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Shinhan Bank Proleague 2007 @ OnGameNet
SKTelecom - KTF Kingdom (P) < Nemesis > Nal_rA (P) JulyZerg (Z) < Python > 815 (Z) LaKe[Name] (Z)/Shudder_V (T) < Vampire > Reach (P)/ZergBOy (Z) Midas (T) < Tau Cross > GooDFriend (T) Ace Match < Geometry >
Started 9 mins ago but no thread yet, so I created one. First timer here, but I'll try my best plz be lenient if I screw up.
+ Show Spoiler +Kingdom (P) < Nal_rA (P) @ Nemesis JulyZerg (Z) < 815 (Z) @ Python LaKe[Name] (Z)/Shudder_V (T) < Reach (P)/ZergBOy (Z) @ Vampire
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oh man if you screw up i am going to paint my house with your blood
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what about eSTRO vs Hanbit gogo^^
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The first game is battle of old rivals Kingdom and Ra, Lets see if Ra can end his slump, he has been losing games in proleague left and right lately.
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3 1v1 matches are mirror, how boring
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a korean friend said hes gonna hold up a sign during todays match if the camera focuses on him
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whoa ra wrecks havoc in kingdom's min line, getting like 4-5 probes with 2 zeals
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nice harassing from rA! killing many probes
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That was cool zealot micro from ra
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but will he survive big zealot counter by Kingdom
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kingdom busts ra's ramp and is running around with 2 zeals now, chased by 3
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ra sends out his 4 zeals in a counter attack while chasing the single zeal still alive in his base
ra's expansion is finished faster but he maynards slower
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ra's turn to bust up a ramp. gets 2 of his zaels into kingdom's base
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bk in fourth game
both attacking each other.
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damn this game kick's ass
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micro micro micro, small battles, soo good
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ra flanks the ramp block of kingdom then gets some goons up
midas smiling like an idiot
ra is forced out for the timing being
reaver tech is up for both players, and they both expand to thei islands
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If this is the fashion rA and kingdom intend to return to form in, I can be a happy protoss fanboy.
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almost symmetrical movement with the expoing probe =DD
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reavers come out simultaneously for both players and both shuttles head to the others base
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both reavers are scouted by the island expansions.
ra loses his reaver without doing anything kingdom forces ra to cancel his island expansion
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On July 10 2007 02:49 GTR-2-Go wrote: damn this game kick's ass
apostrophes are possessive
not for verbs or plural
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this game is as good as the mycube finals, 1st game on gaema gowon in particular
so many harassments
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ra's either gone crazy or ego issue with that reaver move =(( that was so bad
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kingdom's obs deter him from attempting a eraver drop on ra's main as he can see the goon movement.
he drops the expansion ra is building at 9. ra cancels it
ra drops kingdom's island with a eraver
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kingdom gets a shuttle with some goons and ra picks up his reaver and runs
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On July 10 2007 02:53 GTR-2-Go wrote: this game is as good as the mycube finals, 1st game on gaema gowon in particular
so many harassments
some korean fangirls were holidng up a sign with "mycube". just thought you might find that interesting. and yeah this game is pretty good but i give the advantage to devil toss. Lets see if he can keep it.
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ra reaver drops the island, gets the 2 goons and a cannon there then picks it up and runs before kingdom's shuttles can unload
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ra's expansion at 9 is up, and hes taking the lower main.
kingdom is taking the 1 main.
ra reaver drops the island with two shuttles.
gets a couple of cannons and the goons
goes for another reaver drop, trading the reaver for 2 ht
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"Again, 2003 MyCube"
Your right^^
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ra dancing his goons around the middle, chased by a DT.
dt runs past the cannon on the 7 ramp,knocks down a cannon by thenexus
meanwhile kingdom does a ht drop on ra's 9 expansion, losing the shuttle and the ht for 2 probes
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kingdom tries another reaver templar drop. first attempt he misses his storm, reaver kilsl a cannon
runs up to the natural of ra's main. ra throws off 4 storms to kill it, missing each one
reaver gets 2 probes before dying, shuttle dies to cannons
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both players are moving around the map with massive hueg armies. we might see a fight now
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kingdom doesnt have zeal speed, forces ra back.
more storms fly off and this time kingdom is running away
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both players wandering around the middle of the mp, occasionally throwing off storms at each other
both players equal on expansions at the moment
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kingdom's army consists mainly of zeal archon templar
ra's is mostly goon archon templar
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Ra has to do something about Kingdoms expos, or else he will be overpowered soon.
