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This game is looking awesome, glad to see a lot of the old-timers joining as well.
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On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
Only read the thread up to this point so far. I think the once great town hero Trfel has betrayed us and is working with the enemy. The fact that he is choosing to comment so much on this technical aspect and not on people's alignment indicative behavior is what makes me believe this is the case.
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On March 04 2024 12:54 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. I think I fundamentally disagree with you on how the game works. I don't trust any one player on D1, much less do I trust their singular reads. Yes it's true that there might be someone who comes up with a perfect scumlist D1, but without any knowledge of flips, I have no way of knowing their list is better than mine. I obviously believe my reads first but on D1 they could be fucking terrible and I just don't know it yet. Town consensus at least provides multiple inputs so if I see several people who I think are good players reading the game the same way that I am, it helps me to solidify my reads. Let's put it this way. If I was a vig, I would never ever shoot D1. This mayor kill is no different than that in my eyes. Town KP is usually at a premium so I don't think it should be used based on one player's gut read D1. How about we just talk about who is mafia and who is town. I thought it would be useful to get into his mindset a bit, I think the utility has run its course though. To respond to your other post, (and also I suppose I can include Vivax or anyone else in the discussion about Oatsmaster), I felt like Oatsmaster has actually provided some substance this game. He has taken a unique angle in being interested in why players [i[don't want to be mayor, and he's been following up on this. I think that's actually rather decent for being less than an hour in. Really it feels genuine to me, like he's truly interested in the approach and people's answers. [/i]
Okay I like this post about oats and the mayor post before it
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On March 04 2024 12:59 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote: So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Do you think the townreads are good or bad bad. Dp is writing a litte strange. When he is Town he usually has a huge confidents of himself and make this clear in the thread as well. Maybe it just surprises me that he didn´t directly offering beeing mayor and trying to get people on his side. Also before making townreads I would wait for more people to join here as the europeans still sleeping
leaning very town on dmb, stark difference from last game and I agree with her DP assessment.
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On March 04 2024 12:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:40 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:38 iamperfection wrote: can we not speculate on hypothetical wagons for now.
For what its worth nobody's posts have given me mafia goosebumps yet. Are you so quick to write off Oats for not reading the OP? But I agree that I probably won‘t vote for him. He was good last game on MS though, when he was town. It's weird to me that both you and DP mentioned the MS game within a minute of each other in your attempts to call out oats. Townie points to MZ for noticing this and pointing it out, I don't think the mentions are weird in particular, but think someone finding this suspicious shows a townie mindset
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On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote: MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. Trfel, the town hero, obviously comes to the same conclusion as me.
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On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote: I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. The crowd goes wild! Trfel, Trfel, Trfel!
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On March 04 2024 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam is probably mafia. good post by rayn at this point in the thread
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On March 04 2024 22:13 JacobStrangelove wrote: That's a good point sandro, curious to know your thoughts on copcake vs DP and Ray's alighnment from your perspective.
Honestly undecided on DP, leaning town on copcake. If I had to decide now I would say it's most likely TvT here. Rayn is amongst my top town with dmb and trfel, Coincidentally, you are one of my few scum hunches so far.
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On March 04 2024 23:07 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: Trfel ##Mayor: Vivax
Sandroba why do you believe that Trfel is town ? He posted exactly what I was thinking at the time, much like the last game. After he switched from posting about technicalities there is not a single post he made that I didn't fully agree with
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On March 04 2024 23:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 22:10 sandroba wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Only read the thread up to this point so far. I think the once great town hero Trfel has betrayed us and is working with the enemy. The fact that he is choosing to comment so much on this technical aspect and not on people's alignment indicative behavior is what makes me believe this is the case. And why does it sound like you‘re scumreading him here and afterwards he lands in your top towns ?
It sounds like that because that's exactly what happened.
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I think it's fair for TTT to scum read tfrel at that point in the thread. At the same time the lack of engagement in other matters, or revising the read after more pages is a bit sus
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On March 04 2024 23:35 Vivax wrote: I just presented evidence to the contrary of what Sandro believes and he just sits there and takes it. If you consider time to be at a standstill that would make it a paradox. I won't fight you for correctly pointing out I changed my mind.
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On March 04 2024 23:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:29 sandroba wrote:On March 04 2024 23:17 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 22:10 sandroba wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote]
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Only read the thread up to this point so far. I think the once great town hero Trfel has betrayed us and is working with the enemy. The fact that he is choosing to comment so much on this technical aspect and not on people's alignment indicative behavior is what makes me believe this is the case. And why does it sound like you‘re scumreading him here and afterwards he lands in your top towns ? It sounds like that because that's exactly what happened. Too bad he‘s scummed it up more than once and you should know better than that. His Oats townread is explained in a very scummy manner and selective too, so its agenda driven.
Can you elaborate more on what makes it scummy and selective? When I read it I felt like it pointed out the things that jumped out to me as well.
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On March 04 2024 23:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:39 sandroba wrote:On March 04 2024 23:35 Vivax wrote: I just presented evidence to the contrary of what Sandro believes and he just sits there and takes it. If you consider time to be at a standstill that would make it a paradox. I won't fight you for correctly pointing out I changed my mind. I will fight you because it doesn‘t look like a well explained progression. I am questioning the basis of your read. That's true, I wouldn't say I explained it well.
