 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 14:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 14:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 14:31 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 14:30 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote: would dp come after me as mafia? im guessing no? Why not? Nothing sticks so he can sling shit any direction. Ok saying that reminded me of a rant he made not long ago Retracting the SR. Actually might be a hard TR for DP now actually. What are you taking about? Since when did you scum read me lol? Several times, actually! But people don't read me this game and I think I should not blame them for that. I waffle on you faster than a windshield wiper on full speed What rant are you taking about? I'm just going nuts over here, don't get too worried about it. If you don't like me scum reading you, wait like 5 seconds On March 04 2024 22:02 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 21:42 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 21:41 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:42 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote: Why are you so obsessed with me? I want to know your alignment. Yes, obviously. Anyone else? Man you make me suspect you. Still lynch vivax if by some faerie magic, I am actually elected mayor. Second pick is VE, he has some decent logic on why he would lurker lynch. Dammit, I have to filter you for your questions, don't I? What are you talking about? I was talking to cake here? Yeah and you're being Oats at her.Whatever, flavor means varyIng things to varying flavor. You can't personality read and I should give grave for that to both you and Oats. Got it out of my system. No slam. Cake is legitimately scummy here. 1.) She came into the thread roleplaying and while that in itself is not scummy she also did not contribute anything at all until2.) I try to engage her about her reads and then she instantly calls me mafia and says I am not trying to solve the game which is: a.) objectively untrue and b.) hilariously ironic for someone who had until I had asked her for reads had literally only roleplayed a tea party. 3.) she then says that she was actually playing the game with the role play and in fact was interacting with her town circle. but 4.) Actively avoided engaging with me about her town reads or why they formed much too early in the game to be called a town circle 5.) she was caught as mafia for that exact same reason day 1 last time she was mafia. These points are fair. And I haven't the recollection of last time she was mafia so I will have to cede that to you. Wait What? Literally last game we played together i was mafia o_O Doesn't mean I remember it. I am in a bad divorce that had me thinking about whether I could find a country to do assisted suicide that would notify of my death but not call it a suicide so I could still give my family a life insurance payout. Fortunately I realized how many people that would hurt, and that I was plotting a serious crime to boot. But shit isn't going well at all for slam. So I can't remember jack shit. ^ Why are you here then? Sorry, but seriously. Let's assume youre telling the truth here about not reading Slam has claimed. Let's also assume you have actually read my posts since you're calling me mafia.
The people i consider mafia, at this point, are Palmar, VE, Trfel, possibly DMB and JAT. Not only ALL of those reads are in your possible scum list, and i have also made a case on Slam earlier on in the game. I also agree with all of your town reads.
This doesn't give you ANY PAUSE at all in rayn being mafia? I find it unlike your reads are actually sincere.
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On March 06 2024 13:35 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn lets chat about stuff seeing as we are actually in the thread together for once. I think there is one mafia within DMB and Cake, possibly two. Palmar is still 100% mafia, VE is mafia as well. Jealous maybe mafia, that shit looks so untrue..
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On March 06 2024 13:43 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 13:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 13:35 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn lets chat about stuff seeing as we are actually in the thread together for once. I think there is one mafia within DMB and Cake, possibly two. Palmar is still 100% mafia, VE is mafia as well. Jealous maybe mafia, that shit looks so untrue.. Let's put palmar to the side, because let's face it. we are not going to agree on that. I think DMB over cake right now, I am not sure that Cake would invite dmb to the town circle and then dmb would sus her right back, that seems like a bit of a stretch, plus cakes outrage to teh trfel wagon and in particular the slam town read look really town to me. Im interested about your VE read is that just a lurker lynch? What do you think of sandro lynching trfel a the end, I am assuming you think it is a TvT wagon? Neither of DMB and Cake arent doing anything with their read on each other. Cake likes to talk with her scumbuddies, there is no reason why she wouldn't invite her. DMB can't make a decent read on her scumbuddies. Like if there is anything that made DMB mafia last game was the trash tier read on me.
VE:
i say VE can be completely useless as town and i dont thinkthats necessarily alignment indicative for him. I scumread him because he got angry at my post which should not generate that kind of reaction as it was perfectly neutral post. He always does that because he tries to fake his town anger but it is directed in completely unreasonable places. Aside from that, Palmar's progression on VE is super bad, but it's a bit unfair to call that scummy on VE.
Yeah i think JAT is town.
On March 06 2024 13:44 DarthPunk wrote: Can you tell me why you town read marv so strongly from your mason chat? Was it just a tone read? wasn't really obvious the progression just from your summary. It's really because of him townreading you and not telling you that but telling me it and when he posted reads unprovoked, and they pretty much matched with mine. And the fact he was ACTUALLY playing while whining about not having time to play. Like there are multiple instances where he says he has to leave or has stuff to do and then he just keeps posting and posting and posting and it's all about relevant stuff. Also i would assume mafia marv would want to play in thread more (when he is playing) than in discord, since i can't make people think he is town if he doesnt look town in thread, there are too many strong or influential players who never agree with me, namely you, vivax, koshi, etc..
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On March 06 2024 13:42 CopCake wrote:
Mafia DP Iamp Vivax
this is so bad it deserves to be lynched.
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Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia.
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On March 06 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote: The lack of emotional congruence in your interactions with me is pinging me a bit not going to lie.
This is at rayn. I dont know what that means.
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On March 06 2024 14:01 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 13:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote: The lack of emotional congruence in your interactions with me is pinging me a bit not going to lie.
This is at rayn. I dont know what that means. Like i completely expect you to be furious with me right now. And I understand the reasons you would be mad as town. I know that you hate it when you go to bed with a wagon formed for what you think are good reasons, and then, every time, I come and derail it prior to the deadline. I told you and i told marv i am gonna let you do whatever you do with vivax and koshi. I simply just don't care enough to be angry at you. Trfel was not a bad lynch.
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On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote: Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self. And this matters how if Palmar is town? Why does mafia iamp need to do any of that shit if Palmar is town?
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I probably need to revisit MZ later today when i am home. I have hard time finding more mafia, TTS can be anything i think. No vote more likely means he is just uninterested town.
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Palmar JAT double bus i don't find likely, however not completely out of question.
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On March 06 2024 14:25 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote: Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self. And this matters how if Palmar is town? Why does mafia iamp need to do any of that shit if Palmar is town? Did I post that Palmar is town? No but you should have posted he is mafia if you genuinely think iamp Vivax DP are mafia, because that's the ONLY thing how it makes them mafia.
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On March 06 2024 14:33 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone have a strong read on rels?
Very good push towards Palmar.
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On March 06 2024 14:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I probably need to revisit MZ later today when i am home. I have hard time finding more mafia, TTS can be anything i think. No vote more likely means he is just uninterested town. I mean, i think MZ works on really weird principles and that's why i think his early game looked town. The way he went on the mayor stuff and kept his head while people were telling the stuff he said is stupid.
However i dont think he has been as vocal as i liked, MZ usually tends to make waves (usually getting scumread) but here is none waves at all. Especially when two of the people claimed, i would expect MZ reaction be like iamp x1000. He's surprisingly calm about all that shit.
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On March 06 2024 17:26 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 16:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 16:44 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 16:43 marvellosity wrote: Sigh. I’m just perpetually behind and I’m just tired from getting less sleep for 2 nights
This game is too big for little old me. I remember why I used to only join minis now Yes. I’m mostly slightly annoyed about Hapa. He was probably always going to flip town so we lost one of our biggest advantages in having an extra kill. Yes, there is not a lot to draw from it but we would always have had to deal with this slot somehow. There is probably a lot to gain from the way the day went as is. I will have a detailed look after I read all of it later. If palmar is not mafia then they were coasting thougn. Palmar is definitely mafia though.
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On March 06 2024 16:41 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah I read it in context and it still looks bad. Good work Jake. Looks ike most of the game wants somehow town to lose
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Cake do you townread Palmar?
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On March 06 2024 20:41 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 19:52 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 16:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:The case for Koshi. So I just decided to filter Koshi because he seems to be the very town seeming lynch pin holding the somewhat suspicious town group (MZ/CC in the corner together and very first page of his filter he scum slips hard and nobody notices. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote: I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN HEY? WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN?? Not if Marv flips town when, how do you know Marv’s alignment huh Koshi? On March 04 2024 22:17 Koshi wrote: I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind. But town is also fine.