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they engage again, kingdom gets a couple of good storms off and ra turns away
ra storm drops in the mean while, then kingdom attacks ra
more nice stormsas they fight, ra is now running up the ramp at the bottom expansion
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kingdom simultaneously attacks ra's 9 expansion, ra holds the attack at the bottom main
ra loses most his probes at 9 to storm
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ra finally scouts the expansion at the 1 main losing a shuttle to cannons
attacks up the 3 expwith a small force but is turned away
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OMFG such nice goon micro by green O.O
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´who has the upper hand ?
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another storm drop coming from ra on the 1 expansion gets a few probes, nothing special
oh, a third ht unloads and kills all the probes
kingdom barely has any probes at the 3 main, none at 1
only real expansion for him atm would be his island
ra flies shuttle over kingdom's expansion but it survives since kingdom was using move command with it
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It is hard to say, Kingdom imo
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maybe ra
ra just let lose like a half a dozen storms all over kingdom's army
ra is taking the top island,
kingdom has army superiority i believe, btu economically hes behind
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kingdom attacking 7 again, i dont think ra can hold this one off since he doesnt have much of an army
oh wait theres a million units streaming down his ramp now
and hes storm dropping everything kingdom has while this is going on
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ra wipes kingdom's army off the face of the map
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Nal_Ra...you're pretty good at starcraft.
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ra is attacking the 1 main now, kingdom only has a few zeals and some cannons. its gonna die
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well rA finally got it now
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Good game
From where is Ra getting those units?
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kingdom GG's
everyone on the ktf team is clapping
garimto high fives chojja
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ra had a massive eco, the ob just never showed his rally point, so we never knew how many units he had
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ra's defence cannon = hax
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On July 10 2007 03:11 Red_Dragon wrote: Good game
From where is Ra getting those units?
From the differences between active and inactive progamers...
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i think kingdom had the better unit mix in those big fights but kang min got the better storm drops ;]
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Ra always retreated so well back to the high ground cannons. The foolish mistake by kingdom to try to fight an uphill battle against a bunch of cannons is why ra won in my opinion. Not to mention the godly harassment.
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well played by both players
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Woah, if I'm not mistaken, Kingdom had a huge lead in that no? I only tuned in half way through, it looked like he had a much larger force. Nal_rA kept spinning circles around him while doing some very very good harassment drops, forced Kingdom to fight in bad situations, and Kingdom just couldn't seem to keep his momentum. Great comeback.
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Ya it was a amazing comeback by Ra...awesome game. 10/10.
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well but ra got the much better start. he killed ~7 probes with his initial 2 zeal rush
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On July 10 2007 03:13 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Ra always retreated so well back to the high ground cannons. The foolish mistake by kingdom to try to fight an uphill battle against a bunch of cannons is why ra won in my opinion. Not to mention the godly harassment.
Plus, everytime Kingdom got suckered into fighting up ramps with a bunch of cannons on top, Ra would send units from his main to attack his army from behind as well, cutting off his escape. Happened particularly at 7, I think.
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Wow, pretty amazing game!
After 'losing' the first big skirmish in the middle, Kang Min was looking like Reach with all those storms. I figured he'd need to toss in a few reavers to win, but the storm use was unbelievable. Especially that insane move where he brought the templar too far forward and then ran them back toward his army, luring Kingdom's forces in and then storming them to hell.
Eco was definitely the biggest factor though, with kingdom's horrible storm drops early contrasted with the observer cutting to a probeless Kingdom base every single time Ra repositioned his army. Good stuff.
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On July 10 2007 03:19 The Storyteller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2007 03:13 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Ra always retreated so well back to the high ground cannons. The foolish mistake by kingdom to try to fight an uphill battle against a bunch of cannons is why ra won in my opinion. Not to mention the godly harassment. Plus, everytime Kingdom got suckered into fighting up ramps with a bunch of cannons on top, Ra would send units from his main to attack his army from behind as well, cutting off his escape. Happened particularly at 7, I think.
off topic a lil... why isnt bw in wcg singapore game list?
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art harassing from rA, that's why he won the game!
harass + defence, be patient, see what happens!!
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Yeah, Ra lost the advantage he built early when he reaver dropped Kingdom's natural, killing nothing due to scarab AI and losing both reaver and shuttle. Meanwhile, Kingdom stopped Ra's expansion attempt (with a reaver of his own) and expanded himself.