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On March 04 2024 23:45 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:37 sandroba wrote: I think it's fair for TTT to scum read tfrel at that point in the thread. At the same time the lack of engagement in other matters, or revising the read after more pages is a bit sus Where is TTT here or do you mean To the Stars? I mean to the stars
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Not sure about being prickly, but I was just doing some filtering and I think his last post sounds very honest and townie. I was looking at people with low-impact and some pretense of being a helpful townie, I have you, JSL and VE in that category atm.
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On March 05 2024 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: sandroba since you are here what do you think about iamps whisperer thingy? I don't care, I think a townie will disclose info when he feels it will benefit town. And mafia will disclose when they feel it benefits them. Not worth discussing imo. I feel like talking about this is an easy subject to feign being pro town/
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Feel free to vote for me as mayor. There are lots of reasons why I'm a good choice: - I will lynch my scum read, which historically has a higher likelihood than the town collective choice of hitting mafia - I will identify people who are good and town and will listen to them, I'm not married to my reads and I'm willing to concede when people I trust are convincing - My reads will get more accurate as the game goes along, so keeping me alive is good e.v. - I have been historically easy to identify and lynch as mafia
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I currently think rayn is town and he would be a good choice for mayor as well. However, rayn is much better scum than me. Also marv which I lean null atm has masoned me and wants to to get behind rayn. Which there is a fair town motivation to do, but also gives rise to some conspiracies in my head. Thus I think I'm the better, safer choice.
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@mz It's more of a hunch and a feeling than any actual posts triggering alarm bells. That being said, it has been pointed out to me that his town meta has been known to cause this sort of suspicion, so I'll need to read up on it at some point.
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Ah, both JSL and iamp have pointed out some dmb post as being scummy. Not sure if jsl read last game or previous dmb meta, but iamp I know has read it.
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@rayn I'm chatting a bit with marv and I'm curious about how you came to town read him. We've chatted a bit post game and I remember you being skeptical of reads being made through private chats.
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On March 05 2024 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:52 sandroba wrote: @rayn I'm chatting a bit with marv and I'm curious about how you came to town read him. We've chatted a bit post game and I remember you being skeptical of reads being made through private chats. he gave pretty much the same "reads list" at some point in our chat that i had at the time. before i said anything about my reads. Based on what you told me before I'm having difficulty accepting you built trust with marv only based on that being shared privately.
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On March 05 2024 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: sandroba do you think mafia marv would mason you, or anyone? possibly, if he had some agenda
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On March 05 2024 02:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:07 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: sandroba do you think mafia marv would mason you, or anyone? possibly, if he had some agenda Is he pushing some agenda? Aside from what i told him to push towards you? Besides that no, but from my vantage point, I'm still trying to decide how unlikely this is to be mafia agenda
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On March 05 2024 02:13 Vivax wrote: I have been thinking a bit about it and believe that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of me claiming Jailkeeper on D1.
That‘s basically the only reason I want to be mayor.
I think that with half the day over we‘re far enough in the phase to have gathered who else was keen on the mayor spot without having the role to justify it. Vivax, especially after this claim I really think you are town. However, you have likely rendered the role useless. Basically, making you mayor is prob guaranteeing a town mayor but not much else.
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On March 05 2024 02:39 marvellosity wrote: Vivax is town but I don’t trust his lynch target if he gets elected.
Slam there is no point doing anything with. Let mafia deal with him and if he’s alive in X days revisit it. Vivax is prob role-blocked and killed however now if not elected. If elected we are probably tying up a possible rb on him forever. Either way we lost one protective role for town, but now we have to think about how to minimize the damage or make the best situation out of it.
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On March 05 2024 02:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oatsmaster - probs town DarthPunk - townish Vivax - town sandroba - town Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game marvellosity - town Jealous - not posted Meapak_Ziphh - townish Palmar - not posted justanothertownie - not posted die_meatbaby - town CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps? JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him Hapahauli - not posted Iamperfection - town Koshi - meh, useless ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish VisceraEyes - scummy, useless Rels - useless Alakaslam - town Hard to argue coming around to marv maybe. iamp still not convinced. We have to find someone to push though, because as it stands it's very easy for mafia to hide and appear townie.
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By process of elimination koshi, ve, jsl have given me the fewest or none reasons to find them townie so far.
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Not useless, but less useful than a jk. Either way, no use dwelling if it was a good play or not, there is no going back in time. I haven't ruled out voting vivax for mayor.
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Last game I read koshi's post and got townie vibes d1 pretty soon. Not so in this game. The aim of his posts doesn't feel pro town here. Hmmmm
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Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
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On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote: Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him okay iamp moved to town
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On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons. still scummy
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On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote: Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? I like that this is what caught Rels attention
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On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote: So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote: So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3 hmm i like your use of retardation
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On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:koshi posting still usless. Why is he town? fair point by dmb tbh
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On March 05 2024 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: If there is anything i learned from the MS game, it's that lynch people who post bullshit. DMB is mafia. probably not rayn. People go by memory and feeling, I don't think her sentiment is fake there.
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On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote: Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum Why are you fighting this so much? Do you have a better vote?