I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town. Also this type of post always rubs me the wrong way, Oh I’m not mafia tee hee. No pointless bad. Not even a funny “Oh I’m not mafia” just a generic oh damn guys I’m not mafia oh well straight to asking for Mayor. On March 05 2024 01:12 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:09 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote: I am gonna battle rayn. You don't think he is likely town? I havent read anything yet from before I first posted. Masoning marv is leaning town. Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn. That's ok. I will battle him with scumreads. Also early is convinced Rayn is town lack of doubt here is concerning. On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons. This is frankly just semantic game state posting. Keep in mind Koshi entered the thread fairly late (simply due to timezones) there’s a lot to go off and this is what the focus is not scum hunting. On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote: So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote: So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3 BUT OH BOY WE GOT IAMP RAY AND MARV ALL TOWN LOCKED IN THE FIRST PAGE THIS MAN’S PSYCHIC! On March 05 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:39 iamperfection wrote: [quote] i dont think your being smart at all. its a non post imo. You trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill is very suspicious. Why do you think its a non-post? because its basically just banter. Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore. excuse me. What has dmb done better. You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP? And with winning I mean looking pretty townie. man Dp’s also town everyone is town in Koshi land, Please like me guys I’m calling you all town. This said I will point out at this point they do go into a scum read on meatbaby for sowing distrust. Then goes in on TTS but I mean kinda everyone did even if TTS is scum I would bus them so hard if I was on a mafia team with them. On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote: [quote]I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. Then he also thinks Tfrel looks smart but isn’t being helpful. Which isn’t overly suspicious but good to note with the lynch result. On March 05 2024 23:51 Koshi wrote: Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot. I mean not wrong but an easy call to make as mafia if you know they are town. Okay I’ll be honest I got bored and the case kinda fell off but I see you just entered the thread Koshi. Mostly I’m concerned with the first part. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote: I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Scum Slip Koshi? What’s happening here? I think Koshi meant here that he didnt care for the wishperers/mason chats and he has had Marv as town. So when Marv dies then the whisperers chat will have relevance to him. It is not a slip. It definitely isn't. That is a really stupid take tbh. My take or cops take? Because anyone who can't see my take is instantly more suspicious. your
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On March 06 2024 21:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 20:56 DarthPunk wrote: I was just reading before bed but I want to chime in here and say that Jake’s case on koshi says more about Jake’s alignment than koshis.
I don’t see him doing that as mafia at all.
Anyway goodnight. I don't know about that. In my experience mafia really likes to latch onto these kind of things. Reserving judgment for now. DP agreeing with that is far more worrisome. It's simply just how koshi posts.
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Yeah but that's just how Koshi has posted always forever in every single game as town.
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On March 06 2024 21:40 CopCake wrote:I dont think he is town. Its impossible youthink DP is pocketing Palmar if you dont think Palmar is town, if youre town.
So i guess youre mafia.
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On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:Rels: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote: If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote: "I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote: Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote: Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"? Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote: MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote: I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now. No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. This is actually fair point.
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Okay JAT give me 5mins to finish my cigarette and lets be town heroes.
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I alraedy told marv JAT and Rels are town heroes when called palmars dumb say nothing list good, but i take Rels read back cause of that.
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Adding to Meapak:
On March 06 2024 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 14:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I probably need to revisit MZ later today when i am home. I have hard time finding more mafia, TTS can be anything i think. No vote more likely means he is just uninterested town. I mean, i think MZ works on really weird principles and that's why i think his early game looked town. The way he went on the mayor stuff and kept his head while people were telling the stuff he said is stupid. However i dont think he has been as vocal as i liked, MZ usually tends to make waves (usually getting scumread) but here is none waves at all. Especially when two of the people claimed, i would expect MZ reaction be like iamp x1000. He's surprisingly calm about all that shit.
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Adding to palmar from me/marv QT:
"Palmar was trying to buddy sandroba and me, when it didnt work on me he called me mafia WITH marv. His read progression on VE is trash, or like the lack of it."
And earlier:
On March 06 2024 12:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar says its possible mafia rayn masoned mafia marv, that should already be like 100% scum claim.
Palmar claims VE lloks worse does absolutely nothing about it, while VE is his best buddy he is really really really good at reading. scumclaim #2 On first point, that's completely unreasonable thought. Like scum rayn masons scum marv and THEN scum marv masons town sandroba. Never ever in his head the thought of this being ridiculous on all fronts appears.
Second point needs no explaining.
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Tbh i think Rels had a good point on Palmar in his stance on marv, could be a really good read because town or really good read because Palmar was getting lynched at that point (afaik?).
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On March 06 2024 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tbh i think Rels had a good point on Palmar in his stance on marv, could be a really good read because town or really good read because Palmar was getting lynched at that point (afaik?). second thing, bussing ofc.
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On March 06 2024 22:13 justanothertownie wrote:Oats: into Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna give trfel time to play ##unvote ##vote jat Only talking about other people and not about me during the whole time. Ironically something I can see town do way easier than mafia. Oats just does not give a fuck. He is belligerent and annoying but I think the towniest vote on this wagon. Oats is exactly belligerent and annoying as town.
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Actually your last point on Meapak is really really good, unless he thinks Palmar is mafia, which he doesn't, since he voted on the wagon Palmar created.
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I take back my scumread on Jealous a little bit but i still want him to explain why he thinks i am mafia when all my mafia reads are in his scum pool.
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On March 06 2024 22:25 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 21:40 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: why do you* I dont think he is town. Its impossible youthink DP is pocketing Palmar if you dont think Palmar is town, if youre town. So i guess youre mafia. No, i came to that conclusion later. elaborate please.
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On March 06 2024 22:26 justanothertownie wrote: Other wagon(s) will come later. The conclusion from my own is 1 of Rels and Palmar + MZ are likely mafia. Would mean the team was spread out well which is what I expect. I dont find it impossible both Rels and Palmar are mafia. What is rels supposed to do at that point when he made that post about Palmar's behavior on marv if mafia? Palmar just says like "you bad", like why doesn't Palmar argue why that shit is bad if he doesnt even think Rels is mafia?
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On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote: Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self. Why do you say this if you think all of DP/Vivax/iamp are mafia? 1) What does it matter who "has to start the wagon"? 2) why do they have to start a wagon if palmar is town? If palmar is mafia, why are you not calling him mafia, because THATS THE BASIS OF YOUR CASE AGAINST THOSE THREE!!
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On March 06 2024 22:35 Palmar wrote: It's so enjoyable watching rayn hammering someone other than yourself.
Go rayn! youre still scum.
until you explain how in your head mafia rayn masoned mafia marv (1min into the game) masoned town sandroba.
until you tell us why VE is mafia, because he is
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shoo sandroba, JAT is town hero and Palmar is mafia, dont care what marv tells you.
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i mean like he doesnt even think i am town..
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On March 06 2024 22:37 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote: Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self. Why do you say this if you think all of DP/Vivax/iamp are mafia? 1) What does it matter who "has to start the wagon"? 2) why do they have to start a wagon if palmar is town? If palmar is mafia, why are you not calling him mafia, because THATS THE BASIS OF YOUR CASE AGAINST THOSE THREE!! You know how my theory crafting works. That is not like a locked 100% works. yes but human brain works like that. youre building associations here between those people, but you are not building the association of "why" they do that.
it's scummy.
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On March 06 2024 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:37 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote: Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self. Why do you say this if you think all of DP/Vivax/iamp are mafia? 1) What does it matter who "has to start the wagon"? 2) why do they have to start a wagon if palmar is town? If palmar is mafia, why are you not calling him mafia, because THATS THE BASIS OF YOUR CASE AGAINST THOSE THREE!! You know how my theory crafting works. That is not like a locked 100% works. yes but human brain works like that. youre building associations here between those people, but you are not building the association of "why" they do that. it's scummy. i mean like you are supposedly in your head building an association of how DP/Vivax/iamp schemed the end of D1. But you're not for some reason building the association of why they would ever in this game do that.
The only reasonable thought that should appear is to save Palmar for being lynched, yet that doesn't appear to you. Like it's literally the only reason why those three, as mafia, would ever do that shit they did at the EoD1.
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On March 06 2024 22:45 CopCake wrote: That is how events happened
Then
Palmar came and asked questions, cc tried to see his view but palmar failed horribly.
what did palmar fail in?
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sandroba, if Vivax is mafia this game, then marv is also mafia.
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On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote: I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn jat rels mz tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax trfel hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp marv jealous copcake slam ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro oats dp dmb jls koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. Whoever likes this post as for Palmar townie points, is stupid.
This post has something for everyone, everyone can be happy about something in this post, and it literally says nothing at all. Even the Trfel townread is not a townread really.
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On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote: And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
You didnt call Palmar mafia when you called DP/vivax/iamp mafia originally.
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On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote: I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn jat rels mz tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax trfel hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp marv jealous copcake slam ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro oats dp dmb jls koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. where is your case on vivax?
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WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING CASE ON VIVAX, PALMAR?
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On March 06 2024 22:55 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote: And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
You didnt call Palmar mafia when you called DP/vivax/iamp mafia originally. Because i wrote the names of the people who caught my eye the most. So now answer me. Do I throw my scummates, yes or not? yes
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On March 06 2024 22:57 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:55 sandroba wrote:On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote: And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
I am GOOD SCUM, I do not make MISTAKES like that, I always try to save my scumates, remember how pissed I got at GB once?
Do you remember how I fuck up hard for trying to save rels when we were mafia together? I convinced HF not to lynch Rels.
You can absolutely acuse me of being ilogical but NEVER of bussing my teams just because.
And this, at least, vivax and marv needs to agree.
And rels.
And GB.
And anyone who has been mafia with me.
Scummy defense tbh, hinges on the premise of palmar is mafia. I've seen mafia due this many times, claiming the team you have them on can't be right because of x y z. I am not your normal scum player. It is ironic but I make more sense as mafia than town. You dont also say the wall is green after i painted it with black as town either.
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On March 06 2024 22:58 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:55 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote: And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
You didnt call Palmar mafia when you called DP/vivax/iamp mafia originally. Because i wrote the names of the people who caught my eye the most. So now answer me. Do I throw my scummates, yes or not? yes You are just mafia then. I dont understand?