After that, Kingdom held the advantage until the constant storm drops on his economy (along with Ra's being mostly untouched) took their toll. Ra luring Kingdom into positions he shouldn't have fought in also helped turn the tide.
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On July 10 2007 03:20 Ash wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2007 03:19 The Storyteller wrote:On July 10 2007 03:13 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Ra always retreated so well back to the high ground cannons. The foolish mistake by kingdom to try to fight an uphill battle against a bunch of cannons is why ra won in my opinion. Not to mention the godly harassment. Plus, everytime Kingdom got suckered into fighting up ramps with a bunch of cannons on top, Ra would send units from his main to attack his army from behind as well, cutting off his escape. Happened particularly at 7, I think. off topic a lil... why isnt bw in wcg singapore game list?
It isn't?! Man, that sucks. I'll ask the organisers.
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GOD OF WAR vs young apprentice
gogo SKT
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reports please! skt hwaiting!
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both go 12 fe
815 building 3rd hatch before!! pool
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815 building lings with 3 hatch
july got faster lair
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815 got much more lings but he waited too long with his attack
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garimto going crazy coz 815 might win
july is in trouble
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all of ktf are getting wild
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mass lings + well timed scourges > july
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Uh oh... look who's not going to get a pay raise this year...
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On July 10 2007 03:27 The Storyteller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2007 03:20 Ash wrote:On July 10 2007 03:19 The Storyteller wrote:On July 10 2007 03:13 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Ra always retreated so well back to the high ground cannons. The foolish mistake by kingdom to try to fight an uphill battle against a bunch of cannons is why ra won in my opinion. Not to mention the godly harassment. Plus, everytime Kingdom got suckered into fighting up ramps with a bunch of cannons on top, Ra would send units from his main to attack his army from behind as well, cutting off his escape. Happened particularly at 7, I think. off topic a lil... why isnt bw in wcg singapore game list? It isn't?! Man, that sucks. I'll ask the organisers.
yea man seriously you should help those bw players from sg.. its been a while since there is lack of sponsors for bw.. the winner last year was even asked to pay for his trip himself if he wants to participate in the grand final
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I'm sure the coaches and managers are aware of how luck based zvz is...and I don't think this will have any effect at all
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that initial 3 hatch build on close positions somehow worked pretty well
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KTF could 3-0 right here.
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WoW this is exceptional replay if u want to learn scourge/ling manuver!
Look SKT coach showed up in July's booth, put a fake smile on his face and patted july on the back and he said something... July followed him into the back stage. Oh god he's gonna get scolded so badly loL
I love KTF, they're all cheering for 815, it's such a friendly team.
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I gotta say, it's good to see garimto getting so into the game again.
On the flip side, SKT coach takes july backstage.
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How do you know evan?
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On July 10 2007 03:39 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:I'm sure the coaches and managers are aware of how luck based zvz is...and I don't think this will have any effect at all
I was kidding =)
But it was scary the way the SKT1 coach goes up to July after the match with this evil grin and pulls him behind the curtain.
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On July 10 2007 03:40 QibingZero wrote: I gotta say, it's good to see garimto getting so into the game again.
On the flip side, SKT coach takes july backstage. I KNOW hahaha LOL OH GOD OH GOD!
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On July 10 2007 03:38 Ash wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2007 03:27 The Storyteller wrote:On July 10 2007 03:20 Ash wrote:On July 10 2007 03:19 The Storyteller wrote:On July 10 2007 03:13 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Ra always retreated so well back to the high ground cannons. The foolish mistake by kingdom to try to fight an uphill battle against a bunch of cannons is why ra won in my opinion. Not to mention the godly harassment. Plus, everytime Kingdom got suckered into fighting up ramps with a bunch of cannons on top, Ra would send units from his main to attack his army from behind as well, cutting off his escape. Happened particularly at 7, I think. off topic a lil... why isnt bw in wcg singapore game list? It isn't?! Man, that sucks. I'll ask the organisers. yea man seriously you should help those bw players from sg.. its been a while since there is lack of sponsors for bw.. the winner last year was even asked to pay for his trip himself if he wants to participate in the grand final
Well, let's face it... Starcraft is dying, and with Singapore being such a small country, the loss of every player is keenly felt. No sponsors, no games! So we will have to cheer for our neighbours instead. Gogo Johnrambo!