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On March 05 2024 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:03 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: If there is anything i learned from the MS game, it's that lynch people who post bullshit. DMB is mafia. probably not rayn. People go by memory and feeling, I don't think her sentiment is fake there. I can understand the sentiment. I can't understand that she somehow thinks "Vivax would claim because his townread is getting mayored (but it's not really still his town meta)". I mean, can you read the whole string of posts she made and tell me if i am just reading something wrong because that shit doesn't make any sense at all. I might be over-charitable, but I think prob she has a gut feeling vivax would always be town in that situation and did post hoc rationalization. I also think other posts she make she is commenting on relevant stuff which is different from her self centric posts she made last game
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On March 05 2024 05:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:09 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote: Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum Why are you fighting this so much? Do you have a better vote? 1. You call it fighting, I don't, it's called discussing. I don't have a townread on VE. I want to understand what he did that is considered scummy because I don't see it 2. And yeah, mine. I think ToTheStars has the highest chance of flipping scum if the deadline was right now The thing is TTS has some stuff one could point out comes from a townie perspective in his posts. VE has none of that. So it's pretty obvious why one would vote VE, I don't see the reason for this scrutiny instead of letting VE come and say something about it. I would understand if you had seen something on VE's posts that you read townie, but that obviously isn't the case and there isn't anything.
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On March 05 2024 05:53 Koshi wrote: So I am on page 36 and I am going to call marv mafia. and I am calling sandroba & rayn dummies for pushing the marv is town shit into this thread with literally nothing to back it up.
Fuck your shit.
town!marv is very capable to play this game and get mayor. He would be a good mayor and this game could be easy and fun.
The shit you 3 are doing is horrible and against town wincon. I also play against town wincon on purpose in previous games and marv was the one complaining and saying I shouldn't do it.
Well he is doing just that.
Now what mafia!marv would do this is an entire other story. And a very believable one.
I also dislike sandroba. I probably like rayn but not enough to say he is for sure not mafia. But ok. I can work with him most likely. Not sure why you are bunching me up with rayn calling marv town. I'm keeping an open mind. He has been townie in the mason chat but the lack of thread presence is worrying. Your commentary is less sharp than usual. Not sure I follow the outburst here, what exactly have we been doing that is anti-town? I also don't like it you are framing as we are acting a group.
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On March 05 2024 06:09 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:08 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 05:53 Koshi wrote: So I am on page 36 and I am going to call marv mafia. and I am calling sandroba & rayn dummies for pushing the marv is town shit into this thread with literally nothing to back it up.
Fuck your shit.
town!marv is very capable to play this game and get mayor. He would be a good mayor and this game could be easy and fun.
The shit you 3 are doing is horrible and against town wincon. I also play against town wincon on purpose in previous games and marv was the one complaining and saying I shouldn't do it.
Well he is doing just that.
Now what mafia!marv would do this is an entire other story. And a very believable one.
I also dislike sandroba. I probably like rayn but not enough to say he is for sure not mafia. But ok. I can work with him most likely. Not sure why you are bunching me up with rayn calling marv town. I'm keeping an open mind. He has been townie in the mason chat but the lack of thread presence is worrying. Your commentary is less sharp than usual. Not sure I follow the outburst here, what exactly have we been doing that is anti-town? I also don't like it you are framing as we are acting a group. That’s how it looked to me as well fwiw Sandro shouldn’t you be asking me some questions or something if I am a question mark for you? I don't think that will help, you post more than enough without me asking you anything. I have a leaning on you already and I'm not interested in lynching you today, so I will aim my efforts elsewhere.
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On March 05 2024 06:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm surprised marv isn't laughing at sand in the mason chat about his vote on me.
God I wish I could summon gifs on a whim. He did say to wait a bit on you as he is good at reading you.
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On March 05 2024 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:17 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm surprised marv isn't laughing at sand in the mason chat about his vote on me.
God I wish I could summon gifs on a whim. He did say to wait a bit on you as he is good at reading you. That also makes your vote misplaced. You know better. I don't. You got plenty of time though
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On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. That can't be your honest opinion
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I mean I can see you not confident rayn is town, being maybe null on trfel and leaning scum on marv. But pushing to lynch into these 3 now is just ridiculous as town, you are sowing doubt and with no actual town goal. I'm pretty convinced koshi is scum
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On March 05 2024 06:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure if town Koshi can think i am mafia with marv. I can. I thought for a second that marv blueclaimed to you. So that would/could cement him town. But then you would both go after Vivax harder because it just makes sense he is less likely town then. Maybe not, maybe yes. Still you both believed Vivax so unconditionally I disregard the blue claim. This marv I have been reading last 2-3 games is not capable to convince the thread he is town. Yet he was able to convince you he is town? What a joke. You are either mafia with him, or really fucking bad rayn. Really fucking bad. You are really bad for letting this happen, but really fucking bad for letting this happen and protect marv like this. So yeah. I can think that. Also. I really hope he is mafia and you are town. I really hope that. So much.
Hmm this kinda makes some sense now as this is where my head went for a bit. Maybe koshi isn't auto scum for posting that lynch list, but still very eager and not very level headed, which I have come to expect from town koshi
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On March 05 2024 08:23 Koshi wrote: Also. In my opinion mafia knows TownMayor!Vivax is a bad thing for them. They also believe the claim and they want to just shoot him N1.