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On March 06 2024 23:01 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:58 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:55 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote: And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
You didnt call Palmar mafia when you called DP/vivax/iamp mafia originally. Because i wrote the names of the people who caught my eye the most. So now answer me. Do I throw my scummates, yes or not? yes You are just mafia then. I dont understand? You know I dont do that. Well first of all, you havedone so, in the game with GB and that other guy who was very annoying. Second point, you arent doing that here. Because youre not really scumreading Palmar while being scumreading him.
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What is your read on DMB, Cake, detailed please?
JAT, how sure you are DMB is town? Why? I know you posted what you did but i don't really see the town there.
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On March 06 2024 23:22 justanothertownie wrote: But apart from that I don't think her filter looks that bad. I dont think there is much anything in her filter D1...
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How can anyone who is town think Trfel played this game like last game????
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So basically both Cake and DMB think DP is mafia, but also both of them scumread each other (but not really scumread).. Notice they are the ONLY people in this game to think DP is mafia.
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On March 06 2024 23:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can anyone who is town think Trfel played this game like last game???? Noone, obviously. But I understood it more like she acknowledged that but still did not want to lynch him because he could potentially play like that and she did not think he played like mafia (maybe I am misremembering?). Which now that I think about it could indeed be tmi. Not really feeling it though. yes you are definitely misremembering, she only voted for you because trfel oh so town.
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On March 06 2024 11:06 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip I don't see it. Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town Is that a stretch though, could be ESL What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it Can you read? I didn´t say JAT is Town i just said I am not happy with both wagons. Should I waste my vote. Did it in my first game. OPEN YOU EYES AND READ CORRECTLY PLS You literally said that DP is searching for a reasonable town lynch when referring to him talking about his wagon. Lol this is hilarious yeah he changed his vote so often and tried to push people to his new vote decision. Still did I never say that JAT is Town for me just not my prefering lynch and Trfl will defently not get a vote he seems a little bit townisch to me for now And both wagons pushed by the same person scares me even more. I just hate lynch 1. Usless investment of time because we always get it wrong anyways. Lynch 2 is fucking importend.
On March 06 2024 11:09 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:02 Vivax wrote: You will go back to this game and wonder how I caught Trfel so easily when your moms were still pregnant with you.
The busts of my visage will be available duty free. Did you read the last game with Trfl as a good Townie and compare it do this game. Seems pretty much the same to me.
On March 06 2024 11:35 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote: Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this. I called dp mafia... I was to lazy to quote and stuff and two sentences wasn´t enough for oats and Dp. I am not happy with both wagons (both pushed by dp) and I still voted one of the two wagons But I shouldn´t because not wasting my vote makes me scummy.
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On March 06 2024 23:33 CopCake wrote: And I also white knightef Tfrel and I have no shame to say that.
Me and dmb probably only disagreed in our men.
She is pro vivax I am/was pro rayn Yet neither of you did absolutely nothing to get your common scumread DP lynched and you both "scumread" each other.
Looks fucking fishy to me.
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On March 06 2024 23:34 iamperfection wrote: Cop might just be dumb. I felt like dmb knew trfels alignment ignored me multiple times when I said the play was different. Trfel themselves admitted they were playing bad
yes i am more sure of dmb being mafia here, but cake still said: 1) vivax/dp/iamp changed the lynch from palmar (for no reason as mafia) 2) dp pocketed palmar (and palmar is not town)
it does not sit well with me. i just cant wrap my head around it...
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On March 06 2024 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 23:34 iamperfection wrote: Cop might just be dumb. I felt like dmb knew trfels alignment ignored me multiple times when I said the play was different. Trfel themselves admitted they were playing bad
yes i am more sure of dmb being mafia here, but cake still said: 1) vivax/dp/iamp changed the lynch from palmar (for no reason as mafia) 2) dp pocketed palmar (and palmar is not town) it does not sit well with me. i just cant wrap my head around it... i dont understand how she is trying to explain this now (she has), if someone can read that to me so i can understand it it would be really nice.
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On March 06 2024 23:39 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 23:34 iamperfection wrote: Cop might just be dumb. I felt like dmb knew trfels alignment ignored me multiple times when I said the play was different. Trfel themselves admitted they were playing bad
yes i am more sure of dmb being mafia here, but cake still said: 1) vivax/dp/iamp changed the lynch from palmar (for no reason as mafia) 2) dp pocketed palmar (and palmar is not town) it does not sit well with me. i just cant wrap my head around it... i dont understand how she is trying to explain this now (she has), if someone can read that to me so i can understand it it would be really nice. You just dont want to understand. 🫨 that's just wrong. im the fucking best town player in this game with JAT even if i am wrong on you and those plebs almost lynched him.
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On March 06 2024 23:44 iamperfection wrote: Ve doing the bare minimum even though he has a precious flip now. He's also doing this unnecessary rage thing again here:
On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!??
not as clear as the post below (which he did couple of games ago), but still, there is absolutely no reason for him to get mad at me for something he accepts doing himself. Basically he is scum because he got angry at my post which should not generate that kind of reaction as it was perfectly neutral post. He always does that because he tries to fake his town anger but it is directed in completely unreasonable places.
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/609557-tl-endures-mafia?page=104#2072
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On March 06 2024 23:59 Vivax wrote: Rels, MZ, Palmar, Jealous, VE
Cop wants in. Good working hypothesis? How sure you are of DMB not being mafia, because she looks very mafia to me as well. and why?
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On March 07 2024 00:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: i mean like he doesnt even think i am town.. Not what I said. x that's what i read though
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On March 07 2024 00:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 23:59 Vivax wrote: Rels, MZ, Palmar, Jealous, VE
Cop wants in. Good working hypothesis? How sure you are of DMB not being mafia, because she looks very mafia to me as well. and why? Not at all. I think she always looks scummy on a surface level but her being so stubborn about DP makes me think town. Its just not worth it to pursue that as scum. Why does she scumread Cake when Cake is the only other person ever in this game to scumread DP?
Also her read on me is shit. I can understand people thinking i am mafia, but i don't understand that shit she is saying.
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we need to do this during night because koshi and dp are gonna throw, at least vivax is coming around
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On March 07 2024 00:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 00:08 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 23:59 Vivax wrote: Rels, MZ, Palmar, Jealous, VE
Cop wants in. Good working hypothesis? How sure you are of DMB not being mafia, because she looks very mafia to me as well. and why? Not at all. I think she always looks scummy on a surface level but her being so stubborn about DP makes me think town. Its just not worth it to pursue that as scum. Why does she scumread Cake when Cake is the only other person ever in this game to scumread DP? Also her read on me is shit. I can understand people thinking i am mafia, but i don't understand that shit she is saying. You are looking for someone to make sense as town who enjoys chaos and not making sense in the first place. A bit like me. But I can flip around and try to make sense if the situation requires it. i looked at her reads on me in previous games, mirroring them to this dont make sense to me. if she has some new "meta" from our scumgame, it might make sense, but she's not saying any of that sort.
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On March 07 2024 00:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:35 Palmar wrote: It's so enjoyable watching rayn hammering someone other than yourself.
Go rayn! youre still scum. until you explain how in your head mafia rayn masoned mafia marv (1min into the game) masoned town sandroba. until you tell us why VE is mafia, because he is You see, I understand this is a stretch for you but I am capable of holding multiple options in my head at any moment. We had this argument last game as well, where you were mafia trying to hammer me for exactly the same logic. I do not make associative readsSo, I can think at some point that marv is mafia, and I can independently think you are mafia, and even if I agree that it's unlikely you'd do a stunt like that, that doesn't change my individual conclusions. Now I'm not even sure marv is mafia, hell I'm not even sure you're mafia, I really liked you going after copcake just now. Remember, we HAD THIS ARGUMENT last game, and you were the mafia and I was the town there. I do not make associative reads and I do not care about links like this. I just individually consider players and accept that sometimes I'm wrong. If marv is scum and you're town, that makes the mason thing suddenly not weird at all, same with the other direction, could just be a stunt you pull. It really doesn't matter to me, that's not how I think about the game. Also I kinda agree VE has fallen off a cliff in my opinion. I kinda wrote him off and haven't filter dived him mostly for that tonal read that he was enjoying himself, but since then he has stopped enjoying playing... so... that no longer applies? this is not an associative read in normal sense. it's similar to you calling slam 100% town for masoning you last game.
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On March 07 2024 00:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote: I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn jat rels mz tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax trfel hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp marv jealous copcake slam ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro oats dp dmb jls koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. Whoever likes this post as for Palmar townie points, is stupid. This post has something for everyone, everyone can be happy about something in this post, and it literally says nothing at all. Even the Trfel townread is not a townread really. I mean that post can be ignored, it's already out of date. I was just going to sleep and had no idea if town would swing back around on me, so I wanted to summarize how I felt about the game in case I flipped. It was not out of date when you posted it.
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On March 07 2024 00:31 marvellosity wrote: He coloured Hapa all green which I think is a super ballsy move if he’s mafia that's the only townie thing i found in that post.
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On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote: So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
fite me!
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On March 07 2024 00:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote: So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
fite me! Gonna explain why you think I'm mafia without reading me filter? I have read enough.
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Vivax point is not important, it just came to my head when i quoted your post to show how that list post is not townie.
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At least the parts i base my read on you.