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He used to be a sports psychologist apparently (Ju Hoon, SKT Manager)
I wonder.
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On July 10 2007 03:39 evanthebouncy! wrote: I love KTF, they're all cheering for 815, it's such a friendly team.
Yeah, I like KTF for that reason as well. Kang Min still always smiles too - just a little more when he wins, of course.
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On July 10 2007 03:40 QibingZero wrote: I gotta say, it's good to see garimto getting so into the game again.
On the flip side, SKT coach takes july backstage.
That statement is a double entendre... both meanings of which I'm sure are true!
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On July 10 2007 03:40 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:How do you know evan? What do u mean it's on the stream the camera showed it! HAhahah
Okay lemme talk about game 1. rA's early zealot harass is superior, kingdom's zlot vs zlot micro is superior, Kingdumb killed rA's nexi, good move, rA got impatient w/ Reaver, doing not much dmg and silly scarab AI is bad. From then on Kingdom has the lead most of the time, rA made some silly mistakes chasing kingdom too much with his army and get covered in storm as punishment, he also makes great mistakes not bringing observers to key battles, kingdom got away with DTs wayy too much.
From then on rA is behind, although not that much behind because if you look at minimap rA has expo advantage for a good while. Kingdom has army advantage thou, but rA made templars, crapload of templars.
He stormraided kingdom to cripple him, i Love ra, he's SOOO patient, it doesn't matter if you don't get kills first time, nothing bad if you don't get kills second time, he just kept going and eventually (the last few times) he got good probe kills.
While kingdom chose a stupid zlot/archon/temp build, rA fortifies his base w/ massive cannons. I love rA's heavy templar tactic: He will engage Kingdom, and kindom will chase him, then rA massively storms kingdom. This continues for awhile as Kingdom gets strained out and wither up. That Last attack was phenominal, I have NO idea how rA defended that, but I think Kingdom's Zlot/Archon army got choked up at rA's ramp, and rA stalled just long enough for his massive Zeal/goon army to save the day.
From then on it's downhill for kingdom, which has no army, no probe, his last defence was just at tad too late and rA got into kingdom's base and fried all probes. GG.
Overall Kingdom has superior storms, if you watch the game you can tell, but rA had better ideas on how the game flows, from the early zealot harass to the later on templar play his game decisions were superior and that saved the day.
Phew Im tired! Let's see if KTF wins 3-0!
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July looks disillusioned, Coach is fine
*cough*
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Ooh did anyone see rA's goon trick? He send forward 1 goon and zlot/archon flanked it, ra stormed that. :p I still say Kingdom's unit mix lost him the game, I don't know what he was thinking, Zlot/temp might be more fierce but Goon simply endures in longer battles.`
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Oh god haha I love KTF coach, such a chubby man hahaha, can't see his eyes cuz his hair is too long hahaha :D Poor STK coach, he's always always serious I never see him smile except when STK wins T_T
Mycubee get on irc
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man 815's eyebrows are still massive
come on man get them tweezed or somethin you're on tv
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KTF will no longer be the washed-up generation of progamers
Hery, Flash, 815 and Haran to carry them forward!
All they need though is a good protoss
Foreigners?
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On July 10 2007 03:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: man 815's eyebrows are still massive
come on man get them tweezed or somethin you're on tv Lol that'll be extremely gay won't it? Dark eyebrows are fine, wait till u get older u lose them :p
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On July 10 2007 03:51 evanthebouncy! wrote: Ooh did anyone see rA's goon trick? He send forward 1 goon and zlot/archon flanked it, ra stormed that. :p I still say Kingdom's unit mix lost him the game, I don't know what he was thinking, Zlot/temp might be more fierce but Goon simply endures in longer battles.`
Yeah, and goons allow for more micro opportunities as the battles die down as well. I remember at the end of one of the later fights that game ra fought off a lot of units in a tight corner in one of kingdom's bases, then ran behind his mineral line and sniped out most of his probes before finally losing units that should have been long dead.
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On July 10 2007 03:55 evanthebouncy! wrote: Mycubee get on irc
i am but you arent replying ~_~
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On July 10 2007 03:55 evanthebouncy! wrote: Poor STK coach, he's always always serious I never see him smile except when STK wins T_T
Or when July loses.