I believe they are ok with him being ridiculed. I believe they prefer anybody else being mayor. They are content with his situation as it is. Not on track to be mayor and not taking seriously.
For some reason I can see Rels being mafia and being the exception. I don't know why. Maybe because he is pushing TTS wrongly and wants to also be right about something as mafia. I can't explain it. This might very well be the first good scum read you had koshi
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On March 05 2024 10:00 Palmar wrote: I haven’t even found Vivax claim yet but anyone who believes he is town should probably just vote him mayor. I don’t really see much logic in anything else. Not saying there is necessarily something wrong with the logic, but this is uncharacteristically weak shit from palmar
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I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
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On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
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On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances.
My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts.
JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi.
On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn?
The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia.
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I missed palmar last burst while posting, jat overtook his spot as most scummy by a long shot. I'm actually pretty fucking confident JAT is mafia.
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On March 05 2024 23:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:55 justanothertownie wrote: But I agree that Oats should not be the lynch today. If I do JAT it's because he's doing the same thing I scumread Trfel at the time, which is to blanket townread Oats who is a lot more capable at this game than what he's doing now. At least Trfel explained it. In a very floofy and conf biasy way, but he explained it. I don't know why cop and sandro want Trfel shielded so hard though. He has also not posted for a long time. Because Trfel is possibly the best analyst if town. And the posts he does have don't make me think he is mafia, actually the opposite. So pretty much a very bad idea to lynch him just because he isn't as active as we would like when we have so many other options. We can reassess d2.
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On March 05 2024 23:51 Koshi wrote: Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot. I like it
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On March 05 2024 23:53 Hapahauli wrote: Would appreciate being shot, I just don't think I have it in me to play. Can you ask for a replacement instead of harming your team?
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On March 06 2024 00:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:11 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote: Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy Don’t make me regret my mayor vote please. You won't the kill is pointed at Hapa. I purely would want to leave Palmar alive for the fun value, but we need a viable counterwagon anyway, and there's nothing that says we shouldn't kill TTS, he has even posted less than Hapa. We can maybe leave hapa to be modkilled and kill another lurker who is trying to avoid being modkilled? TTS fits the bill, I guess we can take another look when it's close to deadline.
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Hey JAT what's your take on the game? Where is the mafia? If you had your wish and Koshi got elected, who should he lynch?
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On March 06 2024 02:32 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 02:30 sandroba wrote: Hey JAT what's your take on the game? Where is the mafia? If you had your wish and Koshi got elected, who should he lynch? In addition to Palmar you mean? Assuming palmar gets normal lynched
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Curious about the MZ and JS reads as the other bunch is inactive/slam. Can you tell me why they made it to the list?
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I had an early town read on dmb, but she has then turned into more of a single threaded bot that only pops in to talk about the vivax claim. Not seeing as many unprompted inputs from her as I would expect from her as town.
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I'm still conflicted between jat and palmar. Mostly I've been lurking to see how the late voters will behave in the hopes of gathering more data points to make a better decision.
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What's your take on dmb vivax?
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I dunno Palmar feels very off after digesting for a bit. It's not normal that he buddies up to me so quickly, even if he agrees with my takes. If I had been insanely active I could see it, but here it seems he is trying to pocket me. He even exaggerates the fact that I backed off of him and started acting like I suddenly see him as town. The tone he entered the thread in general feels very different as well. It looks more like d4 reasonable palmar after raport has been built and he has a stronger grasp of people's possible alignment than d1 palmar who is more skeptical and has some plan.
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On March 06 2024 05:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. Is that still all you have on me, sandro? I think I explained all I have done here more than sufficiently. Unlike you, I think the mayor vote is quite important. I post the same thing to you as I did to Rayn - what am I supposed to do about it at this point? The post you quote is not disinterested or complacent. It is rather resignating/annoyed. Of course I do not have very good reasoning for Vivax being mafia - I never even called him mafia in the first place. I just don't agree that the claim makes him confirmed town or even more likely town than Koshi. I think that your characterization does not fit my play at all. That's all I have, I've been looking at a couple of mafia games from you and the style seems similar. Compared to the town game I saw you had more pointed questions and relevant commentary. Granted all I found were old games and I confess the posting style between mafia and town is pretty similar. I think the sharpness of the content is the biggest difference and that is mostly subjective. I also confess that I like your posts more since after I called you out, but that doesn't mean you aren't mafia. What I'm dwelling on is would you as mafia make such low-effort replies when asked to explain your reads or would you be trying to come up with something more well thought out? I think the average mafia would tend towards the latter.
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Gotta delurk for now, will be back in a few hours
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On March 06 2024 10:31 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:26 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:03 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 10:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:16 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 20:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m running for mayor Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote: [quote]
Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either?Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly Out of all the posts in the past like 12 hours DMB chooses this one to respond to, fence sits and doesn’t apply any of the bolded section to her list post earlier so where does that thinking even come out? Normaly i have day off, but somebody is sick and I had to come in fast. Didn't have much time to read. Btw list Was requested by rels. No answer from him atm So what have you learned from the bolded section? I have already used a translator 3 times, which means I have learnt 3 new words in English But for real I think the lynch is goeing in a wrong direction so what are you going to do? I don´t know, but I will not vote for Trfl right now. I don´t see any majorly scum shit at his filter. He plays like in the last game and he was actually doeing amzing as Town last game. So I would not like to loss him if he is Town. Actually I would like to vote on DP because he seems more scummy for me in this game, but that would be a usless vote... Vote: Justanothertownie so trfel played amazing last game. Show me the amazing posts this game To be fair the amazing started happening d2 onwards. I'm not going to defend him any more than what already have since he hasn't done anything. Just gonna say that I would expect a better justification from mafia if they are just going to fuck off like that. I don't feel amazingly confident about the jat lynch, but I'm not seeing anything enough better that is worth trying to move the lynch.