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On March 07 2024 00:39 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax point is not important, it just came to my head when i quoted your post to show how that list post is not townie. I find it important. Also if it's not important, why all the caps? because in the heat of the moment i thought it is important.
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On March 07 2024 00:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least the parts i base my read on you. Which parts are those?
On March 06 2024 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Adding to palmar from me/marv QT: "Palmar was trying to buddy sandroba and me, when it didnt work on me he called me mafia WITH marv. His read progression on VE is trash, or like the lack of it."And earlier: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar says its possible mafia rayn masoned mafia marv, that should already be like 100% scum claim.
Palmar claims VE lloks worse does absolutely nothing about it, while VE is his best buddy he is really really really good at reading. scumclaim #2 On first point, that's completely unreasonable thought. Like scum rayn masons scum marv and THEN scum marv masons town sandroba. Never ever in his head the thought of this being ridiculous on all fronts appears. Second point needs no explaining.
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I entirely dislike your read "progression" on VE, and i think it makes you mafia.
I entirely dislike that you even have a thought in your head at any point of the game that me and marv are mafia together (which you had as per your posts). And i think it makes you mafia.
Rels made a good point about your stance on marv's scumread on you. Maybe Rels is mafia with you as JAT thinks, but nevertheless it's a good point, you just shrug it off like it's nothing. And people buy that shit from you.
JAT makes a good point about your case on him. Your thinking is not coherent there, as it is not in other cases as well above. I think it also makes you mafia.
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On March 07 2024 00:47 Palmar wrote:
The second point about VE is also kinda weird. I have had a change of heart about VE, but he was never my primary scumread yesterday, I just mentioned that him falling off a cliff made him look worse. Why do you care so much about my read on VE? I've arguably said more about VE than I've said about for example iamp or dmb or Rels. because youre super good at reading VE
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On March 07 2024 00:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I entirely dislike your read "progression" on VE, and i think it makes you mafia.
Let's break this down. I initially made a tone read on VE and explained that it was mostly that, along with some theorycrafting, shitting on people using unccd as a thing. That latter part is NAI but whatever. The second time I talked about him I mentioned him looking a little worse, and then I made another post about him and Trfel needing to step up. I feel like this makes perfect sense given VE's lack of activity in the later parts of D1 And now during the night I said he's fallen off a cliff, which I kinda think is a fair characterization of his play. What's the problem with this? I admit, he's not been a primary investigative target of mine, but I don't think I've said anything weird. So did you or did you not read VE's fliter?
Because you have basically claimed to follow the thread with ctrl+f palmar on people's filter?
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On March 07 2024 00:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I entirely dislike that you even have a thought in your head at any point of the game that me and marv are mafia together (which you had as per your posts). And i think it makes you mafia.
Again, I understand you disliking it, but now that I've reminded you that these kind of associative reads don't really matter to me as town, doesn't that change your stance? so do you think it is 1% possible mafia rayn masoned mafia marv masoned town sandroba?
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On March 07 2024 01:01 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 00:52 Palmar wrote:On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I entirely dislike your read "progression" on VE, and i think it makes you mafia.
Let's break this down. I initially made a tone read on VE and explained that it was mostly that, along with some theorycrafting, shitting on people using unccd as a thing. That latter part is NAI but whatever. The second time I talked about him I mentioned him looking a little worse, and then I made another post about him and Trfel needing to step up. I feel like this makes perfect sense given VE's lack of activity in the later parts of D1 And now during the night I said he's fallen off a cliff, which I kinda think is a fair characterization of his play. What's the problem with this? I admit, he's not been a primary investigative target of mine, but I don't think I've said anything weird. So did you or did you not read VE's fliter? Because you have basically claimed to follow the thread with ctrl+f palmar on people's filter? Did not. Opened it, skimmed a little, but no I didn't read his filter. Obviously that ctrl+f thing is a hyperbole with a tiny bit of truth in it Well you scumread me, why does my read on VE that was well known hold no significance to you?
On March 07 2024 01:01 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 00:56 Palmar wrote:On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I entirely dislike that you even have a thought in your head at any point of the game that me and marv are mafia together (which you had as per your posts). And i think it makes you mafia.
Again, I understand you disliking it, but now that I've reminded you that these kind of associative reads don't really matter to me as town, doesn't that change your stance? so do you think it is 1% possible mafia rayn masoned mafia marv masoned town sandroba? I don't think about the game that way and refuse to have this argument again with you. everyone does, always.
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Does anyone else in the game think mafia rayn masoned mafia marv and either had all those discussions in the discord chat or doctored it?
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On March 07 2024 01:08 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Does anyone else in the game think mafia rayn masoned mafia marv and either had all those discussions in the discord chat or doctored it? No, but I am not sure that's a helpful avenue right now. It very sure is because Palmar at the time seems to have that thought.
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"Here is a post where there is something for everyone to be happy about"- Palmar
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That's good i am alive tomorrow.
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iamp where is your head at at the moment?
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On March 07 2024 01:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:07 justanothertownie wrote: But I will say everyone who is actually invested in this game right now gets some bonus point from me when compared to the MZs, Rels, VEs & TTS of this world. Calling yourself invested is a great joke terrible
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On March 07 2024 01:40 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: iamp where is your head at at the moment? On the top of my neck. But I feel like I've talked to much as it is I'll have to recollect my thoughts. Feel good about ve as scum marv has given me tingles but I could be paranoid I'll leave it at that. i dont think marv is mafia, similar to what you think of me of masoning him, he would never mason sandroba as mafia i think. especially since i literally masoned him 1 minutes into the game, and he was not around, i dont think he'd do that.
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less likely than that i would mason marv as mafia.
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On March 07 2024 01:48 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: less likely than that i would mason marv as mafia. Was his decision to mason Sandro talked about in your discord don't remember from your summary At least he has told me he masoned sandroba, sand can prolly confirm. We didn't talk about why he did so, i assumed it's a townie thing so i didn't care as i already town read sandroba.
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On March 07 2024 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: This Palmar rayn thing is boring I know right, one is super scum and one is super town
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seems like i actually masoned marv -3 minutes into the game
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On March 07 2024 02:16 Oatsmaster wrote:The “when did marv Mason Sandro” line its a genuine question.
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On March 07 2024 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus Why are you playing like mafia rn?
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Jacob comes off as really really townie on all fronts
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iamp is also 1001% town, so what are you doing Oats?
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On March 07 2024 02:37 CopCake wrote: Like I said, the only suspicious thing of DMB is not questioning vivax’s claim. does it make her mafia or why do you need to put emphasis on this?
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summon Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax!
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On March 07 2024 02:40 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 02:37 CopCake wrote: Like I said, the only suspicious thing of DMB is not questioning vivax’s claim. does it make her mafia or why do you need to put emphasis on this? Is the only reason I am not having her town 100% and an invitation to tell me if I am wrong on that or not. Why shouldnt I point it out? I think I have been firm on who I find scummy. I am not throwing shade or anything. you have pointed it out, you dont need to point it out anymore unless you think it makes her mafia.
anyways i had a talk with marv and i dont think youre scum so... doesnt matter too much. it just bothers me
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Cake for some reason calls DMB "dumb" idk why.
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On March 07 2024 02:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jacob comes off as really really townie on all fronts Explain?? All of that shit where he says he has never been lynched as town and makes a case on himself. That Koshi case is also townie for him i think, if anyone DP looks like shit there when agreeing with him and not telling him the real deal.
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I am gonna say it now if there is mafia hiding it is DP. Palmar, VE, Meapak, DMB, maybe Jealous. If not one of those it's either TTS or DP, and i think afking completely is a shit thing as mafia, so i dont think TTS is mafia.
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I know i am a bit shit for pushing Palmar and VE so hard for associative thing, but there is not simply any other choice here for mafia.
Unless Vivax is mafia which makes marv mafia as well.
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But i have reasons to think both Palmar and VE are mafia, the association just strengthens it.
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On March 07 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna say it now if there is mafia hiding it is DP. Palmar, VE, Meapak, DMB, maybe Jealous. If not one of those it's either TTS or DP, and i think afking completely is a shit thing as mafia, so i dont think TTS is mafia. forgot Rels. Rels can be mafia, but only if Palmar is mafia, so basically he can be mafia.
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Slam is never ever mafia and anyone who still thinks he is mafia after the claim should die even if they are town.
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On March 07 2024 02:54 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna say it now if there is mafia hiding it is DP. Palmar, VE, Meapak, DMB, maybe Jealous. If not one of those it's either TTS or DP, and i think afking completely is a shit thing as mafia, so i dont think TTS is mafia. forgot Rels. Rels can be mafia, but only if Palmar is mafia, so basically he can be mafia. Whys that rels pushed palmar good. jat pointed out why could be a push by mafia. i conclude it makes no sense for rels to do what he did in jat's case as mafia unless he is mafia exactly with palmar (pushed when palmar was gonna get lynched -> voted jat WITH palmar later and trfel flips town, those are the three wagons)
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jat's case was actually good, on rels i mean.
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On March 06 2024 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tbh i think Rels had a good point on Palmar in his stance on marv, could be a really good read because town or really good read because Palmar was getting lynched at that point (afaik?).
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On March 06 2024 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tbh i think Rels had a good point on Palmar in his stance on marv, could be a really good read because town or really good read because Palmar was getting lynched at that point (afaik?). second thing, bussing ofc.