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Lake[Name] in trouble soon?
no air defence + _ +
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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<evanthebouncy> CMNO MANTOSS GET IT GET IT <evanthebouncy> GET IN THERE U CAN DO IT <evanthebouncy> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH STK GOOD MVOE GOOOOOOOOD MVOE <evanthebouncy> WOAHT THE FUCK <evanthebouncy> WHAT THE FUCK <evanthebouncy> SKT IS FUCKED <evanthebouncy> Oh GOD <evanthebouncy> Oh My GOD <evanthebouncy> that's bad luck thats gotta be bad bad bad luck (that's when lair had 20 health) <evanthebouncy> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH <evanthebouncy> HAHAHAH CMON SKT GET IT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THEY GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 -->| derkopf (derkopf@e178191098.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #teamliquid <evanthebouncy> okay red's dead <evanthebouncy> Lol manlytoss PvT <evanthebouncy> this is over <evanthebouncy> this is so over <evanthebouncy> Poor SKT <evanthebouncy> hahahaha <evanthebouncy> poor poor skt <evanthebouncy> GARIMTO IS PLEASED! <evanthebouncy> SKT COACH IS NOT PLEASED <evanthebouncy> REACH IS FUCKING UP ZERG <evanthebouncy> REACH IS RAPING ZERG <evanthebouncy> RA IS SMILING! THI SLOOKS GOOOOOOOD! <evanthebouncy> AHAHAHAHAHA lol <evanthebouncy> REACH HAS 12 goons raping red <evanthebouncy> Ahhhhh poor skt <evanthebouncy> Now Yellow's muta is raping terran's metal <evanthebouncy> Ahahahaha <evanthebouncy> OOOoooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh |<-- Axieoqu has left irc.quakenet.org (Quit: eah :<) <evanthebouncy> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DT FROM REACH <evanthebouncy> RA IS CLAPPING w/ APPROVAL <evanthebouncy> :D <evanthebouncy> Speedlot <evanthebouncy> SHIT LOAD OF PROTOSS GOING INTO TERRAN <evanthebouncy> LOL poor STK, say that again they will cry tonight... effing 3-0, BLOODY. <evanthebouncy> GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG <evanthebouncy> HAHAHAHA <evanthebouncy> Lastromqntique will be SOooOOoOO HAPPY |<-- iamatworkheh has left irc.quakenet.org (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) <evanthebouncy> Garimto is so happy hahaha I love garimto
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god damn Mycubee get on irc
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wouldn't say so because this game didn't really matter... curse still on.
till next season though =D.
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SKT really needs Boxer at the helm.
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yakii
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yakii
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On July 10 2007 04:30 evanthebouncy! wrote: WTF yakki ur SO fast!
hahaha I'm happy to see + Show Spoiler +.
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How can KTF be that joyful when they have no chance to play the playoffs anyway?
I know T1 is their historic rival and all, but they should be more concerned by the fact they still haven't won a proleague round ever. Were I a KTF supporter it'd make me seriously think that they're statisfied just by beating them, which is a bit lame.
Then again, I'm 100% biased on this one.
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On July 10 2007 05:07 PoP wrote:How can KTF be that joyful when they have no chance to play the playoffs anyway? I know T1 is their historic rival and all, but they should be more concerned by the fact they still haven't won a proleague round ever. Were I a KTF supporter it'd make me seriously think that they're statisfied just by beating them, which is a bit lame. Then again, I'm 100% biased on this one. Are you the kind of person to tell a hobo to not be happy when get gets an extra dollar from begging? Shesh...
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that's another way of seeing it
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Hahaha, well put Evan. Nevertheless, it's a real shame KTF slumped out of contesting the playoffs. But I suppose it can't be helped. Just happy to see rA finally take one.
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No goodfriend = I HATE YOU RA, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO WIN THIS TIME?
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Oh man what a good day for team KTF. Thanks for the vods speedy yaki *thumb up!*
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.... fucking how did July get killed by 815 ZvZ r gay
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he answered poorly to 815 3 hatch. 815 gambled and july didn't adapt to his gamble. Guess he should have taken more aggressive early before hatch finished, or made his own 3 hatch later being behind in eco but ahead in tech. not sure though, don't play zvz
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July definitely didn't do 12hat/11pool. If he did that, he definitely could've been able to damage 815 some. July tried to be greedy and still safe but 815 was even greedier =P.
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Damn you Comcast! Fucking up my phone and internet for like THREE DAYS so I miss this series D=
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