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I think oats is right on dmb btw. Wouldn't mind lynching her either. She is giving me the same vibes as last game.
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On March 06 2024 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:50 sandroba wrote: I think oats is right on dmb btw. Wouldn't mind lynching her either. She is giving me the same vibes as last game. I want to see the slip first. I didn't see any slip either, just think she is probably mafia.
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On March 06 2024 10:53 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:52 sandroba wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 sandroba wrote: I think oats is right on dmb btw. Wouldn't mind lynching her either. She is giving me the same vibes as last game. I want to see the slip first. I didn't see any slip either, just think she is probably mafia. More than Jat? your case on jat was good imo. Not sure. Case is good, but I liked his posts more after it. So I'm waffling because I have to decide if it's more likely town jat does the posts before my case of mafia jat does the posts after my case.
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On March 06 2024 11:02 Vivax wrote: You will go back to this game and wonder how I caught Trfel so easily when your moms were still pregnant with you.
The busts of my visage will be available duty free. comeon vivax, give me a good read on dmb. Is she like this as town? Cuz I'm seeing lots of dejavu here
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On March 06 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip word nr.4 today. Thank you love to improve my english Maybe just tired and annoyed about stupid people here. Either wagons are not a good D1 lynch Like is this for real? Annoyed at stupid people when she does not have a better lynch and isn't even saying she is confident the wagons are town?
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To me the biggest tell on dmb last game was incongruent demonstrations of feelings and I'm seeing the same thing.
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more like hero oats keeps it simple and gets scum lynched
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On March 06 2024 11:13 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:11 sandroba wrote: To me the biggest tell on dmb last game was incongruent demonstrations of feelings and I'm seeing the same thing. I have that shit in every game if it makes you happier go on my profile there is a link to all 4 games What do you mean? How can you have incongruent feelings as town?
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That ninja trfel vote doesn't look good. Somehow time to play was found.
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On March 06 2024 11:25 Trfel wrote: Yeah sorry, been dealing with some mental health issues, combined with being horrendous on day 1, has made it hard to find mafia or be very effective.
I think raynpelikoneet's play was very solid early on, he feels much more genuine than last game. It feels like he really cares about what he's doing. So I think he is town, same with marvellosity and sandroba by association. I would be very hesitant about suspecting these three. Kinda think DarthPunk is town as well, but I could be wrong.
I don't have any great scumreads unfortunately, or I would have shared them. I still don't like the way iamperfection was playing but I have vague memories of that just being his playstyle so I could be wrong.
Not sure what Vivax is doing with his "reasons" to suspect me. There are reasons I could be mafia, he managed to not find them but is very passionate about it anyway. I don't know if that means anything though. Okay I hate this post
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Didn't mean to be rude, sorry about mental issues
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On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote: Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this. What do you think about the post I quoted?
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On March 06 2024 11:37 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote: Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this. I called dp mafia... I was to lazy to quote and stuff and two sentences wasn´t enough for oats and Dp. I am not happy with both wagons (both pushed by dp) and I still voted one of the two wagons But I shouldn´t because not wasting my vote makes me scummy. and i my called people stupid that makes me more scummy Would like to hear from other people's perspectives but this really really REALLY does not sound like mafia. Look at Vivax/iamperfection, that's the best I have. I just told you to look at my perspective, not sure why you are not engaging with anything I said. Our reads were in sync last game, you have me as town (by association with rayn, which is an odd thing to say specially since I've defended you in thread so you should have stand alone reasons to read me town) yet I don't see you looking into things I pointed out. Maybe my reasoning is self-centric here, but why would you not look into the people I find sus if you are tight for time?
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On March 06 2024 11:08 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip word nr.4 today. Thank you love to improve my english Maybe just tired and annoyed about stupid people here. Either wagons are not a good D1 lynch Like is this for real? Annoyed at stupid people when she does not have a better lynch and isn't even saying she is confident the wagons are town? given the context that dmb doesn't think both wagons are townie and she finds d1 lynches to be always bad, do you think it is reasonable she is saying this?
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I mean both are good options at this point. Trfel is just too dissapointing
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I'm liking palmar more and more. His night posts read really genuine to me, maybe I'm a fool but I'm prob not going after palmar d2. Marv had some paranoind behavior in the qt which has fully convinced me he is town. I think these are the big question marks for people and I think they are both town.
By process of elimination here is what I'm at: Likely mafia: ve + rels - both didn't care one bit about the lynch imo Depending on TTS being mafia or town it leave us 2/3 mafia in this pile: mz, jsl, jat, cop, dmb, slam
This is where I'm at.
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Nah, I'm not seeing mafia Palmar, he is making too much sense. I think mafia Palmar would be more agenda driven at this point and backing some of the bad interpretations being proposed. Instead he is aligning himself with people I think are town, reading the game in the correct way and improving the direction discussion is going. All pro town things, doesn't make sense to go after him at this point.