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On March 07 2024 03:07 justanothertownie wrote: Both of those snapshots also look more town driven than coming from mafia in my opinion:
die_meatbaby (3): Oatsmaster, sandroba, DarthPunk Palmar (5) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Trfel yes all town there!
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On March 07 2024 03:07 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 02:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jacob comes off as really really townie on all fronts Explain?? All of that shit where he says he has never been lynched as town and makes a case on himself. That Koshi case is also townie for him i think, if anyone DP looks like shit there when agreeing with him and not telling him the real deal. I don’t understand how he thinks koshis thing is a scumslip while dmbs thing wasn’t to him because he went to read koshi's filter, i dont think he has read dmb's filter.
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hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter. i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer.
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actually reading p5-6 in jacob's filter i can see him being mafia.
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On March 07 2024 03:12 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know i am a bit shit for pushing Palmar and VE so hard for associative thing, but there is not simply any other choice here for mafia.
Unless Vivax is mafia which makes marv mafia as well. Funny because you just used ‚would I mason marv?‘ argument. Now you invalidated in on your own. And you habe to listen to ‚would I fakeclaim JK‘ which has already been discusser idk what youre saying?
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i have never said i definitely would not mason marv as mafia.
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On March 07 2024 03:15 Vivax wrote: doesn‘t mason town marv* i never said that, i was arguing palmar is mafia because he even entertained the thought of MAFIA rayn masoning MAFIA marv like this.
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Like when Palmar was calling marv mafia, he was also calling me mafia (after he first tried to buddy me). It's completely 0% chance mafia rayn masons mafia marv, yet palmar never entertains that thought after even having our mason chat out in the open.
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On March 07 2024 03:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 03:15 Vivax wrote: doesn‘t mason town marv* i never said that, i was arguing palmar is mafia because he even entertained the thought of MAFIA rayn masoning MAFIA marv like this. Lol I did that too. What‘s not to like about such a plan. i wouldnt put it past you thinking i would do that... i have no energy though explaining why i wouldnt. if you think i am mafia with marv fine. any decent player shouldnt though.
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On March 07 2024 03:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 03:17 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 03:15 Vivax wrote: doesn‘t mason town marv* i never said that, i was arguing palmar is mafia because he even entertained the thought of MAFIA rayn masoning MAFIA marv like this. Lol I did that too. What‘s not to like about such a plan. i wouldnt put it past you thinking i would do that... i have no energy though explaining why i wouldnt. if you think i am mafia with marv fine. any decent player shouldnt though. I entertained the thought but I think he‘s town and you aren‘t. You already tried saying you wouldn‘t mason town marv as mafia in mid D1. Naked and heavily armed, remember ? i probably wouldnt, i dont know if i absolutely wouldnt. i dont care if you think i am mafia for this though, its not that i can do anything about it anyways.
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On March 07 2024 03:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 03:23 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 03:17 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 03:15 Vivax wrote: doesn‘t mason town marv* i never said that, i was arguing palmar is mafia because he even entertained the thought of MAFIA rayn masoning MAFIA marv like this. Lol I did that too. What‘s not to like about such a plan. i wouldnt put it past you thinking i would do that... i have no energy though explaining why i wouldnt. if you think i am mafia with marv fine. any decent player shouldnt though. I entertained the thought but I think he‘s town and you aren‘t. You already tried saying you wouldn‘t mason town marv as mafia in mid D1. Naked and heavily armed, remember ? i probably wouldnt, i dont know if i absolutely wouldnt. i dont care if you think i am mafia for this though, its not that i can do anything about it anyways. Give me one good reason you don‘t give a shit about what Jealous posted. I give a lots of shit what Jealous posted? I am questioning his post atm.
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On March 06 2024 13:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:19 Jealous wrote:Okay I had like 51 more tabs with quotes up but fuck it, this post is already too bloated as is. All reads are shitty D1 reads, shitty for obvious reasons (not much concrete info to work with). Definitely some reads that I am probably getting wrong because I haven't played with many of you and have not played many games here period so I have to interpret how others are reacting to that poster's behavior (ex: Alakaslam is just schizoposting but that seems to be NAI for them based on how little attention it is getting). Also, I know this isn't saying much given basic probability and etc., but the majority of interactions/slapfights/finger-pointing felt very TvT to me. Anyway: 1) raynpelikoneet - Hard to have a strong scum lean at the moment but rayn's behavior isn’t not mafia!rayn from what I can tell/my experience. I certainly don’t think he should be bailed out by other posters whose conduct I was unimpressed with, like CopCake. Seeing other people I am more confident in believing to be town having the same impression has helped me feel a bit more confident in my gut read here. Having played and successfully read rayn as scum in the past, this feels a lot like that time. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 06 2024 00:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: i mean anyone who thinks iamp is mafia has to be either fucking insane or mafia. Which means you should be casing DP instead of playing the drama queen which you are not doing. Which is why you are within your scumrange. ^ Agreed, even though I also agree with rayn that iamp is not mafia. Seems like a pocket attempt to me. On March 05 2024 06:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable. Dumbest thing I read. Slam is more reasonable? Ok rayn. ^ Agreed with Koshi on this. “Slam is more reasonable” is not what I’m seeing in this game. On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote: [quote] No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. ^ Did not like these posts from rayn at all. “Look at my stats guys, c’mon, I’m town.” Then blathers on about so much stuff that is barely relevant as if this is Chapter 12 in a long saga of some sort and not isolated incidents/games. 2) Oatsmaster - Don't feel too strongly about it; I didn't find their early posts to be all that bad. Some of the later unsubstantiated reads/posts, not as much; they kinda rubbed me the wrong way, like a person trying to deflect attention from themselves onto someone else. + Show Spoiler [Example] +On March 05 2024 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Thinking about it more, that dmb list is terrible 3) DarthPunk - Probably one of my strongest town reads at the moment. Was pushing the game forward from the very start, and in general I find myself agreeing with his reads on others. Spends time and effort reviewing his reads/tunnels on others, updates his reads publicly and without prompting at times. The concern I have is that he could be just a smart + experienced mafia who is doing a good job of looking townie, but I guess time will tell. Some posts of theirs I liked: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:01 DarthPunk wrote:OK having just read Jacob's filter from this game and his last town game, gun to my head I would probably say town, he is posting 'freely' and there are a few times he volunteered reads + Show Spoiler +On March 04 2024 18:01 JacobStrangelove wrote: Okay I'm backish, currently sick so I may drop out for a few hours at a time to just sleep shits exhausting.
It's totally within DP's Meta to be question presuring and smug but as I said before I'm not going to think about him for a good while otherwise we'll get another JSL v TTT event.
Slam is interesting. I'm using all my power to not instantly Cheziu vote them.
Ray always seems like the most reasonable person ever to me but this might be because I don't think I've ever been in a ray scum game. This said I would vote for them for Mayor behind myself.
Cake Cop's gender identity has thrown my read of them entirely off which is strange I didn't realise it would do that I'll have to start reading them again.
I'm not sure who it was but someone came into the thread and was like hey three pages and no votes bah but then in the vote thread doesn't seem to have voted either. On March 05 2024 08:38 JacobStrangelove wrote:Okay I've been reading for like an hour and only up to page 55 but oh boy was it a "Fun" night. this is just up to 55 haven't seen anything after that. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote: Moving Oats to town. I thought he spammed too much at the time and his question to the host felt like something he could have done in PM land but the fact he felt the same way about JS looking scummish early probably means we think more alike than not.
So I‘m at:
Town: DP, Rayn, Oats, TTS Good nulls : Marv Null/need to read more: MZ, cop, Slam Bad nulls: VE, Sandroba Mafia: Trfel Okay I'll just open up replies of interest from when I was sleeping and then combine them all later it might look a bit discombobulated. Do you still think I'm scummish? If so where am I on the list? Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand the case Vivax, can you sum it up? Yeah I'm not seeing Sando being bad from this either she was like exactly I changed my mind. Seemed town in play as far as I could tell. (following up with later posts sando being in mason with marv and not being seen as scum by marv is also good) Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi is trying too hard to do his “I’m so town look at me stuff” I also did get this impression a bit but I might be biased by last game Koshi being mafia, speaking of I voted for him to see if he got pouty about it. Which they did a very small amount but not sure if alignment indicitive nessesarally. (follow up now that I've read to page 55 both my very slight town reads are voting VE and then Rayn just started mentioning voting VE so I would be happy to "sheep", that said I wasn't super impressed but I know I have a massive cognative bais against Koshi. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:13 Vivax wrote: I have been thinking a bit about it and believe that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of me claiming Jailkeeper on D1.
That‘s basically the only reason I want to be mayor.
I think that with half the day over we‘re far enough in the phase to have gathered who else was keen on the mayor spot without having the role to justify it. Honestly wtf how? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 02:39 marvellosity wrote: Vivax is town but I don’t trust his lynch target if he gets elected.
Slam there is no point doing anything with. Let mafia deal with him and if he’s alive in X days revisit it. Vivax is prob role-blocked and killed however now if not elected. If elected we are probably tying up a possible rb on him forever. Either way we lost one protective role for town, but now we have to think about how to minimize the damage or make the best situation out of it. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote: I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. Okay I see the logic of tying up a role block forever on him but... if mafia (although I find it almost certain he isn't) I feel like I would prefer a strong town later. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:37 iamperfection wrote: Copcake goes up several town tiers for borderline cheating This is kinda fair. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:03 CopCake wrote: I think that Vivax is angry because he claimed and he might lose mayor so he is going to die at night.