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On March 06 2024 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: sandroba, if Vivax is mafia this game, then marv is also mafia. sure. They are both insane if they are mafia this game though
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On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote: And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
I am GOOD SCUM, I do not make MISTAKES like that, I always try to save my scumates, remember how pissed I got at GB once?
Do you remember how I fuck up hard for trying to save rels when we were mafia together? I convinced HF not to lynch Rels.
You can absolutely acuse me of being ilogical but NEVER of bussing my teams just because.
And this, at least, vivax and marv needs to agree.
And rels.
And GB.
And anyone who has been mafia with me.
Scummy defense tbh, hinges on the premise of palmar is mafia. I've seen mafia due this many times, claiming the team you have them on can't be right because of x y z.
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On March 07 2024 00:27 iamperfection wrote: I wanna workshop something. I felt like jealous posting was very clean and non confrontational. Very clean for someone who had a ton to catch up to too. I was momentarily under that impression, but then I looked into his list post and the sheer amount of work that was put into it including the spoilers. He has to be town
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On March 07 2024 04:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 04:46 Jealous wrote: I get that you guys know each other, but could we maybe not shit up two pages with out-of-game devolutions to Alakaslam-tier posting? Makes it tougher for others to catch up and makes their eyes glaze over when reading, which is how I missed the Alakaslam cop claim in the first place. I'm sure you guys are all friends on Discord and are probably in the same channel somewhere or something. Worse we mason up and watch anime tiddies together Sounds like you are jealous.
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Woops I had to ruin it by quoting the wrong post
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So this last post from JSL saying absolutely nothing of value about anything, has prompted me to filter dive. What I found is that JSL has not taken a single bold stance on anyone when trying to find suspicious behaviour. In the few instances where some suspicion is cast, it's always giving people outs in a very non confrontational way, basically avoiding taking any hard stances. A glaring example, amongst many, is this list post:
On March 05 2024 17:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 17:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 15:32 JacobStrangelove wrote: Also I am a sucker for a good list post. You should make one then 😛 I should but I'm too tired after work while sick to actually go filter diving and my partner is saying "I must give them attention" so I'll just vibe post it. 1) raynpelikoneet Town although has gone quiet after the whole Vivax vs him as Mayor thing could be sleeping. 2) Oatsmaster I thought he was fixated on dumb early but I didn't think much of it. I thought it would be unusual given my reputation to attack me early if he was Mafia. Not that I'm good early but I've been pretty attack dog high volume doesn't die poster. 3) DarthPunk DP has cast a spell on me and I have turned into his little sheep dog no questions, this said he sounds super reasonable and even if he was mafia he would still be making the "right town plays" in terms of decision making so I'm not worried. 4) Vivax Super town now, I haven't pinned Vivax as the one to make the hero play (as mafia) 5) sandroba Seems reasonable and logical tbh 6) Trfel As above with sand however as pointed out by others meta is different and has kinda slipped away quietly for a while. 7) marvellosity I said this before in my other posts I can't read marv early and is backed by two masons right now. 8) Jealous Dislike inactive 9) Meapak_Ziphh get the same vibes as koshi where it's sort of been a whirlwind of activity around them I can't actually place once the dust settles 10) Palmar Yet to see any legendary behaviour 11) justanothertownie Just another lurker 12) die_meatbaby I like dmb just the vibe is right from last game when they were town. 13) CopCake Like the "Cheating" stuff is kinda townish but I did get the impression that at least someone is being supicious of vivax because "it's what town would do" not because they actually are. I guess my strongest mafia read based on evidence while having that nagging feeling of being wrong. 14) JacobStrangelove Seems like your standard chug along until day 3 town player where things become more clear. 15) Hapahauli Hapabout a post 16) Iamperfection I didn't like iamp's style until his list post then it redeemed him a bit. 17) Koshi See Meapak, only addition is they didn't jump on my bait but also last time they did as mafia did not go well. (although that was potentially unrelated) 18) ToTheStars Possibly understandably overwhelmed by the filter but I almost can't blame them but at the same time as a policy/Mayor hit feel fine with it. 19) VisceraEyes Similar to my weird stance on DP this game have almost decided to policy not lynch VE 20) Rels Hasn't raised suspicions 21) Alakaslam A less chaotic chaos player (out of the chezuinu and other style players) don't have a read just gonna null for now. Maybe slightly town. Yeah I guess in hindsight I don't have many mafia reads early. After a hit rate of 0 until late game every game though I have decided to be less aggressive. I tend to like to find who's most town then from then who's least coherently town to find the mafia rather than finding the suspicious behaviour outright as I keep jumping on shadows.
Even his highest suspicion has a caveat of a "nagging feeling of being wrong".