And if he doesnt die, then he fake claimed.
Because why would mafia lose an opportunity like that, right?
I don't feel mafia vivax would do this without this much pressure like don't get me wrong that's actually a play I can see someone making or... I could see someone convinced into by their scum team but I don't know if they would have used jailkeeper for that claim and also what about counterclaim risks as mafia? No I think vivax is town. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:11 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote: I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Eh, let them decide. It is far from shitting up the thread. If that bothers you, you should be shouting me down honestly. It bothers me that marv kinda forced the sandroba read on us because "mason stuff". Really bad going forward to approach it like that. Ehh was already reading sandro as pretty town. Think the mason hate is weird. Anyway will disapear again until I catch up from page 55 On March 05 2024 09:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:15 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 05:14 die_meatbaby wrote: @copcake my tea is getting cold and I ate already a lot of the hand baked biscuits.I am waiting for you to tell me the real tea about you that I should know. I hope I didn't bake this exquisite pastry for the wrong person. What is this the newest issue of modern grandma Found this really funny, not helpful I know but I like it. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote: I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. What is Rayn's Scum range I probably need to know. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:38 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 05:34 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote: I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. So you thinks it's possible scum rayn masoned marv willingly We don't even know what marv is. Besides, why shouldn't he? It's like you think masoning marv is equal to running naked and heavily armed into a military encampment. I mean if Marv was town quite possibly but not for a player like Ray who while I've only seen the town play but I know it's strong and strong early which is why if town being mayor would be an advantage compared to say dp who's town game is only strong later. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:57 Vivax wrote: I am waiting for JS to offer a behind the scenes picture of what‘s really happening in that marv sandro rayn masonry After a day like this my night post is going to be glorious. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote: I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^ If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there. 0 fucks would be given. Great way to not end up as mayor. Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at page 36 and too angry to continue. But town: iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor. dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way. Vivax I like him MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way Null Oats Mafia DMB because bad start TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe. marv because he can die Okay are you avoiding me specifically or really have no opinion even a null one? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:16 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch. Pretty scummy, I pledge to make my personal lynch a scum lynch. Much better platform. This is funny and as marv says funny palmer is mafia. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote: I think Koshi is super townie here.
Also I am going to unvote cake.
##unvote WHY what? *takes deep breath and decides not to tunnel DP again. Would you be able to explain why you are unvoting cake please. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 07:29 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote DarthPunk lol why? youre mafia. gn. Love this. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? I mean after seeing you unvote cake... Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. This said good looking post, as sad as it is maybe it's worth keeping vivax alive. I did like him before he roll claimed tbh seemed townish which is why it baffled me all the more that he felt presured enough to claim. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote: The fact that vivax claimed when he did is arguably bad, but now that he HAS claimed, it is just worse to not make him NK immune by voting him for mayor.
otherwise he will just get NK this night, and we lose a confirmed town.
So someone explain to me why I am the idiot in this situation? You know mayors can get lynched right bud Are we lynching vivax marv? You miss my point. You elect a nut job who kills stupid people or makes stupid decision. Or you elect someone v likely town who might actually hit mafia, and In case you elected mafia after all you can still lynch them later But I can also see this point as well. Difficult.... I'm conflicted right now. when he didn't have to this game which was also a notable trait in his last town game. Activity metrics are comparable to his town play and the posting style is quite similar. The only thing that gives me pause is his treatment of me as confirmed town from the get-go, and not wanting to lynch his top scum read over lurkers. These are big reasons to be worried but if his activity stays on track and he doesn't contribute to actively trying to find mafia later then yeet him, but I don't want to lynch him today. His latest posting is really weird, but he posted some out there shit in his last town game to so meh. ^ Example of effort-posting/pushing the game forward. Could be seen as a slight waffle maybe, but I at least get what they are saying and their thought process here. On March 05 2024 05:27 DarthPunk wrote: I tend to like the town circle for now.
The only one I’m really afraid of being mafia in that lot is Rayn
I think mz looked wayyyy better recently so I’m moving him to town for now.
Cake still looks bad.
Koshi looks townie to me. He has that level of arrogance that I felt was missing in his mafia game. I also sensed he was genuinely butthurt at not being in the town circle which I found hilarious but also townie.
Rels makes sense, he is wayyyy less aggressive than I remember but that is old old meta.
^ I agree with this to the extent that is possible given my knowledge. Another reason I’m in the DP = town camp, because their thinking aligns with my own and I’m town, more or less. 4) Vivax - Basically have to operate on the assumption that they are town at this point, if they are mafia then I don't know shit about fuck and probably shouldn't be playing forum mafia in general. Also similar reasons to DP. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +Some posts of theirs I like: On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote: I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. ^ Even though I don't necessarily agree with it, I think that going against someone who has been supporting you [as far as I recall, it's been a lot of posts] is pretty townie. On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. ^ I don’t see a rayn/iamp/Vivax team as a possibility so measured posts like this one look pretty good to me, like a townie trying to make sure they don’t over-tunnel. 5) sandroba - Similar arguments as for DP, more or less. + Show Spoiler [Why?] + On March 06 2024 05:57 sandroba wrote: I dunno Palmar feels very off after digesting for a bit. It's not normal that he buddies up to me so quickly, even if he agrees with my takes. If I had been insanely active I could see it, but here it seems he is trying to pocket me. He even exaggerates the fact that I backed off of him and started acting like I suddenly see him as town. The tone he entered the thread in general feels very different as well. It looks more like d4 reasonable palmar after raport has been built and he has a stronger grasp of people's possible alignment than d1 palmar who is more skeptical and has some plan.
^ Not gonna keep reiterating it but posts like these look townie to me. Pointing out inconsistencies in behavior, not letting themselves be pocketed when in theory they might not mind it, doing so unprompted, etc. Can obv. be smart mafia but idk, just feels organic to me. On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. ^ Not as thoroughly convinced as them but this is more townie behavior from sandroba IMO. 6) Trfel - I would appreciate people pointing out exactly what was so bad about their conduct on D1 because I'm not seeing it, though to be fair they have been less active for a bit and it's been dozens of pages since I read something they wrote and I caught up in one big chunk. 7) marvellosity - Have mostly been able to follow along with their reasoning even if I don’t agree with all of their reads IIRC. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote: I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Hard to explain why but I trust this in the context of their other interactions and how their reads on others don’t align IIRC, hopefully one of my later saved quotes elaborates on this. This reads like two townies to me and I’m willing to believe marv’s story and gut here based on their other conduct. 8) Jealous - I am VT. 9) Meapak_Ziphh - Active and seems to be pushing the game forward IMO, find myself agreeing with their analysis of other players. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +On March 05 2024 13:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:41 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 09:55 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 09:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this. I lost track, what do you think about CopCake? I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows. Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't. This said the Cop case def wasn't meta. On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better This is a great post. ##vote: Oats Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason? Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake. Dude, make a case on me. I made a case on you two pages ago and after you were mad at me for not addressing my issues with you, you didn't even bother with what I wrote which makes me inclined to believe you don't really have an answer since you seem very intent on defending yourself from everyone else. On March 05 2024 01:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good? If I remember correctly, he called me mafia for having TMI for calling you town in a secure way. Which I applaud. Here, I honestly do not understand or I am pretty stupid. Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia. In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers. Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me. As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT) Thing is, DP is bravado, he has said so before such as “he controls lynches” and stuff like that. Here, he is too quiet for the exception of calling me wolf.