He pre-empts any case and posts a case on himself:
On March 05 2024 18:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Don't worry I'll filter myself. The case on JSL Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. This is extremely sus. Jacob has never been known to put his ego aside and risk losing to either DP or TTT. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:13 JacobStrangelove wrote: Trfel is mafia doesn't know it's his birthday, very sus.... implies he lied when joining. :p Fluff posting Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. 0/10 you didn‘t write fanfic where DP sodomized himself This will come at some point no doubt.... on a side note will probably vote for mayor someone I've played with before just because I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I don't know. (I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I know either tbh but ya know...) Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote: @oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. Wishy washy has no faith in himself to come up with reads. Setting up to be non committal day 1 Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Ahh shit this makes so much more sense when it's read as second in votes for lynch not second in votes for Mayor... I thought this was like some 5d chess bait post hence the fisherman comment. Intentionally misreads Meapak to drum up activity Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote: This said if you make me Mayor I WILL vote for the second in Mayor votes just because that seems very funny. More Fluff and not funny Town JSL is funny. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote: @oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game Hey at least I'm reading your posts. What are your thoughts so far? I think I'm running into the same thing I run into every game where my highly flowing style is being taken (and I mean this with no offence) slightly autistically but I'm not worried about it yet because I don't think mafia is stupid enough to fight me early. Implies mafia won’t attack him early to discourage town for attacking him early. Ahh wait that’s technically hmm that doesn’t work actually Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:50 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:42 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote: [quote]I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Exactly. Dumb post from MZ. Mafia dumb or dumb dumb? Not sure, its a whole lot of words about not much at all. I certainly don't want him to be mayor, any rate. Both mayoral candidates have been underwhelming thus far Wait you've forgotten about me! Also MZ sure trusting no one person but if it's like 16 /5 and you trust yourself it's now 15/5 is that better odds than day one second town lynch? Actually probably not and it at least gets someone town doesn't like gone but in your own words defend yourself! I wrote it and I’m not even sure what this shit was about. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:00 JacobStrangelove wrote: Well as someone who also didn't know how the game worked (mayor election/voting for mayor) I didn't talk about the stuff I didn't know about until I went back and read the op and it was brought up and I am a classic case of just ask so I think there is some credence to being sceptical of a precice player just going disco and throwing questions when there are answers if you look into the thread.
After all this never really pressured oats master very much. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:16 JacobStrangelove wrote: OMG JSL Trfel and I am perf must be scum team they all decided to say the same thing at the same time. Omg even says he’s part of the scum team must be mafia. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:24 JacobStrangelove wrote: yeah DMB's big post did seem kinda odd. I don't know why yet though. Just didn't seem like them. Then again it didn't seem like mafia or town them so I'm not sure what that means yet. Says this but then flip flips on DMB later Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 22:14 JacobStrangelove wrote: oh also going to vote Koshi just because will explain later when I wake up. Pushes random lynches seeing what will stick. Okay tbh I kinda petered out at this point.
Now some people found this to be a a town tell, and upon superficial analysis this might seem correct. Townies are in general more bold and impulsive than mafia. But in this case there is no town motivation for making such a post, and there is plenty of mafia motivation: it is disarming, it generates some wifom, it can be seen as "too scummy to be scum".
It's very bold at the very least, but this boldness is not seen from JSL in any town motivated actions such as calling people suspicious or changing tracks completely all of a sudden. JSL has done nothing but fill up space in the thread, posting a lot of fluff, lots of commentary leading nowhere and lost of non confrontational stances.
There is only boldness in mafia oriented behaviour, which is why JSL is mafia.
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On March 07 2024 09:00 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:52 sandroba wrote:So this last post from JSL saying absolutely nothing of value about anything, has prompted me to filter dive. What I found is that JSL has not taken a single bold stance on anyone when trying to find suspicious behaviour. In the few instances where some suspicion is cast, it's always giving people outs in a very non confrontational way, basically avoiding taking any hard stances. A glaring example, amongst many, is this list post: On March 05 2024 17:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 17:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 15:32 JacobStrangelove wrote: Also I am a sucker for a good list post. You should make one then 😛 I should but I'm too tired after work while sick to actually go filter diving and my partner is saying "I must give them attention" so I'll just vibe post it. 1) raynpelikoneet Town although has gone quiet after the whole Vivax vs him as Mayor thing could be sleeping. 2) Oatsmaster I thought he was fixated on dumb early but I didn't think much of it. I thought it would be unusual given my reputation to attack me early if he was Mafia. Not that I'm good early but I've been pretty attack dog high volume doesn't die poster. 3) DarthPunk DP has cast a spell on me and I have turned into his little sheep dog no questions, this said he sounds super reasonable and even if he was mafia he would still be making the "right town plays" in terms of decision making so I'm not worried. 4) Vivax Super town now, I haven't pinned Vivax as the one to make the hero play (as mafia) 5) sandroba Seems reasonable and logical tbh 6) Trfel As above with sand however as pointed out by others meta is different and has kinda slipped away quietly for a while. 7) marvellosity I said this before in my other posts I can't read marv early and is backed by two masons right now. 8) Jealous Dislike inactive 9) Meapak_Ziphh get the same vibes as koshi where it's sort of been a whirlwind of activity around them I can't actually place once the dust settles 10) Palmar Yet to see any legendary behaviour 11) justanothertownie Just another lurker 12) die_meatbaby I like dmb just the vibe is right from last game when they were town. 13) CopCake Like the "Cheating" stuff is kinda townish but I did get the impression that at least someone is being supicious of vivax because "it's what town would do" not because they actually are. I guess my strongest mafia read based on evidence while having that nagging feeling of being wrong. 