As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time” Am I wrong for getting with this conclusion? This is a general question for everyone, not just Rayn. First off the red piece is objectively wrong, DP is like a top 3 poster in this game purely on volume. Secondly I think you're completely mischaracterizing the interaction you two had a couple of pages back. 10) Palmar - I haven’t been really impressed with their play for the most part IMO. Quotes like this one stand out as particularly “meh” to me because why play if you’re not going to read/play? Seems like this is a “Meh don’t try so hard, I’m not” post, and that just leaves me with a bad taste. I know it may be hypocritical of me to say this at this juncture, but low effort town is not a good look and makes me think it might actually just be scum laying out excuses for the future. This is counterbalanced by the fact that the majority of their posts were generally alright and I generally agreed with their line of thinking, making it seem like organic townie stuff. Neutral for now, but I do think I understand why there is a train on them now; I just don’t feel as much conviction about it and don’t want to jump on the boat when there are people who I find more suspicious/less beneficial to the game. 11) justanothertownie - It almost feels suicidal to be again a the Vivax for mayor narrative so frankly I don't see JAT doing so as mafia and sticking out like a sore thumb. However, I can't put too much weight on this read and I didn't like their analyses as much as others' so I don't have much that makes them absolutely townie either, IMO. Neutral for now, because I don’t think that their head-scratcher posts were AI (though I was tempted to sheep sandroba re: JAT as quoted above). + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? ^ Having a hard time understanding what the point of something like this is, for example. On March 05 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote: I think I like the direction that seems to have formed of Iamp, Rayn, marv and to a lesser degree sandro as a council of sorts. I had at least 3-4 moments in the early pages where Iamp posted exactly what I was thinking at the time. Rayn seems reasonable so far (but him masoning marv is probably something he does as either alignment) and I agree that marv masoning sandro is a move that is more likely to come from town. Would still prefer if people used the thread to communicate even though it would make catching up even harder. ^ Ironically I agree with basically these reads except for rayn but was an example of where I thought JAT’s opinion mostly aligned with my own, so tough to believe he might be scum. Maybe using the reads to disguise a scumbuddy in there, perhaps? Still, mostly WIFOM stuff for me. 12) die_meatbaby - Another poster whose posts I had a somewhat hard time following conceptually sometimes, but for the most part I didn’t think it was all that bad. Nothing great, but nothing horrible either. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 06 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote: I had an early town read on dmb, but she has then turned into more of a single threaded bot that only pops in to talk about the vivax claim. Not seeing as many unprompted inputs from her as I would expect from her as town. ^ Can’t say I agree with this with conviction but I can see this as being true to my own experience. I didn’t mind their long list post, though. Spoilered: + Show Spoiler [Long list post] +On March 05 2024 12:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:52 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 05:56 Rels wrote: I will be gone for the next few hours. die_meatbaby when I'm back this evening I would be ecstatic if I find a list post from you, or even who is your biggest scumread and why Rels this is such a hard post to make this early of a game and my opinions will for sure change but for right now this what I think of the players and I know everytime I make a list post people call me scum but as I want to make a favor for a french guy for once in a lifetime here you go… Good TownMe 🙂 VivaxI know the claim was unnecessary if he has no PR. But I would say for sure never what he make such scummy slightly stupid thing as mafia. Too obvious, too high for his mafia meta. Maybe he is just a Townie but I totally understand why he did such a thing. He has trust issues and paranoia with this things you wouldn´t trust on anybody else to vote as a major. But he knows his alignment and it is for sure safer option to have as a major then anybody else right now! I hope he is blue, if not he is at least Town. And you guys know I would lynch him directly if he looks scummy to me. Did it as Town and as Mafia but right now I don´t see any reason to lynch him because he wouldn´t play like this as mafia TownRelshe only has a 2 page filter but he asks very good questions and really tries to help Town. At least that's how it looks to me for now. Could change quickly of course Sandrobahas the same energie as in the last game. Safe for now. Less Town but would have a chance to get TownishKoshi Didn´t like his inactivity at the start of the game. I know him way more active and aggressiv as Town. DPTrfl IAPSlightly scummyJSLMy Dear CC I am sorry but you disappointed me at the teaparty JustanotherTowniejustanotherscum MarvNo Town Marv behavier found MafiaOatsmasterSeems like he just asks a stupid questions and not trying to help us. RaynOn March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote: [quote]
He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. I actually called him a really good mafia player here and his reaction is definitely not townish. No categorySlam illegible god of the gameMZ useless (for me rn) VE I'm sorry but I can't judge you, that would be the same as a doctor measuring the heartbeat of a coked-up guy. The result will probably be wrong Just WTF TotheStars I mean his filter looks worse then the history of my country Not playing jealous Hapahauli This is just OMGUS On March 05 2024 05:07 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:00 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. She's saying you are too experienced and dangerous as scum to trust you with that on a D1. that would be another bullshit statement. Uhhhhh thats scum rayn getting mad because newbie ruins his scum major plan. Already love this game. I didn´t write any bs just my opinion why vivax claims and why I wouldn´t vote you as mayor only for lynch but not on D1 maybe on d2 I actually agree with them here. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote: I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Agreed with them here again. 13) CopCake - I don’t know if it’s because I have a hard time following their mindset/writing, or because of their self-professed “style”, but I just did not find any of their Day 1 play to be all that productive. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 03:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:55 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 03:34 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote: I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room. that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me rayn loves to be more town than mafia. He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that. I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so. This feels like the awkward moment where you need to make up for possibly exposing him as scum. Vivax, take a break please and come back. Because I think you know this can’t make sense. You’re just annoyed at the game and people in it and it leads to posts like this. ^ Don’t want to beat it to death but I did not like these CopCake posts, I did like the Vivax and marv posts here. On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote: Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake? ^ My thoughts exactly. 14) JacobStrangelove - Another poster that I have a hard time understanding and who doesn’t seem to want to be understood, preferring to talk in weird ways instead of being clear until pressured. Like, what the hell are these posts? + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 14:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound. It's a parked vote didn't remember you had voted them at the time, why? Are you afraid they'll be lynched? Did you try and get away with early voting your scum buddy early and it's now scary? I see a deflection case here you think it'll be easy to lynch me to save yourself. I could cover old ground but the reasons you seem scummy are just in the thread. DP's case you havent held up to the preasure very well. The reason for not voting you are purely semantic activity based. You'll only turn more red the more you post if you are part of the evil british army! Oh wait yeah it was the british with red coats in the Napoleonic era huh.... I guess I can be American.... On March 05 2024 14:40 JacobStrangelove wrote: Now I will say this isn't based on DP's interaction with women that I've seen. He's clearly a stud and women love him. More DP's style of interaction I've put in a box of people who are like that, and seperatally people who are like that interacting with women or woman styled men tend to cause a more stubborn reaction in that same style. So initially based on the gender change I was seeing you as less mafia. 15) Hapahauli - I don't know them but I don't think it would be smart/most people would be disinterested enough as mafia to basically ask to be modkilled. Based on others' reactions, it doesn't seem to be in this player's nature. 16) Iamperfection - I just think that like the other townreads I have, their activity was productive and is more townie than not. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 02:42 iamperfection wrote: Rels made 2 posts and then seems to disappear despite a lot of stuff happening ^ Bringing this up when they were under no heat of their own and driving the game forward. Small stuff but there were other examples. Of course, we did end up finding out what’s going on with Rels, but this is still good IMO. Just to be clear, not strong on its own, but as part of the larger package. 17) Koshi - Like my other town reads, definitely feels like someone who is trying to push the game forward and catch mafia. We will 100% find out how good of a job they are doing in the near future as we get some flips, but for now, Koshi has been one of the more townie-sounding people I’ve read. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 21:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? I disagree with that mafia is on board. When I read this thread after 18 or 20 hours in game. There was 1) not enough pressure on mafia. DP tried to put some work in but he was alone. 2) no town circle 3) a 7 page Vivax that blueclaimed and was ridiculed. While a lackluster rayn had 3 times as much votes for Mayor. (or something like that) I am saying that mafia was content at that point in the game. And now it is our job to find a good Mayor. (Which is Vivax because I can't read 1 good argument why he is mafia, the argument he is reckless or stupid is fake!media, it's really a shitshow argument if your alternative is rayn) to vote mafia. Which marv initiated quite nicely & on time. Palmar needs to make a move now and if he doesn't this is a good lynch to create a town circle. Which has not happened yet. I don't even know where to start. I think iamp/DP for their early game. I think CC because she seems full of good intentions. Somewhere there is a good start. On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote: For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia: 1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1. 2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1. 3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia: 4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon. 5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia. 6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. ^ Posts like these don’t feel like a mafia!Koshi would be going this hard against a townie!Palmar or defending a mafia!marv. 18) ToTheStars - I don’t find the case against them to be that strong but the difference between what they were posting like at the beginning vs. their notable absence when being pressured by a lot of others makes me think that they are hoping they are just overlooked/forgotten somehow and that people move to new targets. 19) VisceraEyes - Kinda neutral on them tbh; wouldn’t mind a reminder as to why this person might be a good lynch, because frankly I don’t recall anything too egregious. + Show Spoiler [Example] +On March 05 2024 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote: OMG so much was not expecting so much loooool
People pretending to have reads that mean anything already are fucking awesome, like I can kinda get a read off that stuff but so many are good at faking it. You guys won't have any meaningful reads until flips happen.
I am, actively, doing jack shit. But I'm also not pushing an agenda or doing anything scummy, so energy put into lynching me is wasted.
So you want a mayor that is in here pretending with you guys. I get it. I hear you. I'm just not doing it. I'm not pretending to have reads that mean anything right now. I'm going to lynch someone who is barely posting, someone who ISN'T ME that is barely posting, and that's what I'll do as mayor. You either like that or you don't. I was hoping Slam would come in here and make you guys like it but you can't count on anyone these days.