14) JacobStrangelove Seems like your standard chug along until day 3 town player where things become more clear. 15) Hapahauli Hapabout a post 16) Iamperfection I didn't like iamp's style until his list post then it redeemed him a bit. 17) Koshi See Meapak, only addition is they didn't jump on my bait but also last time they did as mafia did not go well. (although that was potentially unrelated) 18) ToTheStars Possibly understandably overwhelmed by the filter but I almost can't blame them but at the same time as a policy/Mayor hit feel fine with it. 19) VisceraEyes Similar to my weird stance on DP this game have almost decided to policy not lynch VE 20) Rels Hasn't raised suspicions 21) Alakaslam A less chaotic chaos player (out of the chezuinu and other style players) don't have a read just gonna null for now. Maybe slightly town. Yeah I guess in hindsight I don't have many mafia reads early. After a hit rate of 0 until late game every game though I have decided to be less aggressive. I tend to like to find who's most town then from then who's least coherently town to find the mafia rather than finding the suspicious behaviour outright as I keep jumping on shadows. Even his highest suspicion has a caveat of a "nagging feeling of being wrong". He pre-empts any case and posts a case on himself: On March 05 2024 18:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Don't worry I'll filter myself. The case on JSL On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. This is extremely sus. Jacob has never been known to put his ego aside and risk losing to either DP or TTT. On March 04 2024 12:13 JacobStrangelove wrote: Trfel is mafia doesn't know it's his birthday, very sus.... implies he lied when joining. :p Fluff posting On March 04 2024 12:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. 0/10 you didn‘t write fanfic where DP sodomized himself This will come at some point no doubt.... on a side note will probably vote for mayor someone I've played with before just because I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I don't know. (I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I know either tbh but ya know...) On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote: @oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. Wishy washy has no faith in himself to come up with reads. Setting up to be non committal day 1 On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Ahh shit this makes so much more sense when it's read as second in votes for lynch not second in votes for Mayor... I thought this was like some 5d chess bait post hence the fisherman comment. Intentionally misreads Meapak to drum up activity On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote: This said if you make me Mayor I WILL vote for the second in Mayor votes just because that seems very funny. More Fluff and not funny Town JSL is funny. On March 04 2024 12:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote: @oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game Hey at least I'm reading your posts. What are your thoughts so far? I think I'm running into the same thing I run into every game where my highly flowing style is being taken (and I mean this with no offence) slightly autistically but I'm not worried about it yet because I don't think mafia is stupid enough to fight me early. Implies mafia won’t attack him early to discourage town for attacking him early. Ahh wait that’s technically hmm that doesn’t work actually On March 04 2024 12:50 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:42 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote: [quote]You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Exactly. Dumb post from MZ. Mafia dumb or dumb dumb? Not sure, its a whole lot of words about not much at all. I certainly don't want him to be mayor, any rate. Both mayoral candidates have been underwhelming thus far Wait you've forgotten about me! Also MZ sure trusting no one person but if it's like 16 /5 and you trust yourself it's now 15/5 is that better odds than day one second town lynch? Actually probably not and it at least gets someone town doesn't like gone but in your own words defend yourself! I wrote it and I’m not even sure what this shit was about. On March 04 2024 13:00 JacobStrangelove wrote: Well as someone who also didn't know how the game worked (mayor election/voting for mayor) I didn't talk about the stuff I didn't know about until I went back and read the op and it was brought up and I am a classic case of just ask so I think there is some credence to being sceptical of a precice player just going disco and throwing questions when there are answers if you look into the thread.
After all this never really pressured oats master very much. On March 04 2024 13:16 JacobStrangelove wrote: OMG JSL Trfel and I am perf must be scum team they all decided to say the same thing at the same time. Omg even says he’s part of the scum team must be mafia. On March 04 2024 13:24 JacobStrangelove wrote: yeah DMB's big post did seem kinda odd. I don't know why yet though. Just didn't seem like them. Then again it didn't seem like mafia or town them so I'm not sure what that means yet. Says this but then flip flips on DMB later On March 04 2024 22:14 JacobStrangelove wrote: oh also going to vote Koshi just because will explain later when I wake up. Pushes random lynches seeing what will stick. Okay tbh I kinda petered out at this point. Now some people found this to be a a town tell, and upon superficial analysis this might seem correct. Townies are in general more bold and impulsive than mafia. But in this case there is no town motivation for making such a post, and there is plenty of mafia motivation: it is disarming, it generates some wifom, it can be seen as "too scummy to be scum". It's very bold at the very least, but this boldness is not seen from JSL in any town motivated actions such as calling people suspicious or changing tracks completely all of a sudden. JSL has done nothing but fill up space in the thread, posting a lot of fluff, lots of commentary leading nowhere and lost of non confrontational stances. There is only boldness in mafia oriented behaviour, which is why JSL is mafia. Do you think that JSL would filter dive Koshi and then make that whole big post about a scumslip and subsequent case as mafia? Yes, the content of that post is very underwhelming. There is a lot of pointless commentary and the main callout is of a scum slip which is semantics and a widely used way of phrasing things even when you don't know the alignment of the person in quesiton. So yeah, looks like a low effort mafia post pretending to be high effort.
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This was definitely the best-performing mafia team in any game I've played or read. Huge props and thank you for making the game very interesting and fun. I look forward to playing again with this crew and trying to adapt to this level of play.
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