I'll talk to you guys about who I think is mafia after I see some stuff happen in the thread that is alignment indicative. I don't think how DMB phrased something or how much Oats posted D1 or any bullshit like that is alignment indicative. I like votes, lynches, who pushes what and why. We don't have that D1. We have activity. So that's what I'm running on bish. You don't like my activity level? Then you agree with my premise and should vote me as mayor rather than someone who could be mafia. ^ I don’t think this is necessarily productive but I can also resonate with this and seems like a townie wanting to prevent a mislynch more than a cornered scum to me. 20) Rels - Maybe I’m just getting loopy at this point but I really don’t remember much of anything that Rels did. Going to not be too judgmental right now but worried about a scum taking a back seat here. Going to keep an eye out. Update as I was writing: Seems there are family issues there, will be willing to let them live for now and hope things get better soon. 21) Alakaslam - Can't outright say they seem scummy but I certainly don't understand what the fuck they are saying most of the time, which to me means that they are not playing in town's best interest, which means I wouldn't mind seeing them gone and we might get a mafia lynch for it to boot. FWIW I get that they went through a rough time recently; in fact IIRC I spoke to them in a blog somewhere about it. But then, why join this game? Why “play” like this? Maybe they are riding on “just Alakaslam things” as an excuse? Etc. + Show Spoiler [Waste of time] +On March 05 2024 14:40 Alakaslam wrote: Honestly I am being honest I swear to my honesty honest to God
I edit my posts and read before posting honestly I swear to honest On March 05 2024 14:41 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 14:40 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 14:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 14:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 14:31 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 14:30 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote: would dp come after me as mafia? im guessing no? Why not? Nothing sticks so he can sling shit any direction. Ok saying that reminded me of a rant he made not long ago Retracting the SR. Actually might be a hard TR for DP now actually. What are you taking about? Since when did you scum read me lol? Several times, actually! But people don't read me this game and I think I should not blame them for that. I waffle on you faster than a windshield wiper on full speed What rant are you taking about? I'm just going nuts over here, don't get too worried about it. If you don't like me scum reading you, wait like 5 seconds On March 04 2024 22:02 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 21:42 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 21:41 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:42 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote: Why are you so obsessed with me? I want to know your alignment. Yes, obviously. Anyone else? Man you make me suspect you. Still lynch vivax if by some faerie magic, I am actually elected mayor. Second pick is VE, he has some decent logic on why he would lurker lynch. Dammit, I have to filter you for your questions, don't I? What are you talking about? I was talking to cake here? Yeah and you're being Oats at her.Whatever, flavor means varyIng things to varying flavor. You can't personality read and I should give grave for that to both you and Oats. Got it out of my system. No slam. Cake is legitimately scummy here. 1.) She came into the thread roleplaying and while that in itself is not scummy she also did not contribute anything at all until2.) I try to engage her about her reads and then she instantly calls me mafia and says I am not trying to solve the game which is: a.) objectively untrue and b.) hilariously ironic for someone who had until I had asked her for reads had literally only roleplayed a tea party. 3.) she then says that she was actually playing the game with the role play and in fact was interacting with her town circle. but 4.) Actively avoided engaging with me about her town reads or why they formed much too early in the game to be called a town circle 5.) she was caught as mafia for that exact same reason day 1 last time she was mafia. These points are fair. And I haven't the recollection of last time she was mafia so I will have to cede that to you. Wait What? Literally last game we played together i was mafia o_O Doesn't mean I remember it. I am in a bad divorce that had me thinking about whether I could find a country to do assisted suicide that would notify of my death but not call it a suicide so I could still give my family a life insurance payout. Fortunately I realized how many people that would hurt, and that I was plotting a serious crime to boot. But shit isn't going well at all for slam. So I can't remember jack shit. ^ Why are you here then? Sorry, but seriously. Let's assume youre telling the truth here about not reading Slam has claimed. Let's also assume you have actually read my posts since you're calling me mafia. The people i consider mafia, at this point, are Palmar, VE, Trfel, possibly DMB and JAT. Not only ALL of those reads are in your possible scum list, and i have also made a case on Slam earlier on in the game. I also agree with all of your town reads. This doesn't give you ANY PAUSE at all in rayn being mafia? I find it unlike your reads are actually sincere.
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I am abit confused about having to hsve marv convince my fiancee is not mafia... But after all he is my #2 gay crush.
This is sauna talking.
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On March 07 2024 04:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am abit confused about having to hsve marv convince my fiancee is not mafia... But after all he is my #2 gay crush.
This is sauna talking. #2? Wtf? Sorry i have soe irl friends ss well
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On March 07 2024 04:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 04:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am abit confused about having to hsve marv convince my fiancee is not mafia... But after all he is my #2 gay crush.
This is sauna talking. #2? Wtf? Sorry i have soe irl friends ss well Mafia players have irl friends? I’ve heard it all now Yeah like slam.
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On March 07 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote: HIJOLE NO RAYN I WAS NOT GLING THERE + Show Spoiler [offtopic] + the first time we met, when a dude shows up for a meet up and insists (before) that he can drive us 500 miles to another side of the country, accepts no gas money, and even buys us lunch because i guess we are his guests when actually we are his hindrance at that point... i dont know, it is just max hospitality and for the record he is also good looking ^^
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I think i have seen his picture, doesn't look bad either!
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On March 07 2024 04:33 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe that needs to change. yes!
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On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:Rels is also cute Rels is super french!!
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Yes but like a super french person.
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Rels we have literally a french sports car now btw!!!! ^_^
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citroen.
you really have not seen the best picture of all times? from artanis and rsoul wedding?
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Okay i gotta sleep. I think you know my reads.
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A few things:
Slam, Vivax will work out by themselves. Caliin them mafia is completely useless.
Lynch Palmar, lynch VE. After D3 there is noone left to do that anymore and people AGAIN let them slide bewcause noone listen to dead people.
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On March 21 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 10:57 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 10:55 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 10:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 10:53 Rels wrote:Really hope we see some red, pretty awful game from me otherwise Who would it even be in that case, JAT/MZ/Jealous I guess? DP if you're scum, fucking kudos, most incredible performance ever I think she flips red, but yes. Otherwise it was Jat/MZ/Jealous I think. but I think that is much less likely. This is a pretty great performance from DMB. it great because its not a perfomance I hope this is not true. I have a 90% winrate at endgames, and this would give it a beating. when you are really town then I have to say this is the worst town game I have ever seen by you Fuck off DMB, I fucking shot mafia.
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at least i won new tires <3
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On March 21 2024 11:05 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 11:04 Rels wrote: GG scum! At the very least we weren't even close ... I don't know if that really should be a relief but ... We were close on D4 PS: Fuck Vivax. Vivax was your best man with Cake and DMB (who you both lynched) after D2, so fuck you.
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On March 21 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 11:04 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 10:55 die_meatbaby wrote: dp/rels/J or dp/rels/Jat You named 4 different people out of the remaining 6, not including yourself that's 5, and you still didn't get it right. Better luck next time. can you fucking give any credit on where it belongs ever? she made like 100 posts on how DP is mafia on final day and you just jacked off on every of them?
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Also you were an asshole.
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On March 21 2024 11:07 Vivax wrote: Jealous too. Undoubtedly mafias greatest asset.
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On March 21 2024 11:10 DarthPunk wrote: Guys, guys lets talk about how great the mafia team played and not how shit the town played.
That is what I really am interested in right now. well played, only thing i remember though is how asshole someone can be.
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On March 21 2024 11:12 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 11:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2024 11:10 DarthPunk wrote: Guys, guys lets talk about how great the mafia team played and not how shit the town played.
That is what I really am interested in right now. well played, only thing i remember though is how asshole someone can be. true words spoken not DP though, he did what mafia does, discredit town and try to lynch town. he was not an asshole.
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On March 21 2024 11:19 Vivax wrote: I‘m rereading the Palmar lynch and have a hard time seeing that Jealous didn‘t know DP was scum all along tbh.
He only decided to vote him in order to save himself though. Why wouldnt he do that though?
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On March 21 2024 11:21 Rels wrote: I have no idea how any of you caught DP though. DP was scum from the time Jacob got shot. Double scum when Koshi got shot. :D
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Last thing was his case on Palmar.
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On March 21 2024 11:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2024 11:21 Rels wrote: I have no idea how any of you caught DP though. DP was scum from the time Jacob got shot. Double scum when Koshi got shot. :D Come on, I told you I was mafia after jacob got shot and you didn't believe me no?
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On March 21 2024 11:29 Vivax wrote: My paranoia went rampant btw. But I am happy with DP winning. Still hoped we could get one more maybe Should have believed my & Palmar's case on Meapak. Prolly the only person who noone alive after D1 really considered mafia, so well played.
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On March 21 2024 11:30 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 11:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2024 11:24 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2024 11:21 Rels wrote: I have no idea how any of you caught DP though. DP was scum from the time Jacob got shot. Double scum when Koshi got shot. :D Come on, I told you I was mafia after jacob got shot and you didn't believe me no? You said: really?? ofc, why would i be like "DP is scum" when you shot mafia, i was not following after Cake lynch until last day. I guess you can say you told me you're mafia and i didn't believe it, but i don't think it's right expression.
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shit i was bad. could not have caught DP unless mayyyyybe as mayor.
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bad experiment we could have had it all my empire of dirt-
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On March 21 2024 11:41 iamperfection wrote: so new policy for DP over 50 page filter = auto lynch ? remember he told this game he is burned out from last game, and i correctly suspected vivax for townreading him for it :D
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On March 21 2024 11:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 11:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:bad experiment we could have had it all my empire of dirt- PM me your steam account I‘ll gift you sex with hitler as reparations. Unless you already own it ofc wtf is sex with hitler?
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secret hitler? i have that ofc
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On March 21 2024 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Palmar has the right idea about policy lynching tbh, it’s a shame we don’t do it more i agree it's the right idea, but it is just so boring... like why join a game, get all pumped up for it, then win or lose just because we lynched some random scrubs who didnt play?
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yeah i have it as board game collector edition
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marv you really fucked up the claim stuff in mason with sandroba lol. just be straight about it, if youre not, i will make you anyways. (not that it meant anything in the end)
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On March 21 2024 19:19 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, it would be great if townies could start reading the op and stop self voting. The dumbtells this game were through the roof. It is really annoying when this is what you have to argue against as mafia.
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for the record i am not playing, cake, ve, jealous.
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